Potential Atlanta NHL Expansion Team Thread

GreenHornet

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This might also explain what at the time seemed like a puzzling response by AC when one of the initial Buccigross Twitter Bomb (or maybe it was Kevin Weekes) dropped almost a year ago. Can't seem to find the exact tweet (may have been deleted), but he decried the news (which, IIRC, may be the first time Vernon Krause's name was mentioned) breaking on the first night of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

However, I did find THIS tweet from a few months later that this news may also explain.


Hmmmm. Not sure why the second tweet isn't showing up, since it's still on AC's account. Anyway, it includes a
My head is totally spinning by today's news, right on the heels of last week's very public statements by Krause that strongly suggested that The Gathering was all but signed, sealed, and delivered, and that they had had longstanding positive discussions with the NHL in general and Bettman specifically.

Why is Anson putting this out there now?!? Are they the dark horse that will come in at the relative last moment and get the concept across the finish line? He's obviously deeply connected to the league and its main American broadcasting partner already, unlike Krause. It's a no-brainer that the North Point Mall footprint is a more ideal location for a million reasons, even though Forsyth is still pretty good.

I feel I have cultivated some pretty decent connections within the Atlanta hockey scene. I've heard scuttlebutt about NPM redevelopment for a while now, such as back in January bidding out concrete contracts, allegedly for arena construction, but it didn't seem credible without a name or group attached to it. So, maybe this North Point Mall thing is much further along than any of us realized, and it's a huge credit that they kept it under wraps for this long.
A few thoughts about this.

1. Like you, I've always preferred the idea of the arena being at the NPM location or somewhere else in Alpharetta proper to The Gatherings location in South Forsyth, albeit for selfish reasons. It's a little closer to where I live, though the TGASF isn't that much further.

2. I do like the idea of Anson Carter being involved, even though I have gradually warmed to the Krause group the more that's been revealed about them. Maybe a meeting of the minds between the two groups, as @tucker3434 suggested could work, but I tend to doubt it. At this point, I'm not pulling for either of the two. I'm just hoping one of them can convince the NHL to give the green light, and that whichever group gets the go ahead can do things right to make Atlanta NHL v3.0 a successful, long-lasting venture this time.

3. I've probably mentioned this (in relation to when we knew very little about the Kraus group), but if so, it bears repeating. The latest AC/Alpharetta bombshell and its sudden reveal now are giving me a lot of the same vibes as when hockey first returned to Atlanta after the Flames left. To review, back then a pair of two potential start-up leagues (basically, two wanna-be WHAs) were making all sorts of noise about including Atlanta (among other markets like Cleveland, Hamilton, Cincinnati, South Florida, Saskatoon, etc.). One of them had former NHL exec (including a former Flames asst. GM "Wild Bill" Hunter) as its president. The other had already announced Roy Boe (one of the co-owners of the then-expansion New York Islanders, as well as the then New York Nets) as the Atlanta franchise owner, and that Dan Bouchard would be involved in a player-personnel/coaching capacity. While all that noise was being made, Richard Adler and Dave Berkman were quietly working behind the scenes on an IHL franchise that would become the Atlanta Knights. In fact, nobody even knew who they were or what they were up to until they were introduced at the press conference announcing the deal with the IHL and that they'd obtained a lease at the Omni.

4. Given what @The Hobgoblin has posted here, I'm curious what his sources are saying and what they think about all this.
 
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Well this explains why Anson was so pissed when The Gathering was announced, but it makes his comments pretty hypocritical.

"Shows a lot of disrespect for the hockey community to drop this tonight. The entire hockey world knows what happening tonight. It shows me a total disconnect.. that’s why hockey has failed in this community twice.I’m focused on the roots, not the fruits.Best of luck to them, I’m excited for them, but it’s disappointing."
 

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I don't know what you mean by "downtown Fulton." Fulton is the county, not a city.
Yeah I f***ed up, I just moved here. I meant the downtown Atlanta proper area of Fulton county, where the hawks and falcons are. Not a great area, but a short commute from where most people who live in the city are.

Also I got the proposed location completely wrong. Rookie mistake by me
 

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Well this explains why Anson was so pissed when The Gathering was announced, but it makes his comments pretty hypocritical.

