Value of: Provorov to the Leafs.

[FlyguyOX]

A blockbuster:

Nylander, Liljegren and Knies for Provorov and Konecny

Flyers don't want Nylander. May as well keep Konecny

 

[57special]

Absolutely not.

I’d much rather the Leafs target Dumba (maybe a $5M x 4 years gets it done?), who won’t cost anything other than cap space compared to Provorov who we will need to trade our 1st+ to land.

Sign Dumba, use that 1st to upgrade elsewhere.

Trading Knies would be insanity. The guy offers size, some scoring talent, and all at a bargain price

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Trading Knies would be insanity. The guy offers size, some scoring talent, and all at a bargain price

I agree. He’s probably the last piece I’d trade.

 

[Hockeypete49]

Leafs do not have the assets to land Provorov who would be a great fit there.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Leafs do not have the assets to land Provorov who would be a great fit there.

They absolutely do

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Leafs do not have the assets to land Provorov who would be a great fit there.

We talking Provorov or prime Fedorov?

 

[GCK]

I agree. He’s probably the last piece I’d trade.

He's pretty much the only valuable piece the leafs have if sending futures out other than Woll.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No 1st pick in 2019, 21, 22.
3 selections total in 21

some early picks were Euros who have yet to come over and-or never will

overall weak prospects group. Seems obvious to me.

3 selections total in 2021, one of those was Matthew Knies, who is looking like the real deal so they are fine there.

No 1st in 2022, doesn't really concern me 2 reasons for that.

1 if you look back at last years draft it was considered weak.

#2 Fraser Minten is trending in the right direction.

2019 I will give you because Robertson just can't stay healthy otherwise he'd probably be putting up 25 goals, he's got that talent he just can't stay healthy.

By Knies, Minten, and I will throw in Ty Voit too all look like they are going to make.

Then you have #28 in 2023 we'll see about that.

 

[JRichard]

3 selections total in 2021, one of those was Matthew Knies, who is looking like the real deal so they are fine there.

No 1st in 2022, doesn't really concern me 2 reasons for that.

1 if you look back at last years draft it was considered weak.

#2 Fraser Minten is trending in the right direction.

2019 I will give you because Robertson just can't stay healthy otherwise he'd probably be putting up 25 goals, he's got that talent he just can't stay healthy.

By Knies, Minten, and I will throw in Ty Voit too all look like they are going to make.

Then you have #28 in 2023 we'll see about that.

Knies, Minten and 5’9 150 Voit is my definition of a weak prospects group.
Not any different than other top regular season teams like Tampa and Boston.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

A blockbuster:

Nylander, Liljegren and Knies for Provorov and Konecny

Ewww we literally give up all the best pieces. That's putrid.

For prov best we can do is
28
Murray
Robertson and maybe toss in something else small in.

That's it that's all...

 

[biturbo19]

I think on the ice, Provorov would be a good fit for the Leafs blueline. He'd fit in as a guy who can give you a bit of offensive juice, but also plenty of defensive reliability...a real "two way D" who can contribute at both ends of the rink. It'd be a lot better if he was a natural RHD though. Seems to me that's what the Leafs are probably missing most. Brodie is obviously plenty comfortable playing his off side, arguably even better there. But having both your Top-4 RHD being LH Shots on their off side isn't really optimal.


Toronto also seems like a market where the whole pride thing might actually be a bit of a serious sticking point. When the Toronto fanbase turns against a player, it can get really intense, and i suspect Provorov would be walking into the situation there with one really big strike working against him before he even steps on the ice there. Provorov is also a guy who has seemed a little bit...sensitive, where his confidence seems to wax and wane with criticism and from year to year. Coming into a situation where the fans are just waiting to pounce on his on-ice play with criticism could go sour very quickly.



I'm kind of wondering if Treliving doesn't just bring in one of "his guys" from Calgary, bringing Chris Tanev home. Certainly wouldn't provide any real offensive gusto from the back end and the durability is always a questionmark with him, but he's a fantastically efficient puck mover, and would do wonders for stabilizing one of those top-4 D pairings with a rock solid steady, natural RHD. At a pricetag that's a bit more affordable. He also seems a bit better equipped to handle the microscope of a frenetic market like hockey-mad Toronto.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Ewww we literally give up all the best pieces. That's putrid.

