Hyman had 40 points last season... definitely not top 6 production. Playing with two guys as talented as Nylander and Matthews voosted his numbers given how many opportunities he missed for easy goals.What has Johnsson done to show he's a better option than Hyman...?
Hyman produced like a top 6 forward last season, but for some reason, that still isn't enough for some fans on this board...:
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Jussi
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Räsänen playing as 7th defenseman for Jokerit in today's pre-season game. Seems to be his intended position for the season. As two-way U-20 contract player he fits in that role. Not sure if that's best for his development.
He has a contract with them still and is probably just getting some ice time before camp starts here. European leagues start earlier than seasons over here so probably trying to get a jump on camp by playing some actual games. Might skip the start of Soo camp but I expect him back there after a week or two in Leafs camp.
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If you factor in the fact he had NO PP time, then yes... it is top 6 production...
Plus, he was a sophomore... he will get better IMO...
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The KHL has a lot of defensemen playing each game, but usually not too many guys playing a ton of minutes. CSKA Moskow (who Ozhiganov played for last year), had 10 defensemen playing 38 or more games last year (max was 45) with average ice time ranging from 13:21 to 20:35. It seems like the top 4 plays 18-20 per night, the bottom pairing plays 16, and the other guys play something in the 13-15 range. Ozhiganov himself was the 7th defenseman last year and now he's a 6/7 in the NHL most likely. He played almost 15 minutes a night. I'd expect similar from Rasanen, and that's not bad for a teenager starting out in the KHL. As he gets more comfortable, he could easily jump up the depth chart. The names ahead of them were hardly impressive when they played in North America.
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Ecxept according to fans, Räsänen doesn't look deserving of much (if any) playing time at the moment.
When you remove Powerplay scoring, and look primarily at PK+ES points, Hyman is tied for 76th in league scoring. 74th if you remove Erik Karlsson and John Klingberg and do just forwards.
So his production is on the lower end of the top line forwards, but he's still in the range where he should be.
What has Johnsson done to show he's a better option than Hyman...?
Hyman produced like a top 6 forward last season, but for some reason, that still isn't enough for some fans on this board...
Johnsson's performances in both the AHL and NHL last season
Hyman was stapled to two of the best offensive players on the Leafs and in Matthews case the league last season and managed to leech points playing with superior offensive talents
He did ok but let's not lose sight of what Hyman is and the type of help he was getting here
I'd back Leivo to score as much if not more with that opportunity
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Well if he is the 7th defenseman, it's looking like he is getting it. That would put him ahead of a couple of veterans and all of the younger guys on the depth chart. We'll wait and see what the coach ends up doing by the end of camp, but it does not look like Rasanen is at the point where he's not going to get much ice time on a 10 man defense. Especially if his main weakness is skating.
Besides, some of the comments like he's not very physical and stuff like that did not sound like him at all. Physicality is one of the things he's known for doing. Maybe it's just an adjustment thing, and if that's the case, it should eventually come back for him as he feels more comfortable. That will help him get ice time as well.
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This was the d today:
50 Viktor Lööv – 18 Sami Lepistö
4 Tommi Kivistö – 51 Alex Grant
3 Karl Stollery – 7 Oliver Lauridsen
77 Eemeli Räsänen
He's not ahead of any veteran. Jensen is out because he's injured.
In a small rink. Not so much in a big rink. Pretty much every Finn who's seen him play for our junior teams has not been impressed with his mobility or physicality.
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Yeah, I'm not feeling good about putting Hyman down,cause he obviously tries really hard,it's Babs that I disagree with! If Hyman is so great then lets have him anchor the 'best ' 4th line in hockey!
The guy is all heart
I may not always agree with how he's used but he gives everything every shift, I've got nothing but admiration for anybody who makes a career in pro sports like that
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Hyman is a skilled forechecker - fast, quick and tenacious. Need a few more guys to step up and play like him.
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I’m really hoping Ozhiganov’s game translates to the NHL well for us.
Here is a good read New Leafs defenceman ‘Ozzie’ already in love with Toronto
Remember, this is the guy Kucherov tried recruiting to the TBL...
Here is a good read New Leafs defenceman ‘Ozzie’ already in love with Toronto
Remember, this is the guy Kucherov tried recruiting to the TBL...
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Leivo would almost definitely score more than Hyman playing with Matthews and Nylander...But Hymans speed and forechecking/cycle game helps drive possession for the line...
Hymans skill is at a 4th line level but his forecheck game is so elite he makes it extremely hard on the opposing d men and gives Matthews and Nylander some space to do their thing.
Tavares and Hyman together should be an absolute handful downlow this year.
Hymans skill is at a 4th line level but his forecheck game is so elite he makes it extremely hard on the opposing d men and gives Matthews and Nylander some space to do their thing.
Tavares and Hyman together should be an absolute handful downlow this year.
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thanks for sharing that article. I've set my expectations for "Ozzie" so low because of his age and his weaker season last year statistically. Hopefully he can become a solid #6/7 for the Leafs this season.
forget about him, hunter failed in 5 attempts at hitting on a 6'5" or bigger dman. He was the best shot we had at one succeeding (obviously by being a 2nd round pick) and he has stalled at best now
I used to believe that too but I think I was and you are selling him a little bit short he has more skill than a 4th liner maybe even only a 3rd liner level skill but the elite forcheking part is right and what makes him so valuable even if he doesn't actually win that many board battles he ties them up for Matthews or nylaner (now JT or marner) to swoop in and gain puck control
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Ive got a hunch he’ll be better than Carrick... but that really isn’t saying a whole lot...
His skill is not 4th line level, not elite but certainly above 4th line level.
Just because he can't snipe top corner or dangle between defenders doesn't make him a 4th line skill level player.
But I totally agree with the rest of your post.
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I like Ozhiganov's highlights better than Zaitsev's. I'm sure he's not the same caliber of prospect or he would have been better known, but he's got some hands to go with that big shot
I'd love to see Leivo get a shot there. I think he's a better cycler/puck possession player than Hyman as well, but they would have to re-design the dump in play because he doesn't have Hyman's wheels to get to the puck and stop the defenseman from getting controlled possession to break it out. Hyman's good at getting there and tying it up until Matthews/Nylander arrive in support to do something good with it, Leivo is good at getting the puck and doing something good with it on his own once he gets there
It's a damn shame we can't put one skillset in the other body
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