Prospect Info: Prospects and Marlies Thread: Marlies Calder Cup Champions Edition

[nobody]

Im pissed at him more than the pick if that makes sense. Its his fault for not progressing.

He was progressing. Very well too before he took a cheap shot to his knees. Goats biggest issue is his skating. If he can back to the gear he was on prior to his injuries 2 yearsago, he would be a fantastic 4C.

 

[SprDaVE]

He was progressing. Very well too before he took a cheap shot to his knees. Goats biggest issue is his skating. If he can back to the gear he was on prior to his injuries 2 yearsago, he would be a fantastic 4C.

Gauthiers problem is not skating at all. He's not the most agile but speed and strength is good. I have no idea why people think skating is his problem.

His problem is his skill level and puck handling abilities. He's a very smart player and he's in good positions a lot of times but his limitations with the puck will always hold him back. He's also not a mean person, so while he's really big --- he doesn't play like he has 20+ pounds on his opponent so it becomes irrelevant.

His last NHL stint was really bad. He made several unforced turn overs and bad decisions with the puck. It had nothing to do with his skating.

He was great for the Marlies in the playoffs though so perhaps it was a wake up call... Maybe he's just not NHL quality. We'll see.

 

[uncleben]

You should really look at the 2013 draft results. There are a few guys who've played 100+ games with only one standout, Andre Burakovsky, after The Goat pick

It was a very weak draft, especially after the 20th pick

Still, Bura, Theodore, Hartman, Santini, Pesce, Buchnevich, Janmark, Butcher would all be much nicer right now...

I'd even rather be complaining about Duclair, Dickinson, and Dano's stalls in development than Gauthier's.

It's not star studded, but I could pick out like 50 guys who may have not made big impacts, but have at least made an impact, unlike Gauthier.


Playing these games, comparing them, is silly, bc hindsight is always 20/20, but Gauthier was a suspect pick at the time, and he has done little to help his case.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Gauthiers problem is not skating at all. He's not the most agile but speed and strength is good. I have no idea why people think skating is his problem.

His problem is his skill level and puck handling abilities. He's a very smart player and he's in good positions a lot of times but his limitations with the puck will always hold him back. He's also not a mean person, so while he's really big --- he doesn't play like he has 20+ pounds on his opponent so it becomes irrelevant.

His last NHL stint was really bad. He made several unforced turn overs and bad decisions with the puck. It had nothing to do with his skating.

He was great for the Marlies in the playoffs though so perhaps it was a wake up call... Maybe he's just not NHL quality. We'll see.

That's his main flaw for me, no killer instinct whatsoever. He would be in the NHL already if he was willing to use his size. Doesn't even have to be looking for huge hits out there, just playing like Boyle would be enough. He could have been someone like Lowry if he had his head screwed on straight.

 

[blueberrie]

Any guesses who this is about?

 

[Duke16]

Any guesses who this is about?

Garret Sparks

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Garret Sparks

Or Pickard maybe as well. Although not really a prospect.

Could apply to most of the guys down there really.

 

[Walshy7]

Or Pickard maybe as well. Although not really a prospect.

Could apply to most of the guys down there really.

Andrew Nielsen, big guy lots of points in junior cant skate. Perceived value is high get rid

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Andrew Nielsen, big guy lots of points in junior cant skate. Perceived value is high get rid

I was thinking maybe Timashov or Moore. They have 2/3 potential, but the Leafs will never fit them into their lineup unless they trade a bunch of guys. Nobody is going to price themselves out by the time they are ready to go.

 

[Scott Malkinson]

Sault Ste. Marie picked Roman Pucek in the CHL import draft today.

Pucek is in developmental camp with Toronto.

 

[deletethis]

How many Marlies have a "perceived high value"? I can't get past the names Dermott, Johnsson, Liljegren and maybe Grundstrom. Everyone else is a decent to good prospect unless someone has lost their mind. I think he's referring to Liljegren based on his modest rookie production. I also think he's dead wrong 'cos Liljegren's rookie AHL season came 2 years' earlier than Reinhart's. Maybe that concept has escaped Bourne.