"Shows a lot of disrespect for the hockey community to drop this tonight. The entire hockey world knows what happening tonight. It shows me a total disconnect.. that’s why hockey has failed in this community twice.I’m focused on the roots, not the fruits.Best of luck to them, I’m excited for them, but it’s disappointing."
THAT is the initial AC tweet I was referring to. Thanks for finding it.
 
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Yeah I f***ed up, I just moved here. I meant the downtown Atlanta proper area of Fulton county, where the hawks and falcons are. Not a great area, but a short commute from where most people who live in the city are.

Also I got the proposed location completely wrong. Rookie mistake by me

Gotcha. I saw your "Texas" location and thought you might not know the local georgraphy. Putting the team downtown (again) would be a pretty big mistake. Downtown is dying. If my day job wasn't two blocks from Centennial Park, I'd never come down here (except for Atlanta United games).
 

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Gotcha. I saw your "Texas" location and thought you might not know the local georgraphy. Putting the team downtown (again) would be a pretty big mistake. Downtown is dying. If my day job wasn't two blocks from Centennial Park, I'd never come down here (except for Atlanta United games).
The more time I’ve spent here, the more I definitely get that. I live in Reynoldstown and have enjoyed a hawks and falcons game downtown, but wouldn’t go back and definitely felt some abandoned vibes from it.

Selfishly, the suburbs and anything off the beltline would be interesting.
 

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Carter’s group isn’t very local. Looks like a couple of guys from Michigan and one from Texas. Though one does own the Mooseheads and another owns an ECHL team as well. I guess that doesn’t matter as long as their checks cash. But I sure would like to see one major investor that’s local.
 

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Well this explains why Anson was so pissed when The Gathering was announced, but it makes his comments pretty hypocritical.

"Shows a lot of disrespect for the hockey community to drop this tonight. The entire hockey world knows what happening tonight. It shows me a total disconnect.. that’s why hockey has failed in this community twice.I’m focused on the roots, not the fruits.Best of luck to them, I’m excited for them, but it’s disappointing."
I don't know if I'd call it "hypocritical". Carter, it sounds like, has been at this for a bit longer than Krause. If this much is true, I can understand why he felt the way he did about the announcement of The Gathering. If true, Carter has been laying the foundation and generating support for bringing the league back to Atlanta, and you can't build anything if you don't first have that foundation.

I'd be pissed too, if I were him, though I don't know that I would've taken to Twitter and made my disappointment so public.
 

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Ahhh my mistake, misread. I was believing it was downtown Atlanta proper. If that were the case splitting with the Hawks would make a ton of sense.

Feel like downtown Atlanta, selfishly as I just moved right off the beltline, makes too much sense. Go where the people are and make it easy to get there.
The densest population, and most money, are all found in the northern suburbs of the city.
 

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Carter’s group isn’t very local. Looks like a couple of guys from Michigan and one from Texas. Though one does own the Mooseheads and another owns an ECHL team as well. I guess that doesn’t matter as long as their checks cash. But I sure would like to see one major investor that’s local.
Honestly, I'd like to see another local presence, though AC is local, so that could be enough. And from what I remember dating back to his effort to get involved with making a bid to keep the Thrashers a little over a decade ago, he's got pretty deep pockets based on how successful his recording company was at the time.

Oh, and one other thing. If his group is successful, it could easily bring my whole idea of bringing the Gladiators up to the AHL as the affiliate much more feasible.
 

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Honestly, I'd like to see another local presence, though AC is local, so that could be enough. And from what I remember dating back to his effort to get involved with making a bid to keep the Thrashers a little over a decade ago, he's got pretty deep pockets based on how successful his recording company was at the time.

Oh, and one other thing. If his group is successful, it could easily bring my whole idea of bringing the Gladiators up to the AHL as the affiliate much more feasible.

The one giant question mark in all of today's news is "who is the deep-pocketed local interest?" Maybe that's where Bucci's original Waffle House tease comes into play.
 

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If I was judging the two groups based solely on the pragmatics of their locations, I'd rank Anson's group higher.

