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I don’t think Bennett ages well. Loved his game back to Calgary days. He probably gets to much term like Stephson type of deal 7x7

Boeser isn’t that old and I think he scores into his mid 30s. Not sure the comparable for him in a contract negotiation

Point being in no world do you give Rantanen or Marner 8 figure deals. It also absolutely crushes our pay scale for retaining Bedard down the road. Exactly what Leafs did with Tavares
 
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I don’t know. Can Bennett still not do a pull up?

Edit: found the link. Can’t believe this is 11 years ago

 
Regarding SJ, is the thinking that he is fairly priced at 5 million per real money, or 7 million per? Because in the last five years of his contract his cap hit is significantly more than his salary. Someone else said that he would be more attractive after his 5 million signing bonus is paid next summer because then he's owed about 7.2 million real money per year. If the Hawks retain 2 million per SJ would be paid about 5 million per by his acquiring team. Wouldn't he be a bargain at that price?

When I was looking at the Avs they don't have a lot in the pipeline at rd and Manson is breaking down. Manson has one more year left at a 4.5 hit but 3.5 real money. If they traded SJ for Manson its effectively like the Hawks traded SJ after (most of) his signing bonus is paid because the Avs are no longer on the hook for Manson.
 
nmgrbhfn said:
Regarding SJ, is the thinking that he is fairly priced at 5 million per real money, or 7 million per? Because in the last five years of his contract his cap hit is significantly more than his salary. Someone else said that he would be more attractive after his 5 million signing bonus is paid next summer because then he's owed about 7.2 million real money per year. If the Hawks retain 2 million per SJ would be paid about 5 million per by his acquiring team. Wouldn't he be a bargain at that price?

When I was looking at the Avs they don't have a lot in the pipeline at rd and Manson is breaking down. Manson has one more year left at a 4.5 hit but 3.5 real money. If they traded SJ for Manson its effectively like the Hawks traded SJ after (most of) his signing bonus is paid because the Avs are no longer on the hook for Manson.
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I don’t know how much that matters to competitive teams anymore tbh.
 
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nmgrbhfn said:
Regarding SJ, is the thinking that he is fairly priced at 5 million per real money, or 7 million per? Because in the last five years of his contract his cap hit is significantly more than his salary. Someone else said that he would be more attractive after his 5 million signing bonus is paid next summer because then he's owed about 7.2 million real money per year. If the Hawks retain 2 million per SJ would be paid about 5 million per by his acquiring team. Wouldn't he be a bargain at that price?

When I was looking at the Avs they don't have a lot in the pipeline at rd and Manson is breaking down. Manson has one more year left at a 4.5 hit but 3.5 real money. If they traded SJ for Manson its effectively like the Hawks traded SJ after (most of) his signing bonus is paid because the Avs are no longer on the hook for Manson.
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Just IMO, but with most contenders at the cap it is the cap hit and not the real $ that significantly impacts the trade value.

IMO, SJ has significant value at $7M if he'd waive his NMC. Would think that COL or DAL would be looking for an upgrade on the blueline.
 
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Barely even worth discussing anyone of note without realizing they're going to get a 7-year deal if they're switching teams.
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Which is exactly why I wouldn't want Boeser or Bennett. Way too much risk for both of those guys to give them that much term.
 
I don't know if you guys saw this but the NHL just canceled escrow for the rest of the year. That means that the cap is likely going to $95M or more next year and will continue to rise quickly.

As of right now, the Hawks have 10 forwards (including Slaggert), 5 defensemen, and 2 goalies signed going into next year totaling $59M in contracts. Who knows what they do with Jones, Murphy, Brodie, and their cap hits and they may replace those cap hits with guys on their ELCs like Korchinski or Levshunov, or cheap RFAs like Kaiser or Crevier. If the cap is $95M, the floor is likely to be ~$71M.

Regardless, they're gonna need to spend just to get to the floor! It's looking like the cap will continue to rise significantly moving forward with new national TV deals being worth triple what the previous ones were, the COVID payments paid off, and the elimination of the Phoenix money pit. So let's not worry so much about giving guys money or term right now.
 
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Jack Roslovic feels like he can be a target. Should be in line for a raise and a bigger opportunity that Hawks can offer. Thinking maybe a 4 year deal?
 
MHO said:
I don't know if you guys saw this but the NHL just canceled escrow for the rest of the year. That means that the cap is likely going to $95M or more next year and will continue to rise quickly.

As of right now, the Hawks have 10 forwards (including Slaggert), 5 defensemen, and 2 goalies signed going into next year totaling $59M in contracts. Who knows what they do with Jones, Murphy, Brodie, and their cap hits and they may replace those cap hits with guys on their ELCs like Korchinski or Levshunov, or cheap RFAs like Kaiser or Crevier. If the cap is $95M, the floor is likely to be ~$71M.

Regardless, they're gonna need to spend just to get to the floor! It's looking like the cap will continue to rise significantly moving forward with new national TV deals being worth triple what the previous ones were, the COVID payments paid off, and the elimination of the Phoenix money pit. So let's not worry so much about giving guys money or term right now.
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I knew there were some $'s falling off (mainly Hall & Martinez) - but $59M with Jones, Murphy & Brody means that if they are dealt the Hawks will have to be really active on the FA side (or pick up retirement type contracts like PHO used to).

