Post-Game Talk: PS #6 - 09/27/18 | RANGERS @ flyers | 7:00 - MSG, NHLN

[Machinehead]

You can be as upset as you want. But then I'm not inviting you to my birthday party.

Well that pretty much what it comes down to.

"You can be upset but I don't wanna be upset so I'm going to disregard you."

I think the lack of constructive discussion on here goes both ways. I said it the other night, any opinion that isn't 1000% pro-Rangers is hung from the gallows.

 

[Edge]

I'm being as nice as I can the past few posts, but I still can't get a straight answer.

When am I allowed to be upset with the team?

Alright, let me put on my parent hat here.

You can be upset whenever you want. Just so long as you understand that people are going to tune you out when it’s all the time. It becomes the boy who cried wolf.

Being upset and complaining also tends to generate less agreement when it goes over the top to emphasize a point.

You can say whatever you want. So long as you realize that how you say it is going to go a long way toward how it’s heard and what kind of impact it has.

You’re entitled to your opinions, but that doesn’t make them facts. Nor does it make anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly agree with you naive, or stupid, or any other adjective you want to use to try to diminish their opinion.

 

[Machinehead]

Alright, let me put on my parent hat here.

You can be upset whenever you want. Just so long as you understand that people are going to tune you out when it’s all the time. It becomes the boy who cried wolf.

Being upset and complaining also tends to generate less agreement when it goes over the top to emphasize a point.

You can say whatever you want. So long as you realize that how you say it is going to go a long way toward how it’s heard and what kind of impact it has.

You’re entitled to your opinions, but that doesn’t make them facts. Nor does it make anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly agree with you naive, or stupid, or any other adjective you want to use to try to diminish their opinion.

So again, I'm allowed to say whatever I want, but if it's not what you want to hear, you'll tune it out. Got it.

Again, two-way street.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Everything he does or doesn't is under a glaring microscope on these boards.

Watching some of the reactions is like watching a white knuckle flyer react to every sound, dip, or sway during a flight.

Stewardess! Do you see this? Andersson was sent to the minors ?!?

 

[Crease]

Well that pretty much what it comes down to.

"You can be upset but I don't wanna be upset so I'm going to disregard you."

I think the lack of constructive discussion on here goes both ways. I said it the other night, any opinion that isn't 1000% pro-Rangers is hung from the gallows.

You know, it's possible to have constructive discussion without sucking the fun out of the room. The team IS crap and they're probably going to finish bottom-five this year. Half the fun is articulating it in a way that makes it easier to digest. For example, at least we won't be subjected to Girardi fumbling the puck on the powerplay this year.

 

[Machinehead]

You know, it's possible to have constructive discussion without sucking the fun out of the room. The team IS crap and they're probably going to finish bottom-five this year. Half the fun is articulating it in a way that makes it easier to digest. For example, at least we won't be subjected to Girardi fumbling the puck on the powerplay this year.

You're not wrong.

I just feel that some posters (not you) won't allow me to have my opinion in a nice way. I'm not allowed to have my opinion, period, because it isn't their opinion.

I am very disappointed that it appears merit will not apply to McQuaid because he a tough player and vet. But at least we won't be subjected to Girardi fumbling the puck on the powerplay this year.

That's the most fun way I can say it.

 

[Edge]

So again, I'm allowed to say whatever I want, but if it's not what you want to hear, you'll tune it out. Got it.

Again, two-way street.

How in the world did you get that out of everything I just said?

Not WHAT.

HOW.

You keep running into problems because of HOW you say things, not WHAT you say.

And you somehow manage to keep doubling and tripling down on it, and running into conflict after conflict around here.

 

[Edge]

I’ve wonder if we’ve become spoiled by young players immediately becoming regulars and/or key players, e.g. Del Zotto, Staal, McDonagh, Stepan, Hayes, Skjei, maybe Kreider?

But we also tend to forget that those guys were typically a little older than some of the players we’re talking about, and in some cases played in the AHL before making the jump.