For prov best we can do is
28
Murray
Robertson and maybe toss in something else small in.

That's it that's all...

No it's not

 

[Gaberd2608]

Nylander + Lilly + Brodie for Provorov and Konecny with some other fluff to balance things out if needed.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Nylander + Lilly + Brodie for Provorov and Konecny with some other fluff to balance things out if needed.

I wouldn’t do Konecny for nylander 1 for 1.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think on the ice, Provorov would be a good fit for the Leafs blueline. He'd fit in as a guy who can give you a bit of offensive juice, but also plenty of defensive reliability...a real "two way D" who can contribute at both ends of the rink. It'd be a lot better if he was a natural RHD though. Seems to me that's what the Leafs are probably missing most. Brodie is obviously plenty comfortable playing his off side, arguably even better there. But having both your Top-4 RHD being LH Shots on their off side isn't really optimal.


Toronto also seems like a market where the whole pride thing might actually be a bit of a serious sticking point. When the Toronto fanbase turns against a player, it can get really intense, and i suspect Provorov would be walking into the situation there with one really big strike working against him before he even steps on the ice there. Provorov is also a guy who has seemed a little bit...sensitive, where his confidence seems to wax and wane with criticism and from year to year. Coming into a situation where the fans are just waiting to pounce on his on-ice play with criticism could go sour very quickly.



I'm kind of wondering if Treliving doesn't just bring in one of "his guys" from Calgary, bringing Chris Tanev home. Certainly wouldn't provide any real offensive gusto from the back end and the durability is always a questionmark with him, but he's a fantastically efficient puck mover, and would do wonders for stabilizing one of those top-4 D pairings with a rock solid steady, natural RHD. At a pricetag that's a bit more affordable. He also seems a bit better equipped to handle the microscope of a frenetic market like hockey-mad Toronto.

I expect him to do just that. I expect a deal with Calgary and I'd bet either Tanev, Andersson, or Hanifin will be in that deal, especially with all his talk about defense

 

[biturbo19]

I expect him to do just that. I expect a deal with Calgary and I'd bet either Tanev, Andersson, or Hanifin will be in that deal, especially with all his talk about defense

It almost feels a bit telegraphed. But it all just sorta lines up that way. The guy obviously likes these players and the Flames have a weird RHD surplus (even if Weegar can play LD). Leafs kinda need a Top-4 RHD. Flames also need to reconfigure some things cap-wise.

I don't think the Leafs really have the assets to land Andersson. That'd be huge for them, but i just don't think that's the way the Flames are likely to go, and if they did...other teams would be prepared to massively outbid what the Leafs can offer.


Hanifin is a possibility, but ultimately just adds another LHD to the equation. As the younger player, probably also a guy the Flames would prefer to hang onto if they can reach agreeable terms.

To me, Tanev is the guy that makes the most sense. He clears cap room for Calgary...on an aging player who isn't going to be part of the future beyond this contract there. He's got some trade protection, but Toronto is a destination he's not saying no to. You have to expect that you're only going to get ~2/3rds of a season out of him probably...but for the games he plays, i could genuinely see Tanev being the partner to push someone like Rielly over the edge from that "fringe #1D" to something more. He's quietly made a lot of those sort of offensive roving defencemen an awful lot of money. I think Treliving is probably eminently aware of what that stabilizing presence of Tanev can do as a "multiplier" well beyond what he can offer in terms of points. He watched firsthand while Tanev turned Hanifin from a bit of a mediocre floundering Top-4ish D into a solid thriving Top-4D.

Rielly is exactly the sort of highly mobile offensive D that Tanev has found his best results with. But even if that's not what you do with it...he'd probably form a pretty darn good pair with McCabe too.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It almost feels a bit telegraphed. But it all just sorta lines up that way. The guy obviously likes these players and the Flames have a weird RHD surplus (even if Weegar can play LD). Leafs kinda need a Top-4 RHD. Flames also need to reconfigure some things cap-wise.

I don't think the Leafs really have the assets to land Andersson. That'd be huge for them, but i just don't think that's the way the Flames are likely to go, and if they did...other teams would be prepared to massively outbid what the Leafs can offer.


