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Zegs2sendhelp said:
1. SJS: Celebrini
2. CHI: lindstrom
3. ANA: levshunov
4.CBJ: Demidov
5. MTL: Dickinson
6. Utah: Silayev
7. OTT: Buium
8. SEA: Eiserman
9. CGY: Iginla
10. NJD: Helenius
11. BUF: Jiricek
12. PHI: Greentree
13. MIN: Catton
14. SJS: Yakemchuk
15. DET: brandseggnygard
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If I were to guess, our board would have Helenius > Catton = Iginla. Francis is unlikely to have a one-dimensional player like Eiserman very high on our board.
 
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Zegs2sendhelp said:
1. SJS: Celebrini
2. CHI: lindstrom
3. ANA: levshunov
4.CBJ: Demidov
5. MTL: Dickinson
6. Utah: Silayev
7. OTT: Buium
8. SEA: Eiserman
9. CGY: Iginla
10. NJD: Helenius
11. BUF: Jiricek
12. PHI: Greentree
13. MIN: Catton
14. SJS: Yakemchuk
15. DET: brandseggnygard
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OTT takes another LHD?
 
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SannywithoutCompy said:
Yeah he'd have come into the conversation around 10 for me. Michkov, Leonard both better options, let alone Perreault
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He isn’t even best defenseman. And quite wasn’t.
Michkov, Leonard, Benson, Simashev, may be Perreault, But, I didn’t saw Pelikka this season, but I would listen arguments.
Reinbacher wasn’t right decision in the moment and now Montreal fans(who is doing it, I’m not saying about all of Montreal fans) are making a bad favor for themselves when they deny mistake and waiting bigger impact from Reinbacher. He is still very good player and he was very good on the draft, just not top 5 from 2023 draft.
It was a mistake when they could draft much better forward on 2023 draft and better defenseman(or at least on the level) on 2024 draft. It was bad management decision. In vacuum Reinbacher is still very good prospect to have. But this conversation started from compares, so we compare.
 
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1. SJS: Celebrini
2. CHI: Demidov
3. ANA: Levshunov
4. CBJ: Dickinson
5. MTL: Catton
6. Utah: Yakemchuk
7. OTT: Buium
8. SEA: Silayev
9. CGY: Lindstrom
10. NJD: Iginla
11. BUF: Jiricek
12. PHI: Helenius
13. MIN: Eiserman
14. SJS: Parekh
15. DET: Brandsegg-Nygard
16. STL: Connelly
 
Goldenhands said:
Iron curtain starting to get rough on Russian people obviously...
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I have Silayev lower than most top D on this draft, lower than some second tier forwards, Celebrini and Lindstrom higher than Demidov. And I made a lot of good breakdowns from previous draft, and most of them were in favor of players from other different countries. Internet exist, it’s not a problem to watch different hockey. Everybody have good players, not only my country. It’s not a problem of Russians, like I said, I would draft and rank not only Michkov, but Leonard, Benson and other players higher. It’s a problem of Montreal specifically, not me, Russians, Michkov, Leonard, Benson, even Reinbacher. He is still the same good player. He is just not “that”.
 
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Guadana said:
I have Silayev lower than most top D on this draft, lower than some second tier forwards, Celebrini and Lindstrom higher than Demidov. And I made a lot of good breakdowns from previous draft, and most of them were in favor of players from other different countries. Internet exist, it’s not a problem to watch different hockey. Everybody have good players, not only my country. It’s not a problem of Russians, like I said, I would draft and rank not only Michkov, but Leonard, Benson and other players higher. It’s a problem of Montreal specifically, not me, Russians, Michkov, Leonard, Benson, even Reinbacher. He is still the same good player. He is just not “that”.
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Ok so we just dont see the game the same way since I have Silayev as my top ranked D in the draft and he is the only one I would considere with the Habs pick given our depth. Monstrous upside.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Catton is also a much better skater. I think both remain at center.
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I don’t think he is much better. Catton is very perimeter, Helenius is net driver, at least better net driver. I understand potential of Catton, I do really think that his ceiling could be on Panarins level, but as a two way center Helenius looks better because of his IQ, positional game in all three zones and better interior game. Of course average skating and lack of size is an issue for potential top 6 center, but I think he is smart enough and has real potential to be something between Suzuki and Benson.
Naturally, this is a question of how much we perceive the minimum acceptable level for certain skills, how we rank this skills. I rank high IQ with average skating higher than good skating with above average IQ. But I understand arguments in other way.
 
