Proposal: Proposals Thread: Fix this broken club

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Just for fun..

Would you guys deal RNH+Eberle for Staal and Staal?

Hall-E Staal- Yakupov
Perron-J Staal- Gagner

If be very okay with that.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

We have two glaring needs: a legit top pairing D and depth down the middle.

The first is extremely hard to come by. I do wonder if MTL is going to pay Subban the type of money he is going to demand. They balked once and gave him a bridge contract. He won the Norris and is having a big year from a production standpoint in 2013-14. He'd be a guy worth targeting especialy if we're willing to move some of the young guys in the top 6.

As to depth at C, Callahan and Stastny could be available, but I don't think either provides what we really need. And both are going to come at a high price. I'd love to get O'Reilly but that's not happening. COL would be crazy to move him. Draisaitl looks like exactly what we need. If Buffalo gets the NYI pick this year, would something like Yak for that pick we worth it? Would Buffalo do it? Walking out of the draft with Ekblad and Draisaitl would be huge.

 

[LTIR]

Just for fun..

Would you guys deal RNH+Eberle for Staal and Staal?

Hall-E Staal- Yakupov
Perron-J Staal- Gagner

Then we can trade Hall for Schenn + Schenn
and Yakupov for M.Staal

/big 4

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Then we can trade Hall for Schenn + Schenn
and Yakupov for M.Staal

/big 4

and Klefbom for Reinhart. and Lander for Reinhart.

B.Schenn-E.Staal-Gagner
Perron-J.Staal-S.Reinhart
Hendricks-Gordon-M.Reinhart
Joensuu-Arcobello-Gazdic
(Smyth)

M.Staal-Schultz
Marincin-Petry
G.Reinhart-L.Schenn
(Ference)


and on...to the Subbans

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Maybe, continuing with the Canes, move Yakupov, Eberle and Gagner to the Canes for E and J Staal + (something)

Both teams make significant changes to their rosters.

 

[McShogun99]

I know that we need defence but why not package Gagner and Petry together for a #2 center? Target players like Hanzal, J.Staal or Berglund. Offer a 2nd round pick plus prospect for Stewart and offer sheet Subban(will cost us 4 1st round picks). Offer a defensive prospect for Clarkson with Toronto eating 30% of his salary or offer a defensive prospect to Philidalphia for Hartnell. Have one of Nurse or Ekblad make the team. Sign a 4th line C like Boyle and a 4th line winger like Pelech. Sign a 7th Dman like Klesla or Ranger.

Hall-J.Staal/Hanzal/Berglund-Yakupov
Hartnel/Clarkson-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gordon-Stewart
Gazdic-Boyle-Pelech

Marincin-Subban
Klefbom-Schultz
Ference/Nurse-Ference/Eklblad

 

[Master Lok]

Steve Ott is not signing as a UFA to play in Edmonton when he can literally sign for any team in the league.

Subban is not going to sign an offer sheet to play in Edmonton.

Hartnell is not waiving his NMC to come to Edmonton, the second worst team in the league.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Steve Ott is not signing as a UFA to play in Edmonton when he can literally sign for any team in the league.

Subban is not going to sign an offer sheet to play in Edmonton.

Hartnell is not waiving his NMC to come to Edmonton, the second worst team in the league.

Well here's hoping that's all true.

 

[rockinghockey]

I think that if we can sign Niskanen that would improve our dmen. Ekblad won't be there when we pick so I think we go with the big centreman in Leon. We need a centreman with size and that is what he gives. Watched him over the weekend and I thought he look really good.

 

[MPStoEberletoHall*]

I think that if we can sign Niskanen that would improve our dmen. Ekblad won't be there when we pick so I think we go with the big centreman in Leon. We need a centreman with size and that is what he gives. Watched him over the weekend and I thought he look really good.

What makes you think he will be gone at #2? Buffalo is stacked with Defense, they need forwards. Im also a big Leon fan though, he would be my 2nd pick as an oil fan

 

[Andrew83]

This is my thinking.
One of the best GMs, if not the best, chia in boston...made a mistake with his first coach choice in dave lewis. He then fired him after the year.
I agree renney did a good job. Thats on tambi. It made no sense firing him.
Unlike chia who landed chara, savard, boychuk that first year and got kessel, lucic and marchand at the draft before the season...mact had a cluster**** . Chia also had the inside track on chara coming from ottawa.
I think mact might feel he hasnt given eakins a proper team

Part of me thinks eakins is gone at year end, part of me thinks mact gives him a team after a summer of arduous work and eakins is canned the moment mact sees it not coming together.

