Post-Game Talk: Pre-season Game 5 - Jets at Flames - 8:00 pm CT - TSN3

[Oilpeg]

He's 25 years old now. I know that most d-men mature slower than forwards, but if you're not an NHLer at 25, the clock becomes a big factor.

Poolman is a late bloomer, the conventional wisdom shouldn't be applied to his trajectory. When most guys were already sophomores in college he was still playing in the USHL. He developed late, but everywhere he's played he's gotten better and better as he got more comfortable. He's going to be alright.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I may have been a bit harsh on Chiarot, if he's a sheltered 3rd pairing d-man or #7, he's not going to hurt you too much.

He too had a decent stretch with Buff (Buff drags everyone he plays with up), but relying on him all year to be a top 4 d-man is a horrid idea. I'd rather give a chance to someone who has actually shown potential to be something more than a bottom pairing guy.

Agree that he has no business in the top 4. Although ......... he might be better with Buff than Myers. But I guess that would be damning with faint praise.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Putting's tough, let's just go for the hole in one every time

3v3 OT is funny. When it first started I expected a very dynamic game. Unfortunately the NHL quickly figured out that it was all about possession and setting up that one great shot.

What's really funny is that we should start our best FO man. Obvious reasons. Plus our fastest, most creative player. Also obvious reasons. And finally, our top sniper. Again, obvious. But that would mean going with ELL and everyone knows how terrible they are together! Little wins the FO. Gets it to Ehlers, who skates rings around the opposing net until Laine can get in position to end it.

 

[Daximus]

He's 25 years old now. I know that most d-men mature slower than forwards, but if you're not an NHLer at 25, the clock becomes a big factor.

I agree. I just don't see it. There was a lot of hype coming in and I think some are still clinging to that but he has not performed up to a replacement level d in my eyes. Maybe stats say differently but I just don't see it.

 

[Tommigun]

3v3 OT is funny. When it first started I expected a very dynamic game. Unfortunately the NHL quickly figured out that it was all about possession and setting up that one great shot.

What's really funny is that we should start our best FO man. Obvious reasons. Plus our fastest, most creative player. Also obvious reasons. And finally, our top sniper. Again, obvious. But that would mean going with ELL and everyone knows how terrible they are together! Little wins the FO. Gets it to Ehlers, who skates rings around the opposing net until Laine can get in position to end it.

 

[DashingDane]

3v3 OT is funny. When it first started I expected a very dynamic game. Unfortunately the NHL quickly figured out that it was all about possession and setting up that one great shot.

What's really funny is that we should start our best FO man. Obvious reasons. Plus our fastest, most creative player. Also obvious reasons. And finally, our top sniper. Again, obvious. But that would mean going with ELL and everyone knows how terrible they are together! Little wins the FO. Gets it to Ehlers, who skates rings around the opposing net until Laine can get in position to end it.

That's perfect

If last season is anything to go by we should definitely start with one of the three players with most game winning goals on the team...

Laine 8 GWG
Ehlers 7 GWG
Connor 7 GWG

Closest players after is Scheifele and Myers with 3 GWG's each.

 

[Duke749]

I agree. I just don't see it. There was a lot of hype coming in and I think some are still clinging to that but he has not performed up to a replacement level d in my eyes. Maybe stats say differently but I just don't see it.

Don’t put too much stock into preseason

 

[Daximus]

Don’t put too much stock into preseason

I'm thinking back to last season as well. He never really impressed me. There are shutdown D that are waiver exempt that can chip in more more offensively and are younger than him that can be had for nothing but a claim every year. At this point we are just banking on him become a #8 at best at 25 years old.

 

[Duke749]

I'm thinking back to last season as well. He never really impressed me. There are shutdown D that are waiver exempt that can chip in more more offensively and are younger than him that can be had for nothing but a claim every year. At this point we are just banking on him become a #8 at best at 25 years old.

