GDT: Preseason Game 04 - Winnipeg Jets @ Minnesota Wild - Friday, September 27th, 2024 - 7:00pm CDT - WinnipegJets.com - Power 97

[voyageur]

Not a popular opinion but he's not a centre short term or long. They need to play their 2nd line against calgary. And that's nemestikov at centre

I got to watch the game in replay on You Tube, well all but the first 10 minutes. And I wouldn't say that based off this one game. He had troubles on the draw, he had troubles in d-zone coverage, that definitely stood out, but Eriksson-Ek in particular is not an easy player to play against. The best player on his line was Iafallo. Perfetti looked rusty.

Take the L, but bounce back.

I'd keep Chibrikov and Yager for the last week, maybe 18 forwards, down to the wire. Yager looks poised, looked like a young Bryan Little on those draws. Other than the PP shorty he was pretty good positionally.

I don't think you really have to assess Shaw, Toninato, AJF, more than you already did. Torgersson didn't get to play in this game, and that's unfortunate, but he should probably be cut then.

Barlow is an obvious cut, but he didn't play terrible, made some offensive zone plays, and d-zone plays. His turnover in the d-zone though, was what separated a back and forth one goal game that was close until then.

Kupari losing d-zone draws to NHL centres didn't help his cause, just like Lambert's, but I think you bounce back with him too. You notice he didn't dangle anyone out there, because the talent level he played against was superior.

I think the defense is the part that worries me. Samberg looked soft out there. Miller got caught out of position on a couple of occasions. Fleury I'd say was passable, looked mobile at times. But those are the likely bottom 3, unless Lundmark does something special in Calgary.

I'd say that Salomonsson had a better game than Coghlan, and got some looks against Kaprizov's line, so I wonder if that carries him into the last week of camp...Kuzmin and Bauer are for sure going back to the Moose. Coghlan is likely too, unless he has some vet card to play.

That 2nd period was a forgettable one, Arniel might as well throw the video out.

Don't sleep on Minnesota though, I think Bill Guerin is building a pretty solid team...They have had more draft picks than the Jets in recent years, and more in the top 64 range too, got to see a few of those guys. That Khusnutdinov kid had a helluva a game on the PK. Ohgren came from the Fiala trade, along with Faber. Lambos looked pretty good out there.

 

[surixon]

I got to watch the game in replay on You Tube, well all but the first 10 minutes. And I wouldn't say that based off this one game. He had troubles on the draw, he had troubles in d-zone coverage, that definitely stood out, but Eriksson-Ek in particular is not an easy player to play against. The best player on his line was Iafallo. Perfetti looked rusty.

Take the L, but bounce back.

I'd keep Chibrikov and Yager for the last week, maybe 18 forwards, down to the wire. Yager looks poised, looked like a young Bryan Little on those draws. Other than the PP shorty he was pretty good positionally.

I don't think you really have to assess Shaw, Toninato, AJF, more than you already did. Torgersson didn't get to play in this game, and that's unfortunate, but he should probably be cut then.

Barlow is an obvious cut, but he didn't play terrible, made some offensive zone plays, and d-zone plays. His turnover in the d-zone though, was what separated a back and forth one goal game that was close until then.

Kupari losing d-zone draws to NHL centres didn't help his cause, just like Lambert's, but I think you bounce back with him too. You notice he didn't dangle anyone out there, because the talent level he played against was superior.

I think the defense is the part that worries me. Samberg looked soft out there. Miller got caught out of position on a couple of occasions. Fleury I'd say was passable, looked mobile at times. But those are the likely bottom 3, unless Lundmark does something special in Calgary.

I'd say that Salomonsson had a better game than Coghlan, and got some looks against Kaprizov's line, so I wonder if that carries him into the last week of camp...Kuzmin and Bauer are for sure going back to the Moose. Coghlan is likely too, unless he has some vet card to play.

That 2nd period was a forgettable one, Arniel might as well throw the video out.

Don't sleep on Minnesota though, I think Bill Guerin is building a pretty solid team...They have had more draft picks than the Jets in recent years, and more in the top 64 range too, got to see a few of those guys tonight. That Khusnutdinov kid had a helluva a game on the PK. Ohgren came from the Fiala trade, along with Faber. Lambos looked pretty good out there.