You guys probably should overpay in order to bring in some major top-D you can build around. That will send a message that the team is serious about changing and you can start attracting more free agents.

In Boston, Savard only signed with us after Chia had already gotten Chara (which demonstrated that Chia was serious about changing the style of play and trying to establish a new winning culture).

 

[MPStoEberletoHall*]

You guys probably should overpay in order to bring in some major top-D you can build around. That will send a message that the team is serious about changing and you can start attracting more free agents.

In Boston, Savard only signed with us after Chia had already gotten Chara (which demonstrated that Chia was serious about changing the style of play and trying to establish a new winning culture).

Any suggestions?

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Any suggestions?

Seabrook, Keith, Weber or Subban would all be great but hard to pry out of their teams

 

[McLotto 97]

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Steve Ott ($4.250m)
David Perron ($3.813m) / Paul Stastny ($6.250m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Nail Yakupov ($0.925m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.500m)
Luke Gazdic ($0.699m) / Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Anton Lander ($1.500m)
Jesse Joensuu ($0.950m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Matt Niskanen ($4.000m) / Justin Schultz ($2.750m)
Nikita Nikitin ($4.000m) / Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m)
Jeff Petry ($2.500m) / Martin Marincin ($0.730m)
Andrew Ference ($3.250m) /
GOALTENDERS
Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)
BUYOUTS
Eric Belanger ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,060,167; BONUSES: $3,340,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,039,833

Are the signings realistic, money wise?
Does this make us a playoff team?
Gagner was traded for draft picks.
We Draft Ekblad or Leon D. and send them to Junior along with Nurse

 

[Homesick]

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Steve Ott ($4.250m)
David Perron ($3.813m) / Paul Stastny ($6.250m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Nail Yakupov ($0.925m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.500m)
Luke Gazdic ($0.699m) / Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Anton Lander ($1.500m)
Jesse Joensuu ($0.950m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Matt Niskanen ($4.000m) / Justin Schultz ($2.750m)
Nikita Nikitin ($4.000m) / Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m)
Jeff Petry ($2.500m) / Martin Marincin ($0.730m)
Andrew Ference ($3.250m) /
GOALTENDERS
Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)
BUYOUTS
Eric Belanger ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,060,167; BONUSES: $3,340,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,039,833

Are the signings realistic, money wise?
Does this make us a playoff team?
Gagner was traded for draft picks.
We Draft Ekblad or Leon D. and send them to Junior along with Nurse

Stastny will get 8 million on the open market.
Niskanen will get 6 million
Nikitin is closer to 5 million
Ott is a 1st line RW? plus he's worth more than Clarkson so...yikes
Yakupov on the 3rd? just send him back to Russia this summer

 

[Joey Moss]

Stastny would be a huge acquisition but I just don't see him signing here. Also, whoever signs Matt Niskanen for over 5M is going to be kicking themselves in 2 years. Playing for Pittsburgh plus contract year = huge risk to sign for that much. Depending on the term and whoever else we can acquire I'd pass on him. You don't want to sign a guy like that long term to be your #1 D.

 

[Soundwave]

Honestly I'd go all in on Andrei Markov if his medical comes up clean.

2-3 years, 7.5 mill per.

Overpayment, but we need to get some experience and stability on the back end.

 

[Homesick]

Stastny would be a huge acquisition but I just don't see him signing here. Also, whoever signs Matt Niskanen for over 5M is going to be kicking themselves in 2 years. Playing for Pittsburgh plus contract year = huge risk to sign for that much. Depending on the term and whoever else we can acquire I'd pass on him. You don't want to sign a guy like that long term to be your #1 D.

Niskanen would still be the Oilers best defenseman. No player is signing here for market value, or even close to it.

Honestly I'd go all in on Andrei Markov if his medical comes up clean.

2-3 years, 7.5 mill per.

Overpayment, but we need to get some experience and stability on the back end.

Is he really worth almost 2 million more a year? Don't get me wrong; I really like Markov and it would be great to have him around this group but thats rich. 2 years 6.25 million.
7 years 8 million for Stastny and I think he'll get close to that from another team. So many teams have a **** pile of cap space this year.
I'll have a go at it though-

FORWARDS
Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
David Perron ($3.813m) / Paul Stastny ($8.000m) / Nail Yakupov ($0.925m)
Ryan Smyth ($2.000m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Anton Lander ($0.851m)
Luke Gazdic ($0.900m) / Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Jesse Joensuu ($0.950m)
Mark Arcobello ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($6.250m) / Matt Niskanen ($5.250m)
Justin Schultz ($3.000m) / Jeff Petry ($3.200m)
Martin Marincin ($0.730m) / Andrew Ference ($3.250m)
Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m) /
GOALTENDERS
Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,862,167; BONUSES: $3,340,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,287,833

 

[McOilbleeder]

Stastny would be a huge acquisition but I just don't see him signing here. Also, whoever signs Matt Niskanen for over 5M is going to be kicking themselves in 2 years. Playing for Pittsburgh plus contract year = huge risk to sign for that much. Depending on the term and whoever else we can acquire I'd pass on him. You don't want to sign a guy like that long term to be your #1 D.

