Post-Game Talk: Potential new coach discussion thread

[Daisy Jane]

I dont follow Joel Q coaching tactics. Is he a hard ass Torts kind of guy? Or a laid back Keefe?

If Joel is a tough coach I dont think it'd make a difference if people are thinking he'd scare them into shape. Babs tried and it didnt work either.

he was more of an encourager. he was tough when he needed to be, but like he often gave his group time off etc. more than the league norm to keep them fresh. he was basically with the team from even before they went 3 straight cups, so he was really able to help nurture the team whilst they were becoming men and getting the most out of them (and because he had all of them he knew how to handle The Superstar).

He was also part of Team Canada when they won the gold medal. Babcock/Yzerman picked him to be part of the team.

 

[darrylsittler27]

One reason alone. He has won a cup and coached some very talented clubs. If a guy needs help he can help him get to the next level. If a guy will never win, he will spot him. Like it or not, Keefe was too soft, for too long and made some very bad decisions. I vote for experience. The experiment is over.

 

[disgruntleddave]

I would have said no before, but I'm now a yes. We're already the pathetic heels. We've already had our souls crushed over and over and over. There's no more soul left, so just go full heel. We need a good coach.

 

[Menzinger]

I think it's adding a potentially unnecessary distraction into an already overcomplicated problem.

He's also not exactly a spring chicken anymore.

If Tre decides to make a coaching change, there's a number of attractive candidates out there who don't come with all the baggage.

With all that said, if he's given a pass by the league and MLSE PR think they can handle the waiver, it's not worth being disappointed with the either, especially if he turns things around

 

[HolyCrap]

A stuffed animal would be better than Keefe

Just don’t bring in a stuffed Koala.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I will never be on board with person who tries to skirt rape under a rug.

 

[colchar]

Couldn't work here. Our media would all virtue signal and call out the team for the hire and the pressure would ramp up more on higher ups like with the CBJ hiring Babcock and then having to fire him.

Um, the team owners are the media so they can easily shut it down if they want to.

The GTA is likely the most radically left jurisdiction in all of North America

This is simply ridiculous, and I say that as a Conservative.

 

[rojac]

As for Quenneville, do the Leafs really want to hire a coach that has won a Cup? Only three coaches have Cups with mukriple teams. Two were pre-WWII and the other was Scotty Bowman.

 

[colchar]

I will never be on board with person who tries to skirt rape under a rug.

But that isn't what he did, was it?

As for Quenneville, do the Leafs really want to hire a coach that has won a Cup? Only three coaches have Cups with mukriple teams. Two were pre-WWII and the other was Scotty Bowman.

Bowman ain't doing anything right now, they should hire him

 

[rumman]

He’s a good coach no doubt, but what’s the difference between him and Babcock as to non hockey inappropriate behaviour? Plenty here would welcome Q with open arms, many of them are proud Babcock haters, I see little difference between either’s handling of things off ice…….

 

[nuck]

I absolutely agree.

However, I would need to know exactly what he did or didn't do (i.e., I need to read the court documents). I saw a recent podcast that he was on talking about the situation, and he didn't really take any responsibility.

There were no court documents but the investigation is available on line. Below is an old link which should still work.


I won't argue if you see the document and say you think it was obvious but it wasn't to me. I kind of think Bowman is the guy who should own this. Q too if he gave a reference and understood there was an actual assault but thats not clear to me. Also put on your 2009 goggles for the pre MeToo, BLM, LGBTQ world. That was more of a head in the sand era rather than social justice forum where everyone was expected to step up.



https://www.jenner.com/a/web/8kmbgF...awks%20Hockey%20Team%20-%20October%202021.pdf

 

[Jojalu]

My preferred choice. Don't give a shit about the Chicago stuff or the PC vultures. I want to win. Simple as that.

I agree with you unless their is clear evidence he was aware of what was going on and helped bury it.

If he was just the scapegoat and just guilty by association then 100% he should be allowed to coach agian, and I would love him as the next Leaf coach

 

[Leaf Fans]

The GTA is likely the most radically left jurisdiction in all of North America, there is no way they can hire Q.

The GTA is radically left?

 

[hfman]

Quennville will be back in the league sometime. Might be now or might be later but he'll be back

The league is just waiting for this PC era to blow over, which it will- it always does. Fans old enough have seen a few of these woke eras come and go in the past, this one will be the same. It's already fading, but not done just yet.

Funny thing is that after an era of PC comes another era of Conservatism to turn everything upside down yet again.

There always has to be shock value in the media, and they do it by flipping the current cultural norms between liberalism and conservatism. It's been liberal for many years now so another conservative era is just around the corner and then we'll all be shocked when they go against the norms once more. They might wait till then for Q to come back, but who knows maybe they do it sooner and say to hell with this cultural era let's just move on

 

[SImpelton]

I know you're going to fire Sheldon Keefe, but I strongly suspect the Leafs are gonna regret doing so.

The problems of this team are not tactical. you have a flawed roster. keefe managed to nurse the roster along to 7 games and had a real chance to win if not for a last minute seeing-eye goal from Frederic and a banger of a set piece play by Lindholm and Pastrnak.

In my opinion Keefe's Leafs were tough to beat and Keefe basically took a roster that was severely broken, getting no offense at all from the guys who were supposed to be carrying the team, the defense is an underpaid afterthought with minimal talent and thus can't generate offense from the blue line, and 2 goaltenders both of whom stood on their head at various times in the series, and somehow he duct tapes enough of a structure together that the hot mess he was handed manages to steal 3 wins in a row Nearly stole #4 but late in the third period the structure broke down once.