 

[saltming]

Sault Ste. Marie picked Roman Pucek in the CHL import draft today.

Pucek is in developmental camp with Toronto.

Things that make you say hmmm

 

[Walshy7]

How many Marlies have a "perceived high value"? I can't get past the names Dermott, Johnsson, Liljegren and maybe Grundstrom. Everyone else is a decent to good prospect unless someone has lost their mind. I think he's referring to Liljegren based on his modest rookie production. I also think he's dead wrong 'cos Liljegren's rookie AHL season came 2 years' earlier than Reinhart's. Maybe that concept has escaped Bourne.

Depends how you define high value. I look at Andrew Nielsen for example we took him with a 3rd if we can get a 3rd for him that would be unreal. Kid isn’t going to make it low iq and bad skater, obviously it’s possible other teams know this but if they don’t let him go ASAP.

 

[deletethis]

Depends how you define high value. I look at Andrew Nielsen for example we took him with a 3rd if we can get a 3rd for him that would be unreal. Kid isn’t going to make it low iq and bad skater, obviously it’s possible other teams know this but if they don’t let him go ASAP.

I just don't regard prospects like Nielsen (or Sparks or Timashov or Moore) as high value. Bourne is talking about Griffin Reinhart, a supposedly skilled 4th overall, not some 3rd rounder with easily recognized skating limitations.

 

[deletethis]

That's his main flaw for me, no killer instinct whatsoever. He would be in the NHL already if he was willing to use his size. Doesn't even have to be looking for huge hits out there, just playing like Boyle would be enough. He could have been someone like Lowry if he had his head screwed on straight.

Gauthier doesn't have to be mean to use his size although it sure would help. Better players but Sundin and JVR are examples of gentle giants who have/had ways of fending off and blocking out the opposition to make plays. A big body is still a pain in the neck if it consistently gets in your way and/or shields the puck away from you.

I'm predicting it now: Gauthier makes the team in the Fall to protect him against exposure to waivers. He also sits a ton playing a Leivonian amount of games in 2018-19.

 

[saltming]

I'm predicting it now: Gauthier makes the team in the Fall to protect him against exposure to waivers. He also sits a ton playing a Leivonian amount of games in 2018-19.

But seriously I thing it will just be a corradian am out of games

 

[Martin Skoula]

Gauthier doesn't have to be mean to use his size although it sure would help. Better players but Sundin and JVR are examples of gentle giants who have/had ways of fending off and blocking out the opposition to make plays. A big body is still a pain in the neck if it consistently gets in your way and/or shields the puck away from you.

I'm predicting it now: Gauthier makes the team in the Fall to protect him against exposure to waivers. He also sits a ton playing a Leivonian amount of games in 2018-19.

Gauthier just doesn't seem like he wants the puck nearly as badly as a guy like Sundin. He doesn't need to be throwing huge hits out there, but he has a very timid mindset as to how he approaches the game, and that needs to change if he ever wants to stick in the NHL.

Right now I see him as a forward version of Marincin - good at occupying the correct spaces on the ice and denying passing lanes with an active stick, but useless at handling the puck or taking it away from the opponent. Could look elite in the AHL or other leagues with lower levels of puck skills, but gets torn apart with any amount of pressure from NHL calibre opposition.

 

[FreeBird]

Gauthiers problem is not skating at all. He's not the most agile but speed and strength is good. I have no idea why people think skating is his problem.

His problem is his skill level and puck handling abilities. He's a very smart player and he's in good positions a lot of times but his limitations with the puck will always hold him back. He's also not a mean person, so while he's really big --- he doesn't play like he has 20+ pounds on his opponent so it becomes irrelevant.

His last NHL stint was really bad. He made several unforced turn overs and bad decisions with the puck. It had nothing to do with his skating.

He was great for the Marlies in the playoffs though so perhaps it was a wake up call... Maybe he's just not NHL quality. We'll see.

