GDT: Preseason Game #2 Utah @ Bluesy

[joe galiba]

Jarmo left after the 2010 season, so none of Parayko, Binnington, or Dunn were his picks. AFAIR he wasn’t at the draft table for the Schwartz/Tarasenko draft either, but he gets partial credit for being on the scouting department that year either way.

There were a lot of really deep drafts between 03-10, and he never had a single one without muffing a gimme pick. Shawn Belle at 30th overall in 03 set us back years, imo. He had 24 non-1st round top-100 picks in his tenure, and only hit on 4: Backes, Allen, Bishop, and Soderberg, who never played a game for us. 5 if you count Lehtera. That’s abysmal value for the draft positions he was gifted.

Edit: not to mention that if he drafted Cory Schneider instead of Marek Schwarz then we don’t have to waste assets on Halak or Ryan Miller. The goalie carousel of the mid-2000s - late teens gets avoided entirely.

if he didn’t draft Schwartz, then we probably don’t wind up with Binny and a Cup

maybe Jarmo was a visionary

 

[Thallis]

Jarmo left after the 2010 season, so none of Parayko, Binnington, or Dunn were his picks. AFAIR he wasn’t at the draft table for the Schwartz/Tarasenko draft either, but he gets partial credit for being on the scouting department that year either way.

There were a lot of really deep drafts between 03-10, and he never had a single one without muffing a gimme pick. Shawn Belle at 30th overall in 03 set us back years, imo. He had 24 non-1st round top-100 picks in his tenure, and only hit on 4: Backes, Allen, Bishop, and Soderberg, who never played a game for us. 5 if you count Lehtera. That’s abysmal value for the draft positions he was gifted.

Edit: not to mention that if he drafted Cory Schneider instead of Marek Schwarz then we don’t have to waste assets on Halak or Ryan Miller. The goalie carousel of the mid-2000s - late teens gets avoided entirely.

Yes those were specifically called out as core Bill Armstrong picks vs core Jarmo picks on the 2019 cup team. Schwartz and Tarasenko were considered his "parting gift to the Blues" so it's likely it was his team calling the shots there. It's incredibly easy to armchair quarterback on better individual picks in hindsight, but at the end of the day Backes, Allen, Bishop, Stempniak, Oshie, Perron, Berglund, EJ, Pietrangelo, Eller, Schwartz, and Tarasenko provided the asset foundation for the Blues throughout the 2010s. Those teams were pretty damn successful for such a short rebuild that he drafted through, and it eventually culminated in the cup.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

I did a post about this not too long ago - Jarmo did pretty well overall. Almost all of his first round picks played close to 1k games if I remember correctly, outside of Berglund. That's pretty damn good value, Shawn Belle aside.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Yes those were specifically called out as core Bill Armstrong picks vs core Jarmo picks on the 2019 cup team. Schwartz and Tarasenko were considered his "parting gift to the Blues" so it's likely it was his team calling the shots there. It's incredibly easy to armchair quarterback on better individual picks in hindsight, but at the end of the day Backes, Allen, Bishop, Stempniak, Oshie, Perron, Berglund, EJ, Pietrangelo, Eller, Schwartz, and Tarasenko provided the asset foundation for the Blues throughout the 2010s. Those teams were pretty damn successful for such a short rebuild that he drafted through, and it eventually culminated in the cup.

Yeah idk man, by that logic Mike Keenan and Ron Caron were crucial parts of our 2019 cup win. Jarmo had the benefit of the draft capital of a true rebuilding team, and squandered many of the most valuable of those pieces. We lost to the Hawks and Kings over and over because they were getting guys outside of the first round and in the top-100. We were relying on middling 1st rounders, and we kept having to supplement them with end-of-career FAs. Yes many of the first rounders were successful, but that isn’t and hasn’t ever been enough.

Also let’s not discount the effect that Hitch’s system had on those team’s success. The *only* 70+ point player we had in those years was Brad Boyes, who Jarmo didn’t draft. It took Jarmo almost 10 years to draft someone with that level of production, and that was (arguably) his last act before being canned.

 

[Thallis]

Yeah idk man, by that logic Mike Keenan and Ron Caron were crucial parts of our 2019 cup win.

What

Jarmo had the benefit of the draft capital of a true rebuilding team, and squandered many of the most valuable of those pieces. We lost to the Hawks and Kings over and over because they were getting guys outside of the first round and in the top-100. We were relying on middling 1st rounders, and we kept having to supplement them with end-of-career FAs. Yes many of the first rounders were successful, but that isn’t and hasn’t ever been enough.

Jarmo had 2 top 10 picks. The Blackhawks had their top 2 forwards in the top 3, found a Norris trophy defenseman in the second round and is a destination for free agents. LA is a destination that their 2C essentially forced himself to be traded to.

The draft capital of a true rebuilding team was a 1st overall who blew out his knee in a freak accident and a 4th overall defender who might be having a hall of fame career. The rest of the team was built from the middle/lower portions of the first round of the draft. These areas are not gimmes. Our rebuild was shorter and we didn't have the benefit for being a premier market that the teams you're comparing us to do. We were at a disadvantage from the outset.

Also let’s not discount the effect that Hitch’s system had on those team’s success. The *only* 70+ point player we had in those years was Brad Boyes, who Jarmo didn’t draft. It took Jarmo almost 10 years to draft someone with that level of production, and that was (arguably) his last act before being canned.

Jamie Benn won the rocket with 85 points in that era. Kopitar was LA's only 70 point player. You're going through as many hoops as you can to avoid giving credit where it is do. Jarmo did a good job with the rebuild. He was a poor GM in Columbus, but that doesn't effect his work with the Blues.