I'm just saying, as a Bruins fan I'm quite happy with Cassidy, but if you guys fired Keefe and we had an opening, I'd be all for snagging him. Replacing Keefe with another dude, especially without addressing the ACTUAL problems on the roster, is more or less an exercise in futility. At a certain point you have to stop blaming the coach for everything and start looking at the talent. A coach on his own can only do so much, is all I'm saying.

it's your Titanic though, if you want to rearrange the deck chairs, they're your deckchairs. I just feel like firing Keefe is just.... doing something so you can say you did something. It addresses zero of the real problems.

you want my advice, and I know you don't, you'd clear some cap and bring in some better skaters on D. Offense doesn't start with the forwards, it starts with the defense. It's what killed you this time, so learn from that and bring in a guy who can be your Lindholm.

Anyway just my outsider's perspective. you folks have fun. See ya next year.

 

[Frostitute]

Most people didn't give two shits about Michael Jackson because the guy made great music.

A coach who could bring us a cup is music to my ears. Don't care who it is.

I'm a terrible person.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

If you voted no just admit you don't value winning

I value winning but Toronto media would eat it up. There would be too much of a sideshow for 82 games.

 

[Mugzy97]

I know you're going to fire Sheldon Keefe, but I strongly suspect the Leafs are gonna regret doing so.

The problems of this team are not tactical. you have a flawed roster. keefe managed to nurse the roster along to 7 games and had a real chance to win if not for a last minute seeing-eye goal from Frederic and a banger of a set piece play by Lindholm and Pastrnak.

In my opinion Keefe's Leafs were tough to beat and Keefe basically took a roster that was severely broken, getting no offense at all from the guys who were supposed to be carrying the team, the defense is an underpaid afterthought with minimal talent and thus can't generate offense from the blue line, and 2 goaltenders both of whom stood on their head at various times in the series, and somehow he duct tapes enough of a structure together that the hot mess he was handed manages to steal 3 wins in a row Nearly stole #4 but late in the third period the structure broke down once.

I'm just saying, as a Bruins fan I'm quite happy with Cassidy, but if you guys fired Keefe and we had an opening, I'd be all for snagging him. Replacing Keefe with another dude, especially without addressing the ACTUAL problems on the roster, is more or less an exercise in futility. At a certain point you have to stop blaming the coach for everything and start looking at the talent. A coach on his own can only do so much, is all I'm saying.

it's your Titanic though, if you want to rearrange the deck chairs, they're your deckchairs. I just feel like firing Keefe is just.... doing something so you can say you did something. It addresses zero of the real problems.

you want my advice, and I know you don't, you'd clear some cap and bring in some better skaters on D. Offense doesn't start with the forwards, it starts with the defense. It's what killed you this time, so learn from that and bring in a guy who can be your Lindholm.

Anyway just my outsider's perspective. you folks have fun. See ya next year.

Everyone has an opinion and I’m not saying you’re wrong; but you can’t change the entire roster, and Keefe is definitely part of the reason this team hasn’t won. The easiest solution here is to try a different coach.

All of Keefe’s experience in the NHL is with the leafs, so technically he’s a rookie coach trying to coach what should be a contending team at this point. There’s going to be a lot of change after next season with Johnny’s contract ending, so likely a new captain. Who knows what will happen with Marner after next season. It’ll be interesting to see another coach give this roster a shot next season before it gets changed (assuming Keefe is fired soon).

 

[Cassell]

Most people didn't give two shits about Michael Jackson because the guy made great music.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest any of the allegations against Michael Jackson had any merit whatsoever.

I highly recommend watching a three part YouTube breakdown by a user named “The Rageaholic” on this topic. He dissects all the allegations against Michael Jackson, provides in-depth analysis, refutations by credible sources such as Corey Feldman and Macaulay Culkin.

 

[Frostitute]

There is absolutely nothing to suggest any of the allegations against Michael Jackson had any merit whatsoever.

I highly recommend watching a three part YouTube breakdown by a user named “The Rageaholic” on this topic. He dissects all the allegations against Michael Jackson, provides in-depth analysis, refutations by credible sources such as Corey Feldman and Macaulay Culkin.

I actually agree with you about MJ. This isn't his thread though. I was just trying to use it as an example.

People who win tend to get forgiven by the masses.

 

[Cassell]

I actually agree with you about MJ. This isn't his thread though. I was just trying to use it as an example.

People who win tend to get forgiven by the masses.

I absolutely agree with your point as well. Success, particularly in areas of sports, entertainment, etc, usually alleviates any uncomfortable feelings people might have about someone on a personal level.

 

[Jozay]

Yes. But its probably not worth the shit storm.

 

[Cassell]

Yes. But its probably not worth the shit storm.

Also true. But I want to make one thing perfectly clear: the Leafs need to hire the best coach they possibly can, even if that means trying to make Quenneville happen. If they hire someone else, it needs to be because that particular coach is the best available, not because they’d be less “icky” for the media than someone like Quenneville.

 

[Trapper]

He can’t coach until the NHL and Bettman reinstate him. To my knowledge they have not. So it’s not even a discussion point until then.

 

[JKG33]

I value winning but Toronto media would eat it up. There would be too much of a sideshow for 82 games.

It's simple. Tell the media the topic is off limits. If they push it, start revoking press credentials. That'll tune em up quick