Pro Tank Thread "You said that we'd be better now, better now. But you always let us down."

[carrotshirt]

Yes well normally I just leave it alone but when alleged "fans" start wishing for Canuck injuries I can't sit idly by...

I suggest that we do what we are already doing; trying to draft well and assemble free agents who bring something to the table and who are happy to be here. It's a tough job because Vancouver isn't the first choice for a lot of players for a lot of reasons.

Do you think our managment is capable of rebuilding this way? They were trying to compete when they stumbled into those high draft picks. Clearly our pro scouting also leaves a lot to be desired. So do you want changes at the top, or do you want the same people trying to compete our way into a cup win?

I’m pro tank because these clods couldn’t win us a cup in a thousand years, so tanking serves the dual purpose of getting management canned as well as getting high picks for the new front office.

 

[Svencouver]

It is going to be impossible to tank in this division. Everyone is just so, so bad.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

It is going to be impossible to tank in this division. Everyone is just so, so bad.

*checks out of town scoreboard*

Flames getting beat 7-0
Ducks getting beat 5-2
Kings get beat again
Knights sucking

****ing hell.

 

[Foundational Player]

Del Zotto strikes again, hell of a defenseman.

 

[Foundational Player]

Key two points for the Coyotes who look as terrible as ever and definitely headed for another high lottery pick.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

The Kings are making a strong early move for the divisional basement.

 

[Melvin]

The Kings are making a strong early move for the divisional basement.

Told you guys. They are soo oolld.

 

[Yultron]

It’s only the 11th game of the season. For all of you Canucks fans that want a high draft pick relax. There is still 71 games left too go and in two of our last 3 games we have looked like the same old canucks . There’s lots of time for us too lose games. We started off really good last year and still got Quinn Hughes. I expect a simliar trend this season where we start off strong then come back too earth.

I don’t expect us too be in the Hughes , Kakko sweetstaks but I do expect us too eventually be in the Turcotte , Byram, Dach and Podkolvin sweepstakes tho

 

[Icebreakers]

This team desperately needs another top pick. Preferably a winger cause i dont think there is a true #1 dman in this years draft.

 

[Zippgunn]

Do you think our managment is capable of rebuilding this way? They were trying to compete when they stumbled into those high draft picks. Clearly our pro scouting also leaves a lot to be desired. So do you want changes at the top, or do you want the same people trying to compete our way into a cup win?

I’m pro tank because these clods couldn’t win us a cup in a thousand years, so tanking serves the dual purpose of getting management canned as well as getting high picks for the new front office.

Well at least you admit that you're pro-tank largely because you are anti-Benning. I'm not his biggest fan but I feel that he has done more good than bad overall. And didn't Edmonton's tanking 5 years in a row teach anybody anything? Think they're winning a Cup anytime soon? I sure don't McDavid notwithstanding...

 

[geebaan]

Well at least you admit that you're pro-tank largely because you are anti-Benning. I'm not his biggest fan but I feel that he has done more good than bad overall. And didn't Edmonton's tanking 5 years in a row teach anybody anything? Think they're winning a Cup anytime soon? I sure don't McDavid notwithstanding...

I am so sick of hearing about Edmonton. They are the definition of just picking high every year, and still sucking ass, which is what we have done. What is your point? Chia pet can sure draft, he's done more good than bad overall.

 

[THE Green Man]

As other's have said already: priority number one is new management. That's the sundae. Having the young guys like Elias, Brock and Bo produce while playing competitive games is priority 2. That's the sauces. Drafting high again this year is priority 3 which obviously there is a little less control over. That's the cherry on top.

 

[DarrenX]

I feel that he has done more good than bad overall.

I think that's the point of disagreement between you and most of the other people in this thread. Most of us see precious little "good" that has been done (given the resources available to work with) and a lot of "bad".... and the results on the ice have reflected that.

 

[Melvin]

I am so sick of hearing about Edmonton. They are the definition of just picking high every year, and still sucking ass, which is what we have done. What is your point? Chia pet can sure draft, he's done more good than bad overall.

Appeal to Oilers is basically its own logical fallacy at this point.

 

[Svencouver]

I really just want ONE more high pick. Top 3 and a winger if possible. Bo's linemates are honestly just kinda depressing most of the time and I would love to round out our top 6 to give us two solid lines offense-wise.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Appeal to Oilers is basically its own logical fallacy at this point.

Except the Sabres and Coyotes have been tanking as long or longer than the Canucks and are currently considered two of the worst teams in the league. Appeal to the Leafs' success as proof of the effectiveness of tanking never seems to bother you.

 

[carrotshirt]

Except the Sabres and Coyotes have been tanking as long or longer than the Canucks and are currently considered two of the worst teams in the league. Appeal to the Leafs' success as proof of the effectiveness of tanking never seems to bother you.

Worked out pretty good for the Pens (twice) and the Hawks. There’s luck and skill involved, as there is with most things. Hopefully our new management has both on their side.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Worked out pretty good for the Pens (twice) and the Hawks. There’s luck and skill involved, as there is with most things. Hopefully our new management has both on their side.

All of those took place before the lottery system was instituted specifically to make tanking less effective, and were all contemporaneous with far more teams trying and failing to do the same thing. Did you not know that, not understand the relevance of it, or leave it out?

 

[carrotshirt]

Turns out there’s no reason to have a top 5 pick, move along everyone!

 

[Hit the post]

Except the Sabres and Coyotes have been tanking as long or longer than the Canucks and are currently considered two of the worst teams in the league.

Coyotes operate under a much different fiscal budget than a team like the Canucks. That's an added handicap for any GM.

 

[carrotshirt]

Quality post.

Can’t say I’ve seen anything with more substance and accuracy from you.

 

[Intangibos]

Do you understand why tanking is less likely to succeed now that it was when the examples you gave took place?

Do you understand that you're still more likely to succeed than sitting middle of the pack every year? How is Calgary doing?

 

[Melvin]

Except the Sabres and Coyotes have been tanking as long or longer than the Canucks and are currently considered two of the worst teams in the league. Appeal to the Leafs' success as proof of the effectiveness of tanking never seems to bother you.

The sabres just fired their gm and chayka has only been gm in Arizona for two seasons, also I think Arizona will be good this year.

Unlike other people I don't think it makes sense to spread philosophy across multiple front office regimes as if it is one continuous execution.

Like, is the point supposed to be that tanking never works or that it doesn't guarantee success? The former is clearly false because of the leafs under Shanahan and the latter isn't a point that's worth making.

 

[carrotshirt]

Do you understand why tanking is less likely to succeed now that it was when the examples you gave took place?

I do understand these factors. I also mentioned that luck and skill are factors. These also appear to be important elements that our management does not posess. Thus, tanking for new management and high picks seems like a fine strategy to me.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Do you understand that you're still more likely to succeed than sitting middle of the pack every year? How is Calgary doing?

Do you have any evidence of this? I mean, it's possible, but bo one here has ever offered any evidence beyond what you're doing, ie, anecdotally mentioning a single team.