GDT: Pre-season Carolina vs the Johnny Gs

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Didn't our AHL squad just pot 5 goals on him a week ago?

He's 34 right now. If we were to assume his contract next summer, it would be during his age 35, 36, and 37 years...not great years for reaction quickness, lemmetellya.

And let's not pretend Bob is a goaltending god. He's not. He's had some great seasons, but he's also had about 7 average (or less) ones, including 2 of the past 3 (or 4 of 4, if you think 2.60/.913 is average). The Canes aren't looking for an older goaltender to bring them average play, and they certainly aren't going to lock themselves into such a deal for 3 years.

Preseason is weird sometimes. I mean, didn't Freddy let in like 3 goals in 10 shots the last time that we played Florida? I'm not going to judge a goalie from preseason numbers.

 

[MinJaBen]

If Freddie has another strong year, he will likely get a lot more than 4.5 million for 2+ years. We only need Bob to be average if Kochetkov is our starting answer. When the cap goes up in 2 years, average goalies will likely be getting more than 5 million per anyways.

I think we can find better "average" candidates, for less money, if that is what we are looking for.

 

[Svechhammer]

I liked it because of the show, but I don't think your response back then to what they had up their sleeve was very positive either (Hamilton for TDA and Andersen/Raanta).

EDIT: and if it's not clear, I'm just poking fun at you. We all have bad takes over the years, I know I've had more than my fair share.

I don't know what you're talking about. All my takes are great. Even the bad ones are the best bad takes you've ever seen.

 

[Stickpucker]

Bob has more name value than on ice value at this point. Not the type of player you want to acquire.

 

[MadeUpName]

I don't think of leaving Florida with $5m in dead cap space during their key contention window as "doing them a favor". Also, Bob isn't a negative value asset at $5M a year. He's still a good goaltender, just not $10M good.

Bobrovsky has a full NMC and can sit on his butt in Miami making $10 million a year as a backup for the next 4 years. Locking $10 million Cap in the process.

Any team that he is willing to be traded too that would also take on his large salary (even after 50% retention) would be doing Florida a massive favor.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Preseason is weird sometimes. I mean, didn't Freddy let in like 3 goals in 10 shots the last time that we played Florida? I'm not going to judge a goalie from preseason numbers.

Setting that aside, I think his bigger point is that he's had a .908SV% over the past 4 seasons and will be in his mid-late 30s.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I think we can find better "average" candidates, for less money, if that is what we are looking for.

The goalie crop this upcoming off-season is pretty sparse. Canes are unlikely to invest term in Freddie. Korpisalo, Ned, and Varlamov are available too. Varlamov is likely to cost a pretty penny as the 2nd best starter available, Ned’s season dependent.

Seeing how goalies improve with us, he should be higher than just average anyways

 

[Joe McGrath]

Precisely. I think that racism toward Cree / natives is a canadian thing.


Oh aren't you cute and special. *click* You can sit in the dark with the other mouthpiece on here who wants to sling identity insults. GFY.

I thought it was a harmless little joke, sorry if I offended you.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

One thing that this front office has continued to do, is come up with a solution to a roster hole where one isn't obvious. It doesn't always work out as expected, for instance Gardiner and Haula (although Haula led to Trocheck), but more often than not they come up with something not expected. Skjei, Trocheck, TDA, Burns, Pacioretty (hopefully), Andersen, Raanta, Mrazek, McBackup, Reimer, de Hann *(first time and hopefully 2nd), etc...

By the time it comes around to having to re-up Andersen/Raanta or find a replacement, I'm guessing they'll have something in the works.

 

[Svechhammer]

One thing that this front office has continued to do, is come up with a solution to a roster hole where one isn't obvious. It doesn't always work out as expected, for instance Gardiner and Haula (although Haula led to Trocheck), but more often than not they come up with something not expected. Skjei, Trocheck, TDA, Burns, Pacioretty (hopefully), Andersen, Raanta, Mrazek, McBackup, Reimer, de Hann *(first time and hopefully 2nd), etc...

By the time it comes around to having to re-up Andersen/Raanta or find a replacement, I'm guessing they'll have something in the works.

One thing you cannot argue is that this front office is seemingly prepared for everything. They have backup plans for their backup plans if we move on from players currently on the team. We also have multiple paths to improvement that we can pursue every year, and have an uncanny way of knowing when there is an opportunity to leverage a team in a bad spot to get a big roster improvement (Patches and Coghlan for literally nothing or getting the draft pick that ends up being Jarvis for choosing to buy out Marleau). And that's without realizing we were heavily in on both Marchmant and Tkachuk until other teams essentially panicked and overpaid.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

One thing you cannot argue is that this front office is seemingly prepared for everything. They have backup plans for their backup plans if we move on from players currently on the team. We also have multiple paths to improvement that we can pursue every year, and have an uncanny way of knowing when there is an opportunity to leverage a team in a bad spot to get a big roster improvement (Patches and Coghlan for literally nothing or getting the draft pick that ends up being Jarvis for choosing to buy out Marleau). And that's without realizing we were heavily in on both Marchmant and Tkachuk until other teams essentially panicked and overpaid.