I just don't want to fall into the trap like Toronto did where their UFA contact (Tavares) destroyed their negotiating power with the guys coming off of ELC's (AM, MM, WN). Not a fan of Dubas - and IMO that really hampered the Leafs over the last 4-5 years.
 
Beukeboom Fan said:
I knew there were some $'s falling off (mainly Hall & Martinez) - but $59M with Jones, Murphy & Brody means that if they are dealt the Hawks will have to be really active on the FA side (or pick up retirement type contracts like PHO used to).

I just don't want to fall into the trap like Toronto did where their UFA contact (Tavares) destroyed their negotiating power with the guys coming off of ELC's (AM, MM, WN). Not a fan of Dubas - and IMO that really hampered the Leafs over the last 4-5 years.
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It has but there are a couple of differences. First off there's a big difference between UFA and RFA and the Blackhawks won't have any pending UFAs for quite some time. There are also a lot of players who don't want to play in Toronto due to all of the media attention there and the weak Canadian dollar doesn't help either. The last major difference is that the cap has remained fairly stagnant over the past few years with COVID taking money away. I'm expecting the cap to rise significantly each year for the next 5 years due to what I said earlier.

So while the challenges of resigning our players will be real, I don't anticipate a Toronto like situation.
 
With a rising cap, it is true the Hawks have to do something to get to the cap floor. Not sure there will be much of a cap dump market for same reason. If they traded Jones, I'm genuinely not sure how. They're in a bit of an odd spot as there should be a lot of players on ELC/basically ELCs on the roster next year as it stands (Bedard, Nazar, Dach, Slaggert, Allan, Korchinski, Kaiser*, Crevier*). Some lucky vet out there is getting 1 year/$5 million that deserves a third of that.
 
IMO, you look at vets that won't get what they want on a long term deal, and sign them to a 1/2 year deal at high money. (Drouin, Dadonov, Mangiapane)
 
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Hawkaholic said:
IMO, you look at vets that won't get what they want on a long term deal, and sign them to a 1/2 year deal at high money. (Drouin, Dadonov, Mangiapane, Oshie)
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Oshie is 38 years old, is on the LTIR, hasn't played a single game this year, and this is who you are advocating as a potential FA acquisition?

You're basically asking for Brodie 2.0.
 
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GIADF said:
Oshie is 38 years old, is on the LTIR, hasn't played a single game this year, and this is who you are advocating as a potential FA acquisition?

You're basically asking for Brodie 2.0.
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I was just looking at names on the UFA tracker, haven't paid attention to the Caps much this year, so didn't know that.
 
MHO said:
It has but there are a couple of differences. First off there's a big difference between UFA and RFA and the Blackhawks won't have any pending UFAs for quite some time. There are also a lot of players who don't want to play in Toronto due to all of the media attention there and the weak Canadian dollar doesn't help either. The last major difference is that the cap has remained fairly stagnant over the past few years with COVID taking money away. I'm expecting the cap to rise significantly each year for the next 5 years due to what I said earlier.

So while the challenges of resigning our players will be real, I don't anticipate a Toronto like situation.
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Agree in general, but for the Leafs Matthew's and Marner were both coming off their ELCs when they bent Dubas over and did him dirty. That is similar to Bedard's contract situation in that he can start negotiating on 7/1, which is when the prime UFAs will likely sign.

If the Hawks do go after a big fish, hope the deal is front loaded to give them options at the end if it becomes a problem.
 
Im hoping they overpay Zucker Palmieri for short term.

Draft Misa

Seth Jones 2.5 million retained for Dumba from Dallas
Buy out Brodie
Resign Martinez Kaiser Crevier and Donato. Soderblom on a 2 way.

Bertuzzi-Bedard-Nazar
Zucker-Misa-Teravianen
Dach-Dickinson-Palmieri
Foligno-Donato-Mikheyev
Slaggert

Vlasic-Crevier
Korchinski-Murphy
Kaiser-Dumba
Allen Martinez

Mrazek
Broissoit

Kantserov Moore Greene EDM To replace Mikheyev Palmieri Zucker Martinez Murphy Dickinson or Foligno the following year.

Wrong thread for this.
 
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BHawk21 said:
Im hoping they overpay Zucker Palmieri for short term.

Draft Misa

Seth Jones 2.5 million retained for Dumba from Dallas
Buy out Brodie
Resign Martinez Kaiser Crevier and Donato. Soderblom on a 2 way.

Bertuzzi-Bedard-Nazar
Zucker-Misa-Teravianen
Dach-Dickinson-Palmieri
Foligno-Donato-Mikheyev
Slaggert

Vlasic-Crevier
Korchinski-Murphy
Kaiser-Dumba
Allen Martinez

Mrazek
Broissoit

Kantserov Moore Greene EDM To replace Mikheyev Palmieri Zucker Martinez Murphy Dickinson or Foligno the following year.

Wrong thread for this.
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Brodie more likely we would but him in the minors and save 1.2 on the cap. would be better then buyout because all his money is Bonus.
 
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