At 19, five of those guys were still in college.

 

[Machinehead]

How in the world did you get that out of everything I just said?

Not WHAT.

HOW.

You keep running into problems because of HOW you say things, not WHAT you say.

And you somehow manage to keep doubling and tripling down on it, and running into conflict after conflict around here.

How would you like me to say things?

I'm really trying to get answers here to make it better for all of us.

 

[Crease]

How would you like me to say things?

I'm really trying to get answers here to make it better for all of us.

There's no playbook, but I guess my general advice would be to try to find the humor in things. We have no control over the team and we're all in this shitstorm together.

 

[Machinehead]

There's no playbook, but I guess my general advice would be to try to find the humor in things. We have no control over the team and we're all in this ****storm together.

I'm just going to add that quip about Girardi onto everything negative.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

But we also tend to forget that those guys were typically a little older than some of the players we’re talking about, and in some cases played in the AHL before making the jump.

At 19, five of those guys were still in college.

It could be because we all know this season is going to be bad so people think “we should just play the kids” even if they’re ready for it or not

 

[Edge]

How would you like me to say things?

I'm really trying to get answers here to make it better for all of us.

Step one.

Stop calling people naive or taking other little shots.

Disagree with their opinion all you want.

Step two.

Stop embellishing points, or implying that you have a first hand knowledge of something to make your point.

Examples - A. Making assumptions about what players did or didn’t do behind the scenes, before you were in kindergarten (the Messier debate). Dislike the player all you want, but assumptions on the behind the scenes stuff is when you’re reaching.

B. Comparing 2018 to 2003 when those rosters have next to nothing in common. That example completely defeated the point you were trying to make.

You’re a smart guy, but you gotta channel your talents more constructively. Forget what it does for anyone else, it’ll go a long way toward helping you.

 

[Edge]

It could be because we all know this season is going to be bad so people think “we should just play the kids” even if they’re ready for it or not

Which isn’t inherently the best approach.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm being as nice as I can the past few posts, but I still can't get a straight answer.

When am I allowed to be upset with the team?

You have been upset with the team as long as I can remember. My question is when have you not been upset with this team?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Which isn’t inherently the best approach.

Selfishly, I get why, I’d like to not watch a bunch of guys not long for this team all season. But logically I’m all on board for it, I’m all for overcooking prospects

 

[Edge]

Selfishly, I get why, I’d like to not watch a bunch of guys not long for this team all season. But logically I’m all on board for it, I’m all for overcooking prospects

I totally get it myself.

Let’s be honest, we want to imagine every kid playing, every boring and fading vet sitting, and all of them hitting their highest potential, growing up together and giving us a nice, long window to win nearly as many cups in 10 years as we have in the previous 100.

 

[Machinehead]

Step one.

Stop calling people naive or taking other little shots.

Disagree with their opinion all you want.

That was only after shots were taken at me along the lines of "you just wanna bitch and complain" and other little subtweet comments I get (please say it to my face, it's extremely upsetting when you snicker about people to yourself and others right in front of them)

You did none of those things and I sincerely apologise for directing it at you.

I'll be mindful not to go on the attack, but I will defend myself.

Step two.

Stop embellishing points, or implying that you have a first hand knowledge of something to make your point.

Examples - A. Making assumptions about what players did or didn’t do behind the scenes, before you were in kindergarten (the Messier debate). Dislike the player all you want, but assumptions on the behind the scenes stuff is when you’re reaching.

B. Comparing 2018 to 2003 when those rosters have next to nothing in common. That example completely defeated the point you were trying to make.

You’re a smart guy, but you gotta channel your talents more constructively. Forget what it does for anyone else, it’ll go a long way toward helping you.

Fair enough

A. I'm not trying to make any assumptions, but based on my own observations of Gorton, McQuaid will get preferential treatment over ADA the entire year imo, which disappoints me.

I don't know enough about Quinn to say whether he'll put his foot down or whether he'll want to, so we'll see where it goes, but I'm not optimistic.