Yes and-ing your point, let's zoom in on this example. Not only are we aware of the ability to leverage the team in the bad spot to get the roster improvement that gets the headlines (Pacioretty), but it turns out we have the knowledge of both our team-building and everyone else's to the point where now we can even be excited about the add-in too. Not only are the Canes opportunistic and nimble enough to take advantage of other team's issues like that, but also they have the 4d chess ability to fill what will likely end up being a second "Day 1 Roster Spot" from that deal. I do wonder how long it took anyone to say anything of substance about Coghlan in the trade thread - Pacioretty was the focus and remained in the focus until he got hurt.

 

[Svechhammer]

Yes and-ing your point, let's zoom in on this example. Not only are we aware of the ability to leverage the team in the bad spot to get the roster improvement that gets the headlines (Pacioretty), but it turns out we have the knowledge of both our team-building and everyone else's to the point where now we can even be excited about the add-in too. Not only are the Canes opportunistic and nimble enough to take advantage of other team's issues like that, but also they have the 4d chess ability to fill what will likely end up being a second "Day 1 Roster Spot" from that deal. I do wonder how long it took anyone to say anything of substance about Coghlan in the trade thread - Pacioretty was the focus and remained in the focus until he got hurt.

Just took a look. First mention was @AhosDatsyukian in Comment 8... First description of him was myself calling him a "contributing RHD" at Comment 9... First serious insight was @moses malone 12 saying he was Bear's replacement in Comment 25

We were surprisingly all over the fact that we might have gotten a steal with Coghlan from the start. Good on us, I guess.

 

[NotOpie]

Marty Party on the 4th line with vets like Stastny and Stepan will wreak havoc upon weak, young and dumb 4th liners that most NHL teams employ, even if they are old and slow themselves.

That might be the slowest 4th line in hockey. We've got to balance "veteran caginess" with youthful speed. I think the battle for 4c is between Drury and Ponomarev. Step is battling w/Noesen for 13th winger, IMO. I believe our bottom 6 is:

Statsny/Kase - Staal - Fast
Kase/Statsny - Drury/Ponomarev - Martinook

Bobrovsky and Ullmark would both be interesting moves for Carolina next offseason. I could easily see the Canes and the Panthers hammering out a 50% retained Bobrovsky cap-dump for near-nothing, similar to the trade that they made for a retained Burns. He would also be an excellent Russian-speaking mentor for Kochetkov.

Bobrovsky for 3 years after this one is more of an issue than the salary (not the $10 million, but the proposed 50% retained $5 million). Ideally, they could get Freddie for a couple of years after this one and have Koochie back him up and hopefully show enough to take the 1a reins outright in a couple of years.

It would entirely depend on Scott Morrow, I think. A productive Brent Burns, however, only helps Morrow's development as an NHL prospect.

My take on a reasonable timeline for Scott Morrow is one more year at UMass, one year in Chicago, 3rd line RHD - 2nd PP, then whatever his NHL production dictates.

 

[tarheelhockey]

That might be the slowest 4th line in hockey. We've got to balance "veteran caginess" with youthful speed.

Speed doesn't matter when you spend the whole shift mucking around in the corner trying to get the puck out from under some guy's skate.

 

[NotOpie]

Speed doesn't matter when you spend the whole shift mucking around in the corner trying to get the puck out from under some guy's skate.

There is that.....seriously, I know you try to give this line a preponderance of O zone starts, but that's a line that does a lot of chasing once the puck gets in our end.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

That might be the slowest 4th line in hockey.

Slower than Calgary's proposed Lucic-Eakin-Lewis? I don't, uh, see it.

 

[NotOpie]

Slower than Calgary's proposed Lucic-Eakin-Lewis? I don't, uh, see it.

Well you got me there cause that Martinook guy is a speed merchant. See what I did there....

 

[SlavinAway]

My take on a reasonable timeline for Scott Morrow is one more year at UMass, one year in Chicago, 3rd line RHD - 2nd PP, then whatever his NHL production dictates.

Haven't you heard he's the next Makar. He'll debut in '23 playoffs, be ready for 2-3RD duties next season, and join Slavin on the top pair by 24/25 season at the latest.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

As for the Bob talks, I still see Bob with 3 years remaining at $5M as a negative asset. I don't buy that he's even that good of a goalie from his spotty track record. I would think the only way we would acquire him is if we make Florida pay us something worth our while. Otherwise, I bet we could re-sign Freddie at 3 years, $5M per, and we know what we have there.

I proposed the full Bob contract for Anton Lundell but that's probably a no from Florida. Unfortunately I don't think they have much in the way of medium futures as they have already sold the farm.