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Guadana said:
I don’t think he is much better. Catton is very perimeter, Helenius is net driver, at least better net driver. I understand potential of Catton, I do really think that his ceiling could be on Panarins level, but as a two way center Helenius looks better because of his IQ, positional game in all three zones and better interior game. Of course average skating and lack of size is an issue for potential top 6 center, but I think he is smart enough and has real potential to be something between Suzuki and Benson.
Naturally, this is a question of how much we perceive the minimum acceptable level for certain skills, how we rank this skills. I rank high IQ with average skating higher than good skating with above average IQ. But I understand arguments in other way.
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I think Catton is built like Hughes and Stuetzle. Both are playing center. Bedard is also at center. The requirements to be an NHL center now are different than 10 years ago.
 
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I think Catton / Helenius are similar caliber of prospects but I just see an easier path to Catton producing at a high-end clip
 
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Goldenhands said:
Ok so we just dont see the game the same way since I have Silayev as my top ranked D in the draft and he is the only one I would considere with the Habs pick given our depth. Monstrous upside.
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The problem of Sikayev is his game with the puck. Skating is great, positioning and gap control are very good, but with the puck(and in D zone especially) he is very inconsistent - as in KHL, as in MHL. I see a lack of good decision making with the puck and on my taste it’s a problem. Of course if he will overcome it to the average level, he will be great second pair minutes eater at least, but IQ/decision making is a first thing I’m trying to find in NHL player, because they need to make right decision very fast. That’s a reason he is in my top-12, not my top 5-7 player on this draft.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I think Catton is built like Hughes and Stuetzle. Both are playing center. Bedard is also at center. The requirements to be an NHL center now are different than 10 years ago.
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Stuzle was way better net driver before the draft, much better physical player, Catton is trying to avoid of physical contact often. A lot if what he is doing with puckhandlimg will not work against nhl defensemen. And his legs are weak. Both Hughes and Stuzle are better skaters, Hughes is much better skater, both were better positionally, both did controlling a lot of center zone and defensive zone even without contact, Stuzle played in the wing in draft year a lot and did it with more physicality. Catton is controlling center too, just not on the same level. As I said I think as perimeter playmaker with his playmaking game and combo of very good skating, hands and accuracy he has real big potential.
 
Guadana said:
The problem of Sikayev is his game with the puck. Skating is great, positioning and gap control are very good, but with the puck(and in D zone especially) he is very inconsistent - as in KHL, as in MHL. I see a lack of good decision making with the puck and on my taste it’s a problem. Of course if he will overcome it to the average level, he will be great second pair mites eater at least, but IQ/decision making is a first thing I’m trying to find in NHL player, because they need to make right decision very fast. That’s a reason he is in my top-12, not my top 5-7 player on this draft.
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Silayev wouldnt have played a full season in the 2nd best league of the world if his decision making wasnt there. I see a kid who defended extremmely well given the level of competition he was facing and made the simple smart effective passes to get out of his zone, he was pretty good under pressure too, something scouts take note, he could also skate the puck up ice at times and the way he handled himself overall in the KHL was really really impressive. He can handle the puck, but as a 6.7 kid who hasnt filled out yet, the coordination will get better has he matures and get his man strength, I see a defending monster who will shine even more of smaller ice and while his offensive tools are a bit raw, its there and will get better.
 
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