Value of: Preds/ Isles 1st Round Pick Swap

[AintLifeGrand]

facts:

If the islanders want Hagens, would be poor asset mgmt to draft him at 1

Sharks, Hawks, Utes do not need a player of Hagens’ ilk and will most likely go after Frondell, Martone , Desnoyers etc if Misa if off the board

Therefore it makes sense to pick up remaining assets via a trade with Nashville who need a player like Misa at 1st overall , with minimal risk to losing their hometown guy

Would 5th + 26th overall + Teddy Stiga move the needle ?

 

[Djp]

facts:

If the islanders want Hagens, would be poor asset mgmt to draft him at 1

Sharks, Hawks, Utes do not need a player of Hagens’ ilk and will most likely go after Frondell, Martone , Desnoyers etc if Misa if off the board

Therefore it makes sense to pick up remaining assets via a trade with Nashville who need a player like Misa at 1st overall , with minimal risk to losing their hometown guy

Would 5th + 26th overall + Teddy Stiga move the needle ?

Why should nashville do this when there isn't much differences in the 4 F

 

[AintLifeGrand]

Why should nashville do this when there isn't much differences in the 4 F

Hagens is most likely going to drop to 5 OA

Hagens’ profile doesn’t seem to align with Trotz’ philosophy / vibe

The opportunity to draft a potential #1 center in Misa is a generational and potentially franchise altering opportunity for a club that has always been starved of blue chip offensive talent

 

[Soundgarden]

Isles should just be smart and draft Schaefer if he's their BPA. Hometown kid is a nice story, but Hagens is a tier below Schaefer/Misa.

 

[matt trick]

You’d have to believe that Hagens was the best player in the draft; and yet somehow also be confident that no one would jump up to 3rd/4th to steal him from you. If NYI want Hagens, I’d say there is a 90+% chance they can get him at 3, and 70% chance they can get him at four (don’t see Chicago willing to drop out of the top 5, but Nash could maybe steal him by swapping and leaving Desnoyers or Frondell).

Could you imagine dropping from 1 to 5 to grab the home town kid, only to lose him at 4, and exchange you for Stiga and a late first?

NSH is likely going to get their best or second best center ever in Hagens or Desnoyers, just do that.

 

[Djp]

Hagens is most likely going to drop to 5 OA

Hagens’ profile doesn’t seem to align with Trotz’ philosophy / vibe

The opportunity to draft a potential #1 center in Misa is a generational and potentially franchise altering opportunity for a club that has always been starved of blue chip offensive talent

Why does nashville need to give up that if Isles want hagens so badly.

 

[SI90]

Starting to feel like there’s a good chance, Hagens will be an Islander whether its him refusing to sign with the team that draft him so he can sign as a college free agent or down the line when he becomes a free agent in the NHl. All the things he said, you can tell what it means to him that he wants to be an islander so bad. To me the better asset management is to take the best player available and more rare type player in Matthew Schaefer, and then take the gamble that eventually Hagens we’ll join the Islanders. Even if it’s a small chance, it’s still a real possibility it happens. Not to mention besides him being from Long Island and loving the Islanders and having his family here he’s extremely close to the islanders current top prospect Cole Eiserman.


I think the world of Havens and not because he’s from Long Island, which makes me wanna route harder for him but I do believe he’s worthy your first overall. The problem is in this NHL. It’s a lot harder to find a Cale Makar Miro Heiskannen type def defenseman. If you have the opportunity to draft one, you take it.

 

[boredmale]

Why does nashville need to give up that if Isles want hagens so badly.

How bad would they want Misa or Schaeffer who will not be around come spot 5 even if the Islanders take Hagens #1

All that being said, I am not surprised if Hagens drops to 5th but their is always a chance Utah or Chicago see him as best player available and take him even if you can point to something like Chicago already having a bunch of small centers

 

[Thrasymachus]

facts:

If the islanders want Hagens, would be poor asset mgmt to draft him at 1

Sharks, Hawks, Utes do not need a player of Hagens’ ilk and will most likely go after Frondell, Martone , Desnoyers etc if Misa if off the board

Therefore it makes sense to pick up remaining assets via a trade with Nashville who need a player like Misa at 1st overall , with minimal risk to losing their hometown guy

Would 5th + 26th overall + Teddy Stiga move the needle ?