Hanifin is a possibility, but ultimately just adds another LHD to the equation. As the younger player, probably also a guy the Flames would prefer to hang onto if they can reach agreeable terms.

To me, Tanev is the guy that makes the most sense. He clears cap room for Calgary...on an aging player who isn't going to be part of the future beyond this contract there. He's got some trade protection, but Toronto is a destination he's not saying no to. You have to expect that you're only going to get ~2/3rds of a season out of him probably...but for the games he plays, i could genuinely see Tanev being the partner to push someone like Rielly over the edge from that "fringe #1D" to something more. He's quietly made a lot of those sort of offensive roving defencemen an awful lot of money. I think Treliving is probably eminently aware of what that stabilizing presence of Tanev can do as a "multiplier" well beyond what he can offer in terms of points. He watched firsthand while Tanev turned Hanifin from a bit of a mediocre floundering Top-4ish D into a solid thriving Top-4D.

Rielly is exactly the sort of highly mobile offensive D that Tanev has found his best results with. But even if that's not what you do with it...he'd probably form a pretty darn good pair with McCabe too.

You mentioned Wegar don't rule that out either, although the money makes that tough but he's a Treliving guy.

I also think he's going to sign Soucy or Dumba, I think Brian Doumulin is a UFA too.

I think he's coming in and putting his stamp on this team, specifically the defense.

I could also see Conor Murphy

 

[biturbo19]

You mentioned Wegar don't rule that out either, although the money makes that tough but he's a Treliving guy.

I also think he's going to sign Soucy or Dumba, I think Brian Doumulin is a UFA too.

I think he's coming in and putting his stamp on this team, specifically the defense.

I could also see Conor Murphy

Yeah. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. But that contract with Weegar is a big item.


I think when looking at what Treliving did in Calgary...he also clearly emphasized the defence and just layer upon layer of depth there. Overloading things at times even. I'd expect a similar approach in Toronto. He's also clearly not afraid to make big "blockbuster" deals. Whether it's Dougie/Farkland for Lindholm/Hanifin or the whole Tkachuk for Huberdeau/Weegar thing...he works outside the box a bit. He'll find a way to put together a package that gets him to where he wants to go. Big multi-player trades certainly aren't off the table there.


I don't see how he's going to have the cap flexibility to make big waves without moving one of the "Core 4"...but i guess we're going to see.


Soucy seems like he'd be a nice little upgrade on a guy like Holl...but i'm not sure that moves the needle on the bigger problems with the Leafs blueline. Dumba has been linked there, but again...doesn't seem like the right player to fix things there. He's an erratic offensive D who isn't even that great offensively. Is that what the Leafs are missing? Murphy fits the stay-at-home RHD bill...but how much of that Bedard calibre Hawks blueline do you actually want to import? Duomolin has been a good player in the past, but his mobility has clearly taken a turn for the worse...and it'd still be back to that problem of adding another basically second pair LHD to the mix.


Treliving is definitely going to want to put his stamp on the team though. So i'm expecting a different looking Leafs blueline next year. That's been a point of emphasis for him as an executive...and particularly in terms of trying to add size and more than anything, defensive reliability. You can even see it in the way he's targeted guys like Zadorov. I wouldn't even totally rule that out as a possibility. lol.


But Tanev to me, feels like such a natural fit. I think it probably helps both teams. Just figure out the value and get it done.

 

[The Madrigal]

That's not really true, yeah they are lacking mid round picks, but those are easy to get.

But they haven't traded a significant prospect in 4 years, they have 1st round picks in 2023, 2024, top 10 protected in 2025, and they have their 2026, or they will have their 2025 and lose their 2026.

Either way the idea that the Leafs have no picks or prospects needs to die it's simply not real.

They only have one prospect who would really excite the Flyers in a trade for Provorov and a few B level guys.

Currently they have the following picks upcoming in the top three round:

2023
1st

2024
1st, 3rd

2025
3rd

They also didn't have make a first round selection in the 2022 or 2021 drafts.

So yeah, a lack of picks and prospects are going to be an issue if Toronto wants to trade for Provorov. I can already hear Leafs fans complaining that they can't give up what would be a realistic asking price for him because of this. I mean, do you really want to give up 28 this year and your 2024 1st for him and not have a single first round pick from 2021-2025? Maybe 28, a 2nd, and a B level prospect would get it done but you guys don't have a 2nd round pick until 2026.