Could you post the YouTube link please.

 

[voyageur]

Could you post the YouTube link please.

 

[Jet]

I would be concerned about our D, whatever you may think of Stanley or Heinola one of them was going to be our 6th and I'm not sure we have a capable 6th out of this bunch atm

Well at least the tradition of shitting on our depth defensemen will remain strong!

Where would we be without our Stan's, Ellerbys, Chiarots and Postmas?

 

[Jet]

I like him but man, he needs more speed. I see him currently projecting as a middle 6 with power play time. If he improves his skating and adds speed, sky could be the limit.

every game I’ve watched including Penticton, Chibi has been one of the best players. Love his game, he’s ALWAYS around it, an absolute pest and is something we sorely lack.

While I don’t think it happens, I’d move AI and his 4M cap hit to make room for him. I think he’s been THAT good.

I keep pumping up Chibi - I think he has a good shot of becoming a regular this year. He has such a pro game, the skills and he's tenacious.

 

[surixon]

I keep pumping up Chibi - I think he has a good shot of becoming a regular this year. He has such a pro game, the skills and he's tenacious.

Perrault the second coming hopefully. He's got that combo of skill and tenacity.

 

[voyageur]

Well at least the tradition of shitting on our depth defensemen will remain strong!

Where would we be without our Stan's, Ellerbys, Chiarots and Postmas?

I think the biggest positive in this game was Salomonsson's play. He didn't look out of place. His reads were a lot better. Defensively stronger for the most part, I think there was one play where Barron bailed him out, but I'd take that as a positive step forward.

I keep pumping up Chibi - I think he has a good shot of becoming a regular this year. He has such a pro game, the skills and he's tenacious.

I agree that he has a good chance of making the NHL this year. Wouldn't mind seeing him sticking around to start the season. 14th forward is probably Chibrikov vs JAD after Lambert had a bit of a setback game. But unless Miller gets dropped from the PP, I don't see where he would contribute immediately. Iafallo, Appleton and Barron didn't do anything negative to get bumped from the lineup. If Kupari isn't the 4C, Gustafsson probably is.

 

[ThinIce61]

So Helleboi was in peak playoff form I see.

 

[WolfHouse]

Watching the highlights...

Did not expect samberg-pionk to look that bad... hopefully thats one game but holy they were goats .. what excuse will we find for pionk this year

Thought our young guys were the ones getting abused but its our legit bottom six guys...

That PK is now not just a collapsing box - its a collapsing box watching the puck and skating away from the slot

100% i give helle a pass on this one - structure was garbage

Millers shot is so nice - id legit put him on pp1 with morrissey

 

[voyageur]

Watching the highlights...

Did not expect samberg-pionk to look that bad... hopefully thats one game but holy they were goats .. what excuse will we find for pionk this year

Thought our young guys were the ones getting abused but its our legit bottom six guys...

That PK is now not just a collapsing box - its a collapsing box watching the puck and skating away from the slot

100% i give helle a pass on this one - structure was garbage

Millers shot is so nice - id legit put him on pp1 with morrissey

That's the great part about watching hockey. Everybody sees it different. I saw two goals go in on Samberg's side of the ice. Both occasions where if he played the body there is no scoring chance. Pionk's worst goal was the SH one, which was a tough play, and the guy supporting him (Chibrikov) lost a one on one battle.

The other shorty started when Miller got caught behind the goal line. And the 3-2 goal Miller got beat off the boards, giving up a 2-1, that Fleury broke up, but didn't recover from.

At least we can agree PK is not very good so far.

 

[raideralex99]

Thanks .. the second period showed what's wrong with the Jets .... their D is puck watching instead of taking out the man in front of the net or off to the side but Helly is the one that gets the blame.
I don't know if its the coaching or their defense is soft but that's the reason why the Jets get bounced in the first round. Greasy goals is what wins in the playoffs and the opposing teams seem to have no problem standing around Helly waiting for a loose puck or screening the goalie.
It's only pre-season so hopefully that will change.
Hard to judge rookies on the screen & pre-season but I saw some nice plays bright future for a couple of them. I don't expect them to make the opening season starting line up but for sure they will be called up in the second half or sooner if there's injuries.
Go Jets Go

 

[AlaskaJet]

I give up. Shouldn't have to be a rocket surgeon to watch a hockey game

“Rocket Surgeon”..
I like that.

