Post-Game Talk: Post game Leaf/Jets

[nobody imp0rtant]

Had to Google who she was.......still don't know!

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[Gil Fisher]

Wheeler is a notorious slow-starter. I am not sure people would expect any different this year.

 

[Jet]

i will say that, in the half game that i watched (halfway to the 2nd period), my quick impressions:

Forbort was still pretty steady. would have to watch carefully to see his overall D positioning, but he has some good zone puck control.
Niku wasn't bad. maybe i missed something. the penalty he took was a weak call.
Stanley...maybe his play got better. him and Beaulieu together reminds me of when i'm asked to play D during beer league hockey (i'm normally a forward).
I really do think Beaulieu is the worst Jets' d-man out there. another time where he skated out of position to try to make a Big Hit, even though he has zero body control to make contact for a Big Hit.
Ehlers looked lost today. flub city
Scheifele was Flub City and i think he put his skates on the wrong foot or something. looked sluggish.

it would be really fun to take out Beaulieu and put a line of Stanley-Samberg vs the Sens. like, why not?

At this point, anyone is better than Beaulieu and Niku

Get Samberg and Heinola in there - why not? They're here and the AHL isn't playing.

 

[10Ducky10]

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Impossible

 

[Jet]

I thought Ehlers looked lost all game. Couldn't seem to handle the puck and was reluctant to skate with it. Schief had his moments but Wheeler struggled and was a step behind the play quite a bit. If they are going to be cycling and playing down low they really need a net presence on that line

Ehlers injury (or illness) is probably affecting him

 

[Jet]

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I understand the word, but don't really agree.

The defense was far from prime, and we had a couple of stinkers out there, but I'd say the forwards lost us that game. Countless fumbles leading to extended zone time for the Leafs, and lack of offensive execution.

 

[PhilJets]

Wheeler is a notorious slow-starter. I am not sure people would expect any different this year.

I think before he was younger , he was able to catch up at the end.
As he gets older it becomes harder to catch up every game.

 

[Howard Chuck]

In that PP where they scored, they had Connor, Ehlers, Stastny, Pionk and maybe Scheifele, I don't know, but Wheeler was sitting on the bench. That did not only look good like PP2 tends to look for the Jets, but also scored. Connor was also very close to tie the game in latter PP.

Scheifele had some grade A chances but currently he doesn't have that finishing touch of Connor/Laine.

Toronto looked like a toothless tiger, but somehow they managed to win regardless. With Laine this game was at least even, I am quite sure. Hopefully his injury is not severe.

I thought the first PP looked far better than it has in the past, lots of movement and quick passing.

 

[ecolad]

There is no shame in that either there are maybe 5 to 10 dmen in the league that can drag a bottom pairing or worse dmen to respectability.

If you just isolated on him tonight I thought he was solid for the most part and was really let down by his partner as well as our forwards.

Morrissey wasn`t very efficient last night but I thought the problem was most exposed when Ehlers/Scheiffle/Wheeler were in front of him and there was chaos in the defensive zone. But in the larger picture,there is reason for concern about the apparent fall-off in his individual play. He has shied away from using his body assertively and seems to no longer anticipate/react to what is happening around him nearly as well as we recall in past. As a consequence, he sometimes finds himself in the wrong position to efficiently and seemingly effortlessly make the correct play. Pretty subjective , I know.... just my opinion.

 

[antiqueslivers]

maaaan Ted Lasso is amazing@@

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

maaaan Ted Lasso is amazing@@

Ted Lasso is my favourite show of the year, everybody watch it!

 

[surixon]

Morrissey wasn`t very efficient last night but I thought the problem was most exposed when Ehlers/Scheiffle/Wheeler were in front of him and there was chaos in the defensive zone. But in the larger picture,there is reason for concern about the apparent fall-off in his individual play. He has shied away from using his body assertively and seems to no longer anticipate/react to what is happening around him nearly as well as we recall in past. As a consequence, he sometimes finds himself in the wrong position to efficiently and seemingly effortlessly make the correct play. Pretty subjective , I know.... just my opinion.

I feel hes been a decent amount more assertive this year then last. Yeah there were a few plays were he was out of position last night, mostly in the second when everyone was running around.

