We know Lou needs to go so I’m not even going to that at this point. You really think he should just accept a trade to accept a trade eventhough it makes no sense and does nothing for the Isles except move Brock off the roster? Yeah that’s a terrible thought process. For example, taking a cap dump with term and a pick for Brock just to move him and get a new face is how you wind up with a bigger group of misfits with an even worse future.
I mean Lambos and Peart were 1st and 2nd round picks respectively, the first you would be getting back in a trade for him is likely to be in that same ball park of player. I also haven’t seen that offer from anyone nor does it make any sense since the Wild have to do a cash in cash out trade due to cap constraints.
That would be like the Isles offering Wahlstrom and a 2nd last summer for Brock Nelson because Wally was a 1st. At this point Wally is a bust and the 2 Wild prospects are tracking towards career minor leaguer status. Ideally it would be a 1st (2025 preferred but no later then 2026) plus a respectable prospect with actual skillset to project into an NHL player (preferably not a 13F of 7D type).
No interest in paying that much and taking on Engvall…if Engvall is involved the price drops dramatically
Nelson scored 44 points at 5v5 last season, and 48 the year before. He's on pace for 46 this season.
Both are early 20’s defensemen with different skill sets and development paths, I think it’s far too early to say that both are outright busts, and the development staff for the Wild have been complimentary of their progress as well. I’ve never seen you post about either player before this, so I’m inclined to believe you are probably just not very familiar with either, which is totally understandable. Both are question marks for sure, but neither projects as a bottom pair or 7D by play style, they are much more boom or bust kind of top 4 puck movers.
I don't think they'd be opposed to trading for a recent draft pick that's progressed reasonably well, might end up being preferable given our prospect situation.
I value Cowan to a 15th-20th overall pick. Defintley ahead of most late round picks. I'd offer Cowan for Nelson straight up, or if they don't want Cowan I'd offer a a 1st + 2nd.
It’s not so much being offended over is just more so if teams are offering better quality prospects, I’d expect other teams to be able to up the offer. Boom or bust reminds me of a team trading for Wahlstrom or Bellows when the Isles still had them because they were both 1sf rounders with “nhl caliber shots”.
Look at previous trade threads involving Isles players, it’s usually some form of a 1st that’s offset with a career minor leaguer and a roster player who’s a cap dump with term. Outside of the 1st, the other 2 assets are just roster wastes honestly. It’s a $1 for a half dollar, dime and nickel type of trade. Would you for example take a 1st, Nick Robertson or David Kampf and Nick Abruzzese for Brock? That’s realistically what I’m getting at when I’m saying people just accepting an offer to accept it. I’m not worried about it being a fair offer but you know Lou won’t fold from his asking price, whatever that might be. As for pending UFAs, he most likely has a contract drawn up for all of them if they’d like to sign and come back next season and beyond. If they want to accept it, that’s between the players and Lou.
This is pretty much exactly right, and likely why you haven't seen MN fans offering much of substance, making a deal work this season would require jumping through a ton of hoops and they are in a much better position to try and sign him in the summer for nothing but cash. So it seems you follow the logic on why MN fans would not be putting forth strong offers in these topics, so why then would you ridicule a fan base as a whole for taking the logical approach in Value of threads?
Those aren’t the type of prospects the Isles would be looking to get back, especially two left-handed defensemen.
The Toews trade happened because he had no takers on Leddy without attaching something of substantial value in addition. I’m not expecting a 1st and Cole Eiserman in return for him at all but I am expecting something better then a 1st and Loic Leduc in return for him but somehow he’s not worth it from what we’ve seen. The only way I see Lou taking that 2nd and B prospect is if both him and Patty value said player extremely high. Ideally a sneaky find like how they took Simon Holmstrom essentially somewhat off the board. I think that’s similar to how NJ drafted Travis Zajac at the time. He was injured and not scouted much throughout the year which turned into Lou being able to grab him at the time pretty low in the 1st round.
I follow the logic but we’ve seen a few Wild fans not grasp that the Isles don’t want a package of nickels and pennies for a $5 bill. The last time they did that was the Michael Grabner to Toronto for 5 prospects and the only one that lasted with them at the time was Christopher Gibson as an AHL goalie for a few seasons. Carter Verhaghe was in that package but at the time he was just a mediocre minor leaguer who didn’t quiet blossom into what he is today as a player.
I don’t expect him to go to to MN. My guess was going to be NJ until the Hughes injury, but if he’s not coming back then you probably don’t spend the assets on Nelson this year.
Is the price of the Brock conceivably… 2 firsts now?