Had high hopes for the Goat but his consistent soft play neutralizes his greatest asset his Size.

 

[Knies iT]

Stotts actually looks like a player, really liking that pick. Looks like a much better version of Brooks from a couple of years ago. Very fluid skater with soft hands and a deceptive shot. Could be a sleeper moving forward.

 

[Walshy7]

I just don't regard prospects like Nielsen (or Sparks or Timashov or Moore) as high value. Bourne is talking about Griffin Reinhart, a supposedly skilled 4th overall, not some 3rd rounder with easily recognized skating limitations.

how much do you think Garret Sparks is worth? no more than a 3rd at absolute best, NHL backup at best is his ceiling

the only one that fits high pick criteria is Liljegren, do you honestly believe they are talking about liljegren and selling high? if they are they are so far out to lunch its dinner time already

 

[Kiwi]

Stotts actually looks like a player, really liking that pick. Looks like a much better version of Brooks from a couple of years ago. Very fluid skater with soft hands and a deceptive shot. Could be a sleeper moving forward.

It sounds like Speltz and the Western scouts really fought for him, Dubas mentioned it in his post draft presser if I'm remembering correctly

 

[Walshy7]

It sounds like Speltz and the Western scouts really fought for him, Dubas mentioned it in his post draft presser if I'm remembering correctly

dubas mentioned how scouts influenced almost every single pick. Yet because there is 2 SSM guys in there "oh dubas just took over the draft and drafted who he wanted. I mean SSM is a team with prospects on it is it so unfathomable that the list came up BPA SSM, or at least in Holloway's case 4 guys tied there and Dubas said GM of SSM swears on holloway

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It sounds like Speltz and the Western scouts really fought for him, Dubas mentioned it in his post draft presser if I'm remembering correctly

Kral is probably more of a Speltz pick, since he has deep ties to Spokane. Although picking Kral at that point... I could care less about how biased it could be. It was an amazing value pick.

I would think Malarchuk had the most say in it, because he would have seen Calgary the most. But he may have told the other guys to take a look at him and they all liked him.

The main thing with him is while he's not amazing at anything besides his IQ, he's not bad at anything either. He's a nice skater, he has decent offensive tools, he's solid defensively... Really he's the type of guy you would love to get your hands on and see what you can improve. With his IQ, he can probably pick up a lot of things and if he just keeps absorbing advice, he could become a guy who is good at everything.

I doubt he gets to the point of becoming a top 6 player, but the type of very reliable 3C or 4C that we will need eventually.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

dubas mentioned how scouts influenced almost every single pick. Yet because there is 2 SSM guys in there "oh dubas just took over the draft and drafted who he wanted. I mean SSM is a team with prospects on it is it so unfathomable that the list came up BPA SSM, or at least in Holloway's case 4 guys tied there and Dubas said GM of SSM swears on holloway

Sandin was probably not even much of a SSM pick. He was probably tabbed as early as last year by Bergman, and then followed throughout all of the different places he played.

Hollowell and Durzi, because both were at development camp, were the only ones.

 

[Kiwi]

Kral is probably more of a Speltz pick, since he has deep ties to Spokane. Although picking Kral at that point... I could care less about how biased it could be. It was an amazing value pick.

I would think Malarchuk had the most say in it, because he would have seen Calgary the most. But he may have told the other guys to take a look at him and they all liked him.

The main thing with him is while he's not amazing at anything besides his IQ, he's not bad at anything either. He's a nice skater, he has decent offensive tools, he's solid defensively... Really he's the type of guy you would love to get your hands on and see what you can improve. With his IQ, he can probably pick up a lot of things and if he just keeps absorbing advice, he could become a guy who is good at everything.

I doubt he gets to the point of becoming a top 6 player, but the type of very reliable 3C or 4C that we will need eventually.

The way I interpreted Dubas after draft comments was that the guys out West fought for Stotts pretty strongly, Malarchuk may of taken the lead in spotting him but it's does sound like Speltz had his full backing at the very least