We don't have a choice imo. Niskanen may bomb, but the guy is playing tough minutes in Pittsburgh, putting up points and doing pretty well. There was a stretch where he was the only veteran in a blueline filled with young D-man and sophomores and he kept his head above water. Unless we have another way to get a D-man who can play tough minutes, especially when trade options will be limited (assets, NTC etc etc.), I'm not sure we can really not take the risk.

 

[Oil In My Veins]

How about a guy like Wheeler from the Jets?

He's got a questionable contract but he'd definitely bring some functional size.

 

[MPStoEberletoHall*]

How about a guy like Wheeler from the Jets?

He's got a questionable contract but he'd definitely bring some functional size.

Wheeler may be big, but he plays soft. Not what we need

 

[Soundwave]

Niskanen would still be the Oilers best defenseman. No player is signing here for market value, or even close to it.

Is he really worth almost 2 million more a year? Don't get me wrong; I really like Markov and it would be great to have him around this group but thats rich. 2 years 6.25 million.
7 years 8 million for Stastny and I think he'll get close to that from another team. So many teams have a **** pile of cap space this year.
I'll have a go at it though-

FORWARDS
Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
David Perron ($3.813m) / Paul Stastny ($8.000m) / Nail Yakupov ($0.925m)
Ryan Smyth ($2.000m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Anton Lander ($0.851m)
Luke Gazdic ($0.900m) / Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Jesse Joensuu ($0.950m)
Mark Arcobello ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($6.250m) / Matt Niskanen ($5.250m)
Justin Schultz ($3.000m) / Jeff Petry ($3.200m)
Martin Marincin ($0.730m) / Andrew Ference ($3.250m)
Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m) /
GOALTENDERS
Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,862,167; BONUSES: $3,340,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,287,833

He won't sign for that low. Especially not for Edmonton.

 

[Jarvi]

Wheeler may be big, but he plays soft. Not what we need

Would you call Jamie Benn soft? Wheeler has him beat in hits this year and last.

Obviously hits aren't the only thing that makes a player soft or not, but from what I have seen from Wheeler this year he used his frame quite well.

We arent gonna get Lucic here so these are the types we need to look at, then get them to tweak their game when they are here. Plus just having bigger bodies, even if they arent crushing guys will help us match up against some of the other western teams.

But that said I am a bit of a fan of Wheeler so perhaps my opinion is biased.

 

[ElFossum]

FORWARDS
Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Dustin Byfuglien ($5.200m)
David Perron ($3.813m) / Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Nail Yakupov ($0.925m)
Cody Eakin ($1.650m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / David Moss ($2.750m)
Antti Pihlstrom ($0.750m) / Mark Arcobello ($0.725m) / Matt Hendricks ($1.850m)
Luke Gazdic ($0.721m) / Anton Lander ($0.750m) /
Adam Lowry ($0.828m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Fedor Tyutin ($4.500m) / Justin Schultz ($2.500m)
Martin Marincin ($0.730m) / Jeff Petry ($3.250m)
Andrew Ference ($3.250m) / Matt Greene ($4.800m)
Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m) /
GOALTENDERS
Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)

Trade 1:
To WPG: 2014 1st round pick + David Musil
To EDM: Dustin Byfuglien + Adam Lowry

Why for Edmonton we need a power forward and more importantly someone who provides net front presence in the worst way, Buff is one of the best in the league in front of the net, hasn't had as much opportunity to show it given he's been playing defense for the most part. They have a lot of size in there line-up so they can part with both for a potential impact center in the draft.

Trade 2:
To DAL: Sam Gagner
To EDM: Cody Eakins

A little speedier and is better on the forecheck than Gagner and is more defesively responsible. Gagner is more capable of carrying the offensive load than Eakins and adds more punch to Dallas which could use a bit more especially if Peverly is going to be out for a while. Eakins would fill a similair role to Higgins in Vancouver, adding a little needed offensive punch to a 3rd line lacking in offense. Eakins adds utility like Hendricks that he can slide into center if needed.