B. Again I don't want to make assumptions, but I feel the tone around here is that if not Gorton, then at least this rebuild, is a radical shift.

Again, just in my own observations, I'm not sure I see a shift in philosophy. While Gorton is here for now and I have to accept that, I would have preferred moving in an entirely new direction with a rebuild, including removing Sather from the presidency. I do understand why that is unlikely, but I can't pretend it doesn't bother me.

Is that better? I'm honestly asking because I think you're a good poster and I'm trying to value what you're saying. I can't change my opinions but I would like to deliver them better if that would be helpful.

I'm not asking you to debate me on those points right now, I just want to know if I did anything wrong in that post.

 

[Machinehead]

You have been upset with the team as long as I can remember. My question is when have you not been upset with this team?

My response to that would be, and I don't mean to be abrasive here, when have they ever consistently been a championship caliber team?

We came close from 12-15, but I always had the lingering feeling that we weren't quite good enough.

 

[Edge]

That was only after shots were taken at me along the lines of "you just wanna ***** and complain" and other little subtweet comments I get (please say it to my face, it's extremely upsetting when you snicker about people to yourself and others right in front of them)

You did none of those things and I sincerely apologise for directing it at you.

I'll be mindful not to go on the attack, but I will defend myself.



Fair enough

A. I'm not trying to make any assumptions, but based on my own observations of Gorton, McQuaid will get preferential treatment over ADA the entire year imo, which disappoints me.

I don't know enough about Quinn to say whether he'll put his foot down or whether he'll want to, so we'll see where it goes, but I'm not optimistic.

B. Again I don't want to make assumptions, but I feel the tone around here is that if not Gorton, then at least this rebuild, is a radical shift.

Again, just in my own observations, I'm not sure I see a shift in philosophy. While Gorton is here for now and I have to accept that, I would have preferred moving in an entirely new direction with a rebuild, including removing Sather from the presidency. I do understand why that is unlikely, but I can't pretend it doesn't bother me.

Is that better? I'm honestly asking because I think you're a good poster and I'm trying to value what you're saying. I can't change my opinions but I would like to deliver them better if that would be helpful.

I'm not asking you to debate me on those points right now, I just want to know if I did anything wrong in that post.

Yes. Very well said.

And make no mistake, I don’t want you to change your opinions just because they aren’t my own all the time. I get a lot of where you’re coming from, and in many cases I don’t disagree.

 

[Machinehead]

Yes. Very well said.

And make no mistake, I don’t want you to change your opinions just because they aren’t my own all the time. I get a lot of where you’re coming from, and in many cases I don’t disagree.

Hey, good talk, man.

 

[Thirty One]

My response to that would be, and I don't mean to be abrasive here, when have they ever consistently been a championship caliber team?

We came close from 12-15, but I always had the lingering feeling that we weren't quite good enough.

I want to believe their teams that were six wins or less from winning the Cup three years out of four were close, but oh shit, how do I reconcile that with Machinehead's lingering feelings?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

My response to that would be, and I don't mean to be abrasive here, when have they ever consistently been a championship caliber team?

We came close from 12-15, but I always had the lingering feeling that we weren't quite good enough.

They went to 3 conference finals in 4 years including a stanley cup final. They were never good enough to win it all but they were pretty damn good and better than most.

 

[Synergy27]

Teams that take a lead into the 3rd period usually get outshot. It's common sense. Teams that are down a goal or 2 tend to push more and spend more time in the offensive zone.

Simple enough to understand from my perspective.

 

[Hire Sather]

My response to that would be, and I don't mean to be abrasive here, when have they ever consistently been a championship caliber team?

We came close from 12-15, but I always had the lingering feeling that we weren't quite good enough.

I've had this debate with a couple people, I just cannot fathom not looking back on that run with anything other than great enjoyment.

Yeah, we didn't raise the cup but we won some really fun series and have a lot of good memories to look back in.

If you look back at that and think "Well, I knew we didn't have quite enough!" then come on, look at sports a little differently.