I think Darche has been pretty emphatic about not making a trade unless it blows him away.

The bind he is in is that he is a brand new GM. If he makes this deal, I don't know if Isles fans would be thrilled. The only way he trades the pick is if it is for immediate talent that is exciting to the fans.

Starting to feel like there’s a good chance, Hagens will be an Islander whether its him refusing to sign with the team that draft him so he can sign as a college free agent or down the line when he becomes a free agent in the NHl. All the things he said, you can tell what it means to him that he wants to be an islander so bad. To me the better asset management is to take the best player available and more rare type player in Matthew Schaefer, and then take the gamble that eventually Hagens we’ll join the Islanders. Even if it’s a small chance, it’s still a real possibility it happens. Not to mention besides him being from Long Island and loving the Islanders and having his family here he’s extremely close to the islanders current top prospect Cole Eiserman.


I think the world of Havens and not because he’s from Long Island, which makes me wanna route harder for him but I do believe he’s worthy your first overall. The problem is in this NHL. It’s a lot harder to find a Cale Makar Miro Heiskannen type def defenseman. If you have the opportunity to draft one, you take it.

I am sure making money and playing professional hockey trumps his desire to play for his hometown club. But if you were right, I would not complain.

 

[SI90]

I think Darche has been pretty emphatic about not making a trade unless it blows him away.

The bind he is in is that he is a brand new GM. If he makes this deal, I don't know if Isles fans would be thrilled. The only way he trades the pick is if it is for immediate talent that is exciting to the fans.


I am sure making money and playing professional hockey trumps his desire to play for his hometown club. But if you were right, I would not complain.

Absolutely. But the avenue is there should he choose to go down that path. He can control his future. If it means that much to him he can become an islander regardless of who drafts him. I understand the likelihood isn’t great but it’s certainly a possibility.

 

[Sparksrus3]

facts:

If the islanders want Hagens, would be poor asset mgmt to draft him at 1

Sharks, Hawks, Utes do not need a player of Hagens’ ilk and will most likely go after Frondell, Martone , Desnoyers etc if Misa if off the board

Therefore it makes sense to pick up remaining assets via a trade with Nashville who need a player like Misa at 1st overall , with minimal risk to losing their hometown guy

Would 5th + 26th overall + Teddy Stiga move the needle ?

Islanders don’t do well picking 5th.. Anything but 5th

 

[Thrasymachus]

Islanders don’t do well picking 5th.. Anything but 5th

Hey now, Nino is an amazing player, just not for the Islanders

 

[Fatass]

facts:

If the islanders want Hagens, would be poor asset mgmt to draft him at 1

Sharks, Hawks, Utes do not need a player of Hagens’ ilk and will most likely go after Frondell, Martone , Desnoyers etc if Misa if off the board

Therefore it makes sense to pick up remaining assets via a trade with Nashville who need a player like Misa at 1st overall , with minimal risk to losing their hometown guy

Would 5th + 26th overall + Teddy Stiga move the needle ?

It’s not a fact when you begin with “if”.
Schaefer is this era’s (potentially) Potvin. The Islanders aren’t trading the chance to draft a guy like that. These types of D men are too rare.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Why does nashville need to give up that if Isles want hagens so badly.

Huh? If Nashville wants Misa they will 100% have to move up. There is zero chance he is available at 5

 

[Prairie Habs]

Starting to feel like there’s a good chance, Hagens will be an Islander whether its him refusing to sign with the team that draft him so he can sign as a college free agent or down the line when he becomes a free agent in the NHl. All the things he said, you can tell what it means to him that he wants to be an islander so bad. To me the better asset management is to take the best player available and more rare type player in Matthew Schaefer, and then take the gamble that eventually Hagens we’ll join the Islanders. Even if it’s a small chance, it’s still a real possibility it happens. Not to mention besides him being from Long Island and loving the Islanders and having his family here he’s extremely close to the islanders current top prospect Cole Eiserman.


I think the world of Havens and not because he’s from Long Island, which makes me wanna route harder for him but I do believe he’s worthy your first overall. The problem is in this NHL. It’s a lot harder to find a Cale Makar Miro Heiskannen type def defenseman. If you have the opportunity to draft one, you take it.