I think there may be a little potential still there to be a #6. Last year he was backup level but it was his first pro year. There should be a little bit of a learning curve. I could be wrong though.

 

[Daximus]

I think there may be a little potential still there to be a #6. Last year he was backup level but it was his first pro year. There should be a little bit of a learning curve. I could be wrong though.

There was with Tanev but Tanev still displayed a lot of tools that showed some promise early on. There was reason to be optimistic I just don't see it with Poolman. We can be patient for this year but if he cant find some sort of place in this league I wouldn't bring him back next year. 0.08 PPG doesn't scream backup level to me even. It shows he can barely defend and hes a black hole on offence.

 

[AlphaLackey]

3v3 OT is funny. When it first started I expected a very dynamic game. Unfortunately the NHL quickly figured out that it was all about possession and setting up that one great shot.

What's really funny is that we should start our best FO man. Obvious reasons.

A "best face-off man" who is a slow black hole would be a disaster. The variance in faceoffs is staggering, the element of skill incredibly small. Would you really put out Little instead of Schiefele for that extra +2% on faceoffs? Like literally, league-best faceoff gets you 60:40 at best, in most cases 55:45 is the top end.

You put out your best players all-around players out first, because you may not get a chance to put them out second. Keep the changes crisp. Then get lucky. Easy peasy

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

A "best face-off man" who is a slow black hole would be a disaster. The variance in faceoffs is staggering, the element of skill incredibly small. Would you really put out Little instead of Schiefele for that extra +2% on faceoffs? Like literally, league-best faceoff gets you 60:40 at best, in most cases 55:45 is the top end.

You put out your best players all-around players out first, because you may not get a chance to put them out second. Keep the changes crisp. Then get lucky. Easy peasy

May be easy peasy - but its not funny.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Just say CLT as a word. You don't want to rub these guys the wrong way.

 

[Ducky10]

Good at getting the puck out of his end. Most physical defenseman after Byfuglien. Biggest knock is that he doesn't use his shot enough.

He's not Bobby Orr. He plays to his strengths. Doesn't try too much.

This should not be the description for a top 6 NHL defenseman...……….not a good one anyway.

 

[Ducky10]

[QUOTE="Mortimer Snerd, post: 149901563, member: 229787"]Chiarot looked like a top 4 D when he played with Buff. I think he gets far too little respect here - and yes, I've seen the advanced stats. I think some people are just demanding too much from him. He is a lot better than Mark Stuart ever was.[/QUOTE]

1st bold, no, no he didn't, sorry.

2nd bold, that should never be the threshold.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

[QUOTE="Mortimer Snerd, post: 149901563, member: 229787"]Chiarot looked like a top 4 D when he played with Buff. I think he gets far too little respect here - and yes, I've seen the advanced stats. I think some people are just demanding too much from him. He is a lot better than Mark Stuart ever was.

1st bold, no, no he didn't, sorry.

2nd bold, that should never be the threshold. [/QUOTE]

1st bold, that was certainly the dominant opinion here at the time. Are yopy forgetting, or revising?

2nd bold, right it shouldn't. Just pointing out that there are worse D men playing regularly. If you want someone more current, there is Kris Russell. I'm picking some extreme examples but there are others.

 

[JetsFan815]

Bit late to the party but overall thoughts on the game:

Loved CLT line, look like in midseason form already. They have been the best forward line for the Jets this preseason.

Liked Roslovic and Ehlers on the 2nd line. Lemieux didn't really do much out there.

Dano got shafted with Usaski on his line who I don't even know is going to be a good AHL player. He did good things on the ice in the 2 shifts he got with Roslo and Ehlers.

Suess has exceeded expectations this preseason.

Seth Griffith right now has inside track on the 14th forward press box guy role on the Jets roster. I think he starts the season on the NHL roster unless the Jets decide to carry 8 D or make a trade.