 

[surixon]

That's the great part about watching hockey. Everybody sees it different. I saw two goals go in on Samberg's side of the ice. Both occasions where if he played the body there is no scoring chance. Pionk's worst goal was the SH one, which was a tough play, and the guy supporting him (Chibrikov) lost a one on one battle.

The other shorty started when Miller got caught behind the goal line. And the 3-2 goal Miller got beat off the boards, giving up a 2-1, that Fleury broke up, but didn't recover from.

At least we can agree PK is not very good so far.

Most teams PK's aren't good yet. Special teams largely take a back seat until near the end of camp/period before 1st game.

 

[WolfHouse]

Most teams PK's aren't good yet. Special teams largely take a back seat until near the end of camp/period before 1st game.

We did just spend an entire practice focused on special teams right before this game though

 

[Buffdog]

We did just spend an entire practice focused on special teams right before this game though

Today Arniel said that that's the plan again for tomorrow

 

[WolfHouse]

Today Arniel said that that's the plan again for tomorrow

I know its preseason - but the way Kupari, AJF, Toninato were abused on the PK was concerning... nothing should be changing that much from the last couple years...

 

[Buffdog]

I know its preseason - but the way Kupari, AJF, Toninato were abused on the PK was concerning... nothing should be changing that much from the last couple years...

I'll wait until 1/3 of the way through the season to judge any tweaks to special teams. It's one thing to install new personnel and wrinkles in practice, but another to get those changes up to speed in games

 

[WolfHouse]

I'll wait until 1/3 of the way through the season to judge any tweaks to special teams. It's one thing to install new personnel and wrinkles in practice, but another to get those changes up to speed in games

Again this is my point - it was all the same personnel... like if scheif and connor got caught puck watching id actually let it slide...

But our HC was in charge of the PK and it was all our 'go to' guys in the lineup... not panicking - just saying it was surprising

 

[Buffdog]

Again this is my point - it was all the same personnel... like if scheif and connor got caught puck watching id actually let it slide...

But our HC was in charge of the PK and it was all our 'go to' guys in the lineup... not panicking - just saying it was surprising

Arniel is on record saying that Connor, Schief and maybe Ehlers will be doing some of the PK duties this year

I think last game was just a matter of the personnel he had to work with that night

 

[surixon]

It will take a lot of practices and reps to get the special teams down.

I'll be concerned if it's the same old same old 1/4 of the way through the season.

 

[WolfHouse]

Arniel is on record saying that Connor, Schief and maybe Ehlers will be doing some of the PK duties this year

I think last game was just a matter of the personnel he had to work with that night

Again your in redundant argument mode.

My point is that the 'personnel he had to work with' last night have been some of our best PK guys for the last two years.

Also Ehlers is our best forward. Discuss.

 

[Buffdog]

Again your in redundant argument mode.

My point is that the 'personnel he had to work with' last night have been some of our best PK guys for the last two years.

Also Ehlers is our best forward. Discuss.

*you're

I'm not arguing. I'm just suggesting that judging the PK changes made in one practice based on one preseason game that involved personnel that won't be killing penalties this season is kind of pointless

Ehlers is our best forward at certain things, but not others. Whether he's our best overall forward is a matter of opinion. If it's your opinion that he is, then who am I to argue with where you place value

 

[WolfHouse]

*you're

I'm not arguing. I'm just suggesting that judging the PK changes made in one practice based on one preseason game that involved personnel that won't be killing penalties this season is kind of pointless

Ehlers is our best forward at certain things, but not others. Whether he's our best overall forward is a matter of opinion. If it's your opinion that he is, then who am I to argue with where you place value

The 'you're' comment on a forum where most responses are typed on a phone clearly illustrates my point that youve drifted into this arguing for the sake of arguibg/straw man phase again... have fun with it