Wouldn't Hagens leaving the team that drafted him for the team he grew up cheering for make him literal scum?

 

[Grinner]

It’s not a fact when you begin with “if”.
Schaefer is this era’s (potentially) Potvin. The Islanders aren’t trading the chance to draft a guy like that. These types of D men are too rare.

and then you offer up 3 opinions of your own

 

[miscs75]

Islanders don’t do well picking 5th.. Anything but 5th

Hey, MDC was a consensus top 5 pick that year.

 

[SI90]

Wouldn't Hagens leaving the team that drafted him for the team he grew up cheering for make him literal scum?

Is Adam Fox considered literal scum?

 

[Prairie Habs]

Is Adam Fox considered literal scum?

Fox is more in a PLD situation where both forced 2 trades to get to a place where they wanted to be.

The situation you're describing for Hagens is more of a Tavares type thing. Any opinions on him?

 

[miscs75]

Fox is more in a PLD situation where both forced 2 trades to get to a place where they wanted to be.

The situation you're describing for Hagens is more of a Tavares type thing. Any opinions on him?

Fox said he was signing with the Rangers nomatter if you trade him or not so he forced their hand to make it happen.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I don't think the Isles (and their new smart GM) care one bit if Hagens used to have NY Islanders bedsheets or whatever? It's cute that the fans talk about a prospect who was a fan of the team growing up, but in reality it has ZERO bearing on the NHL Entry Draft.

So the Isles don't care about Hagens. They are absolutely thrilled to be picking #1 and getting Schaefer.

Now, just coincidentally, at the same time, the Predators happen to want a Center... and they are going to have some number of Hagens, Frondell, McQueen, and Desnoyers available to them at #5 anyway. So the Preds also have no incentive to even TRY to pay a big premium to move up in the draft. The Preds will get their 2nd or 3rd choice probably just by standing pat at #5, they don't need to pay an exorbitant price to try to move any higher.

 

[Drake1588]

If you're the NYI... well, you almost certainly value Schaefer the highest, and if you don't, then you almost certainly have Misa on a tier all his own at #2.

If you don't, though, and Hagens is your guy, you still can't make this trade. There's too great a risk that Hagens goes before the #5 pick. No certainty, of course, but risk.

Most of the time, when a trade is all about drafting one guy, you agree to the terms of the trade in advance but you don't actually phone in the trade until the pick is on the board. Yet the core of the return here is an even earlier pick. So you can't wait until #5 to make the trade. You have to gamble that he drops to you, and that's not a risk you can afford.

The NYI are taking the elite D anyway. There's evident separation in just about everyone's eyes and it's a position of need for the Isles on their timeline, just like it is for everyone else.

 

[Fatass]

and then you offer up 3 opinions of your own

Which I’m not conveying as fact. The facts are the Islanders drafted Potvin 1OA out of the OHL 50 years ago. Another fact is he was their anchor on D to a dynasty. Now they have a chance to draft another OHL D 1OA. Both Ontario boys too. Another fact is several GMs, including Sam Pollok, were trying to pry that 1OA pick loose, so they could select the D man with such a high ceiling.
It’s, of course, an opinion that Schaefer will reach the ceiling that Potvin did. But to give up on that opportunity, imo, would be a major mistake by the islanders. They held fast 50 years ago, and they should do the same now. Draft the D man with the elite ceiling.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Fox said he was signing with the Rangers nomatter if you trade him or not so he forced their hand to make it happen.

Yes, if you read my post you quoted I said he forced 2 trades. Those trades are to what you are referring.

Again, though, I ask what is the difference between what was described as a possibility for Hagens (jumping from his draft team to sign with his childhood team) is any different than what Tavares did.

 

[Grinner]

Which I’m not conveying as fact. The facts are the Islanders drafted Potvin 1OA out of the OHL 50 years ago. Another fact is he was their anchor on D to a dynasty. Now they have a chance to draft another OHL D 1OA. Both Ontario boys too. Another fact is several GMs, including Sam Pollok, were trying to pry that 1OA pick loose, so they could select the D man with such a high ceiling.
It’s, of course, an opinion that Schaefer will reach the ceiling that Potvin did. But to give up on that opportunity, imo, would be a major mistake by the islanders. They held fast 50 years ago, and they should do the same now. Draft the D man with the elite ceiling.

Sure you are.