Dr John Carlson
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Spots still open? I've never done an ATD because of the time commitment, but I would try to make the time to do an early era version. Very interested.
Spots still open? I've never done an ATD because of the time commitment, but I would try to make the time to do an early era version. Very interested.
Yes! Welcome aboard!
What will be your team name?
I took a look at 1914 births, sorted by GP to get the most prominent ones at the top, checked the top 6, and all of them are predominantly pre-ww2. One is even exclusively pre-ww2 (bucko). Broda is 7&7. Most are about 70-30 to 80-20.
I don't think we need to include every birth year where the players are 50/50 or higher. And I realize there has to be a cut off somewhere. But if we included the 1914 births, approximately 75% of the seasons played by those players would be prior to the end of ww2.
I also just took a look at the 1915 births, and the 10 players with the most games played from that birth year have 66 seasons prior to the end of ww2, and 18 after. Brimsek (one of the two most prominent names along with apps) is 5&5, which is the only player with a remotely even breakdown. It's 61 and 13 if you exclude him. A couple didn't even play after WW2 at all.
I could have sworn apps played until 1951, my comment about him yesterday was based on that bad assumption.
Same analysis of 1916 births is 51 NHL seasons played before/during WW2, 48 after. A stark difference. Crawford/Pratt/Mac Colville/Armstrong combine for 28-11, the other 6 are 23-37. If we cut off 1916, I would still feel like those two defense men in particular should have been included but for the most part their birth year can be tossed out without ruining the spirit of it.
1917 births is a wasteland with only two worthy players and they're 5&7 & 5&5. Can easily toss. 1918 was a big year for big names, but there's zero argument for including any of them.
AgreedRegardless, I feel like we’re running the risk of overcomplicating this and we should try to come to a decision soon.
Okay, that's a thing, but I don't see why it should be seen as a good or a bad thing, it's simply a consequence of how many players are in the pool and how many teams we are drafting. Certainly not a reason to include or exclude any year.Including both Broda and Brimsek would completely change the goalie market, and IMO not in a good way. Too much spoils.
Let's say we stick at 9 teams.
(Not necessarily how I rank them but how they usually go):
Cutoff at 1913:
Vézina
Gardiner
Benedict
Lehman
Worters
Hainsworth
Thompson
Holmes
Lesueur
Cutoff at 1916:
Brimsek
Vézina
Gardiner
Broda
Benedict
Lehman
Worters
Hainsworth
Thompson/Holmes/Lesueur
With the 1913 cutoff there's a steeper drop start to finish, and real pressure to pick a goalie at any point of the draft. With the 1916 cutoff it doesn't really matter whether you pick any of the Top 5-6 goalies.
With centers too, including Apps Sr. would add yet another center in the range of F. Boucher, Taylor, Lalonde, Malone.
Perhaps an odd question. Can someone be drafted separately as a player and as a coach?
Art Ross is getting taken on the Blue line. Does that mean he can't coach? Can we do player coaches?
Perhaps an odd question. Can someone be drafted separately as a player and as a coach?
Art Ross is getting taken on the Blue line. Does that mean he can't coach? Can we do player coaches?
Another question: since this is an era-specific exercise, will we be operating under era-specific rules, most notably the red line? Or are we transporting these dudes to the modern ruleset?