The best the Leafs could probably feel comfortable offering is 28 this year, a 3rd in 2024 and Robertson OR Niemela and I think the Flyers can do better. Even that would deplete the Leafs leaving them with only two 3rd round picks in the top three rounds of the next three drafts.

I just don't see there being a match here despite the fact that Provorov would be a really nice addition for Toronto.

 

[Albz]

Lol Goodluck getting leafs to trade for him. He stood up for the woke liberal ideology, Canada esp toronto is full out woke . Didn't you guys see what they just did to Bass

 

[Nuckster]

Leafs do not have the assets to land Provorov who would be a great fit there.

Nylander straight up. Makes sense for both teams.

Similar cap hits
Moves cap for the leafs away from top heavy forwards to bolster their D which they need.
Similar ages - Provorov is only 1 year older
Philly needs a 1c and Nylander is capable of that and may thrive in that role

 

[Nuckster]

Need a guy who can play like 2nd PP while also being solid defensively. Severson would be pretty ideal but there's a good chance he's too expensive.

Fans probably won't be happy but I feel like Matt Dumba may end up in Toronto. Tre has had interest in him before and he's pretty solid defensively. His injuries really set im back in the past few years but I think he could certainly bounce back with a change of scenery

Ya severson (like all UFA's) is going to get too much money and too much term. Very good player, but a RD who is good at both ends and can skate, someone is going to way overpay for him and regret is on the back end 3-4 years.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Nylander straight up. Makes sense for both teams.

Similar cap hits
Moves cap for the leafs away from top heavy forwards to bolster their D which they need.
Similar ages - Provorov is only 1 year older
Philly needs a 1c and Nylander is capable of that and may thrive in that role

We’ve been though this Nylander for Provorov discussions numerous times throughout the years, it never works and it ends up with each others fan bases crapping on each other in a war of words.

 

[Nuckster]

We’ve been though this Nylander for Provorov discussions numerous times throughout the years, it never works and it ends up with each others fan bases crapping on each other in a war of words.

ah ok lol...to me it makes sense.

 

[Double Dion]

Yeah. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. But that contract with Weegar is a big item.


I think when looking at what Treliving did in Calgary...he also clearly emphasized the defence and just layer upon layer of depth there. Overloading things at times even. I'd expect a similar approach in Toronto. He's also clearly not afraid to make big "blockbuster" deals. Whether it's Dougie/Farkland for Lindholm/Hanifin or the whole Tkachuk for Huberdeau/Weegar thing...he works outside the box a bit. He'll find a way to put together a package that gets him to where he wants to go. Big multi-player trades certainly aren't off the table there.


I don't see how he's going to have the cap flexibility to make big waves without moving one of the "Core 4"...but i guess we're going to see.


Soucy seems like he'd be a nice little upgrade on a guy like Holl...but i'm not sure that moves the needle on the bigger problems with the Leafs blueline. Dumba has been linked there, but again...doesn't seem like the right player to fix things there. He's an erratic offensive D who isn't even that great offensively. Is that what the Leafs are missing? Murphy fits the stay-at-home RHD bill...but how much of that Bedard calibre Hawks blueline do you actually want to import? Duomolin has been a good player in the past, but his mobility has clearly taken a turn for the worse...and it'd still be back to that problem of adding another basically second pair LHD to the mix.


Treliving is definitely going to want to put his stamp on the team though. So i'm expecting a different looking Leafs blueline next year. That's been a point of emphasis for him as an executive...and particularly in terms of trying to add size and more than anything, defensive reliability. You can even see it in the way he's targeted guys like Zadorov. I wouldn't even totally rule that out as a possibility. lol.


But Tanev to me, feels like such a natural fit. I think it probably helps both teams. Just figure out the value and get it done.

Tanev is the right fit for the Leafs I think. He cab move the puck and defend. I'd be looking for 2 2nd rounders or a late 1st if the deal happened in the offseason. A 1st and 2nd at the TDL. I like Z in Calgary. I don't think he'd be a good fit for the Leafs. They need a player who can defend top competition, move the puck and doesn't make mistakes. Tanev or Hanifin fit the bill. Z makes you come out of your seat in both good and bad ways. Like a physical Jake Gardiner.