The other thing I'd immediately rank higher is that their group involves people with actual hockey experience (whether it be team ownership or playing). So it's not just "local businessman thinks a local sports team would be real neato......but actually he kinda doesn't really know how hockey works and oh by the way, he cares about the teams he owns in 1-3 others sports much more." People talk a lot about the ownership challenges the previous Atlanta teams faced but I'm not sure if it's quite emphasized enough just how casual (at best) the interest level in the actual sport of hockey was among every NHL owner Atlanta has ever had.

And I get it, a lot of financially successful NHL franchises are owned by people who wouldn't know offside from a hand pass, but I do think it hurt Atlanta's teams greatly in terms of any savviness of planning for a "non traditional market" ("oooohhh, 'a brutally good time!' Because hockey is rough and southerners like rough things! Get it? It's genius!").

Mind you, for all we know, we'll find out that seven former NHLers are part of Krause's group. And they too would be a single-sport-ownership group, even their interests might be more real estate motivated.

Also, I always assumed that Anson's interest to be directly part of bringing the NHL back to the Atlanta was something of an open secret (or not a secret at all), so I can't see this announcement being that surprising unless you assumed he was going to "buy in" on Krause's group.
 

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Krause v Carter for this expansion project.

Not gonna lie, I'd much rather see a coalition form between the groups, but that's asking an awful lot regarding egos. And seeing how butthurt Carter was about the initial discussion of the Gathering, it's not likely. Alpharetta makes a lot more sense, for a couple of reasons. But then again, so does Forsyth, as a wealthy county gets to thumb their nose at their older brother (and yes, metro Atlanta County politics really do look like this sometimes...)

There were also hints in what Krause said in his WSB interview, where he mentioned Georgia would be proud. Selfishly, I always thought the name Georgia Thrashers made more sense, because it's the state bird.

Wandering thoughts <off>. Gonna be an interesting few months.
 

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What's the chances he's actually been to a Waffle House?
Maybe in his college days? I don't think Waffle House has any locations north of Ohio, though I have no idea whether they had any locations in Ohio when he was in college. Outside that, I think it's highly unlikely.

Krause v Carter for this expansion project.

Not gonna lie, I'd much rather see a coalition form between the groups, but that's asking an awful lot regarding egos. And seeing how butthurt Carter was about the initial discussion of the Gathering, it's not likely. Alpharetta makes a lot more sense, for a couple of reasons. But then again, so does Forsyth, as a wealthy county gets to thumb their nose at their older brother (and yes, metro Atlanta County politics really do look like this sometimes...)

There were also hints in what Krause said in his WSB interview, where he mentioned Georgia would be proud. Selfishly, I always thought the name Georgia Thrashers made more sense, because it's the state bird.

Wandering thoughts <off>. Gonna be an interesting few months.

When interests align, even the most fierce of opponents can come together to see a dream become a reality. Whoever wins this particular battle for a franchise, I think the other would support it.

I would point out though, that while we've been learning a little more about the Krause group as time passes, there's still a lot we don't know. But with Carter's group, we know who a few of the others involved are.

This also might shine a light on what to expect with regards to minor league affiliates.
 

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I just don't see Anson's group as the favorite at this point. The investors listed in the press release don't scream tons of money, which is why they're likely partnering with New York Life. New York Life owns North Point Mall and will likely finance the arena and own it in exchange for the team lease. Just screams ASG all over again - too many chiefs, not enough indians.

Here's something else noteworthy: Alpharetta's Assistant City Administrator told WSB back in January that he expected New York Life to submit a redevelopment plan for North Point mall sometime during Q1 this year. I bet we're going to see arena renderings for the North Point site very, very soon.

 

sneakytitz

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I mean no disrespect to anyone, but I find the debate between LOCATION extremely silly because the two sites are 5.5 miles apart.

The only thing that the North Point location has over Forsyth location right now is the dedicated bus line between Mansell Road and the North Springs MARTA station. I think that's a total non-factor though because I can assure you that a mind-blowing majority of ticket buyers are going to be driving there.

I don't see people in Cobb driving down 75 and across 285 to 400N just to hop on a bus. I don't see people in Gwinnett or Dekalb getting on the Gold Line and going all the way down to Lindbergh or 5 Points just to go north for 15 minutes and then hop on a bus.
 
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