Trade 3:
To CBJ: Jordan Eberle + Martin Gernat
To EDM: Fedor Tyutin + Artem Anisimov

For Edmonton addresses both of our primary needs in top paid d and a big two way center, but both fall short of being ideal or high impact long term solutions, but should still fill the role adequately. For CBJ they want to add more skill and an impact player and Tyutin is someone who they could potentially stand to lose with Murray there + Jack Johnson and potentially re-signing Nikitin. Anisimov is more expendable with Johanson and Jenner stepping up in a big way.

UFA signings:

• 
  David Moss ($2.75 million for 3 years)- chance to play with Gordon again and a bit of an overpay and a little longer than one would like but not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things
• Matt Greene ($4.8 million for 2 years)- big overpay but we need a respectable D to cover top minutes as it seems like every other game one of Petry or J. Schultz are having an off night adds stability and a physical presence which we badly need. Similair player to Boychuk minus the big shot so it should provide a little more comfort to Ference or we could pair him with Marincin to provide stability for the young D.
• Antti Pihlstrom ($0.8 million for 2 years)- plays a high speed game and is gritty and physical, a player I like quite a bit more than Joensuu, I would just loan out Joensuu to some team in Europe to finish off his contract. If he won't oblige through waivers and to the AHL he goes.
• Marc Arcobello- technically a UFA

I had another version in my head which I'm sure people on this board would like more, but penciling in upper tier UFA's given our struggles just isn't realistic. I am considering standing pat to no longer be an option, Hall must be quickly approaching the end of his rope, if we have to trade him our rebuild might as well start over again.


So thoughts on the lines:

Hall- Nuge- Buff:
Hall and Nuge dominate the play lots of give and go's; Buff just needs to play big, helps on the boards, and has to be a continual pest and threat in front of the net. Hall and Nuge tend to play with Eberle or more recently Yak a lot which typically involves trying to get an ideal set-up for a good shot which is hard to do consistently any shot with a rebound and Big Buff infront of the net is a threat to go in.

Perron- Anisimov- Yak:
A country man for Yak to play with who has good skill and above average attention to detail on the defensive end, with Perron and Anisimov on the line it would be a bit more forgiving in terms of mistakes by Yak ending up in the back of our net, and while Anisimov isn't a bulldozer or really gritty he is a big guy who can't just be pushed around like a Gagner or Arcobello.

Eakins- Gordon - Moss:
Gordon + Moss is a solid foundation for a checking line and the tough kind of minutes and defensive zone starts that Gordon gets fed, while I like the chemistry Gordon and Hendricks have, Hendricks just isn't a scoring threat often enough to justify a spot on the 3rd line. Eakins adds more offense to the line, but is still a capable member to support the duo.

Pihlstrom -Arco/Lander- Hendricks:
The only way I see Arco and Lander re-signing here is if they are promised a spot on the 4th line, I think if we tell them we won't pick up a center for the 4th line and they just have to compete against each other for the job at training camp we could convince both to sign. Pihlstrom is a great energy line player, doesn't have world class hands but is really fast and quick on the forecheck and plays with a lot of tenacity, it's kind of funny that he would be the 4th Finn (Hartikainen, Joensuu, and Petrell) to play on our 4th line but I'm hoping the 4th time is the charm. The basic premise of the line is all 3 players are hard working players Pihlstrom has the speed to force the direction the play goes and then Hendricks is the 2nd man on the forecheck coming in hard to paste who ever is the recipient of the pass. I seen Washington utilize this with Chimera hard on the forecheck with Wilson 2nd man in, to devastating effect. The line could change the tempo of the game like our 4th line really hasn't been able to do for quite a while and putting fear into D and creating turnovers has a contagious effect and should benefit the other lines as well. Eakins doesn't like small 4th line, but if we had size on every other line like we have it should be less of an issue.

D should be pretty self explanatory Tyutin is a solid stable defenseman who can help both offensively and defensively and Matt Green is someone we are all familiar with who can mash and bang his health is a concern but D like him are always in demand we overpay cause it's the only way I think he would consider it especially if we are only offering a short team deal. None of our pairings are world class but if we have 3 pairings that are decent we should be able to hold our own.

I know, I know, TLDR, but I like to provide some justification for my thoughts.

HF needs more people like you. Excellent post.

 

[Tirefire]

There isn't a top free agent that's coming to Edmonton this year guys.

This thing gets fixed through trades and drafting. We've too many soft skilled forwards who play one way.

We need some top six size and grit not bottom six grit, bottom six grit is easily found, and 3 D better than we have now with size and skill.

Hunker down boys, this is a 3-4 year fix.

Welcome to the NYI North.