I agree with overall consensus on Niku, needs a bit of work defensively but has that spark in him that he could be a top-4 D. Eventhough he most likely starts the season with the Moose, I fully expect him to end the season with the Jets.

 

[wasup]

I don't get the Poolman hate from some he has a great first pass out of the D zone it's on the stick and to the right guy most of the time . His decision making on D coverage needs work for sure but that comes with playing time . On the other hand Dr Green eggs and ham is making very good reads and decisions . i had voted him much higher than most on our prospect poll than most but did not expect what he has done so far . Was also susprised with Stanley so far has made good reads and decisions when in there .

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Was also susprised with Stanley so far has made good reads and decisions when in there .

Why the surprise? Some notable media outlets have him starting the season on our second pairing.

 

[Jet]

I want to see Niku-Buff.

Not sure if it was Garret on twitter who said, ya Niku is good in the offensive zone but bad in his own zone, but at least he's good in one zone compared to Chairot/Morrow who aren't good in either.

Think that pretty much sums it up, I'd rather Niku learn on the fly playing with someone like Buff who brings up anyone he plays with performance. Those two in the offensive zone would be fun to watch.

Myers sucks on his offside and it's a terrible idea to play him there.

I think Myers deserves more than 5 minutes to get used to his offside. It's harder than people think.

Niku and Buff would be a nightmare. So many breakaways *shudders*

 

[Jet]

Chiarot looked like a top 4 D when he played with Buff. I think he gets far too little respect here - and yes, I've seen the advanced stats. I think some people are just demanding too much from him. He is a lot better than Mark Stuart ever was.

I think Buff and Chia are a perfect pair because Chiarot plays very simple, and thinks D first. If he can break up plays and get the puck to Buff he can take over and make good exits.

 

[Jet]

Dennis Everberg. He's a winger.

Seriously, if you don't agree then counter my post. I took the time to post it. It's insulting to just post something like that.

Everberg has played a very simple, effective game. I think he's just the type of 'boring' player that can slot in on the 3rd or 4th line and be stabilizing. He has lots of pro experience including 70 NHL games.

I know the youngsters are all shiny and stuff BUT Everberg game over because he knows Woodcroft and he wouldn't have came over just to play on the Moose.

 

[Jet]

I think Niku and Poolman will be sent down. Jets will keep 14 forwards at the start, with Petan, Dano and KV. Chiarot and Morrow fighting for 6 D.

Petan and KV? Really? What have they done to deserve that?

I mean Petan I guess because he's waiver eligible but KV really is not close to being ready afaic

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think Buff and Chia are a perfect pair because Chiarot plays very simple, and thinks D first. If he can break up plays and get the puck to Buff he can take over and make good exits.

Morrow has managed to be effective with Buff. Not sure how. Could it be that Buff is aware of having a weak partner so he plays D?

I think you are right. Chia is not a top 4 D. Many say he is not even a 3rd pair D. But he seemed to fit with Buff. If a Chia - Buff pair gets the job done, then so be it. Or Morrow - Buff. I don't care as long as they are effective.

I'm not sure of the best way to integrate Niku into the lineup. I don't like the idea of him with either Buff or Myers. Could surprise but look like misfits to me. Maybe:
Niku - Trouba
Morrissey - Buff
Kuli - Myers
Chiarot/Morrow

 

[Jet]

Morrow has managed to be effective with Buff. Not sure how. Could it be that Buff is aware of having a weak partner so he plays D?

I think you are right. Chia is not a top 4 D. Many say he is not even a 3rd pair D. But he seemed to fit with Buff. If a Chia - Buff pair gets the job done, then so be it. Or Morrow - Buff. I don't care as long as they are effective.

I'm not sure of the best way to integrate Niku into the lineup. I don't like the idea of him with either Buff or Myers. Could surprise but look like misfits to me. Maybe:
Niku - Trouba
Morrissey - Buff
Kuli - Myers
Chiarot/Morrow

I actually think that Kulikov and Niku would be a good pair if one of them could play their off side