I wonder how much of that is lack of trust in partners or new systems. Thinking too much about what is going on around him.

We shall see how things look in a few games once the team is more in sync.

Also maybe we should ban our players from working with Oates. It seems all of them have gotten more passive since working with him.

 

[ps241]

At this point, anyone is better than Beaulieu and Niku

Get Samberg and Heinola in there - why not? They're here and the AHL isn't playing.

Listening to that really fun Maurice, DeBour, Tippett session told me everything I need to know about tenured NHL coaches. They all agree that veterans know how to play better and it takes a while for young players to get it? I happen to strongly disagree with what they were saying when it comes to veterans that are not talented but hey what do I know.

Now I think we need Samberg and Heinola in the mix over Niku already so I don't think it would damage either kid to give them a test run and put them in the rotation until the AHL gets going.

 

[Jets 31]

It's seeming almost like a cheap Winnipegger meme at this point: "I'm paying that man $4.x million dollars a year and I'm gonna get my damn value outta him come hell or high water".

I'm with you and others, take the hit, put the obsolete item in the rafters in the garage (press box) and put it in a garage sale come spring or give it away (don't re-sign). Just accept it isn't what it once was and move on. It might have held value at one point, it doesn't any longer.

Are you talking about Frenchie or Wheeler ?

 

[Huffer]

It looked to me that the team was disorganized for large portions of the game. Whether in the breakout, or in the neutral zone, I saw players not on the same page. Passes sent to areas where there was no one, etc. I'm not going to put too much into it as it's game 2 without a pre season, but even that being said, I've seen some of the other NHL games and I've seen many teams a lot more organized and they are dealing with the same issues. Is that on the coaching? I don't know.

From a player perspective Stanley obviously had the pre game eyes on him. I was hoping he would be un-noticeable and I think for the most part he was. I don't think it was a bad first NHL game after a long break.

Niku looked lost. Especially in the D zone. I've wanted him to get his chance in the past, and not saying he's a lost cause, but he needs to pick it up and soon IMO. He and Beulieu were the week links IMO. I generally like our young players to get eased in, but I'm not 100% that Niku and Bealieu are helping us more than trying Samberg and Heinola.

 

[buggs]

Are you talking about Frenchie or Wheeler ?

Frenchie. Make no mistake, I love Perreault but his game isn't what it once was. No ill will towards him, go with younger guys.

As for Wheeler I'm frustrated with him but I expect as he ages he'll take ever longer to get going. Not good in a shortened season, but I expect late season Wheeler to be more of his old, good self. What frustrates me most about him is he starts slow and we know it, so he should, so should Mau. So why grind his minutes so much now when he's not effective? Save some for when he's playing better. Wheeler himself as the leader on this team should be suggesting that. It's hard to be objective about one's own play but is this about winning or ego?

I'm not overly concerned about last night's game. Much as I loathe the Leafs they are arguably the better team on paper and they definitely played as the better team last night. Functionally we lost 2-1, so the sky isn't falling IMO. What is most disturbing though is the Jets inability or unwillingness to move away from what hasn't worked in the last two + seasons. Few people ever succeed by ramming their head repeatedly into a brick wall trying the same thing over and over again when it doesn't work. The same likely applies to teams.

 

[Jet]

Listening to that really fun Maurice, DeBour, Tippett session told me everything I need to know about tenured NHL coaches. They all agree that veterans know how to play better and it takes a while for young players to get it? I happen to strongly disagree with what they were saying when it comes to veterans that are not talented but hey what do I know.

Now I think we need Samberg and Heinola in the mix over Niku already so I don't think it would damage either kid to give them a test run and put them in the rotation until the AHL gets going.

I'm somewhere in the middle. I think if you want to truly leverage your prospect pool, you need to give them time to grow into the opportunity, reward those who are working hard, and truly give your prospects an opportunity to realize their potential, based of course on performance.

That's why I was all for Stanley getting in over Samberg. He's put the work in, he's doing what the org wants and he deserved his opportunity. Samberg, whilst being better prepared for pro hockey than many of our previous prospects still hadn't really had many reps with the team, and is brand new to the culture, systems, etc.

I do believe that Maurice tends to hold on to vets sometimes, however, I also think that it's overstated greatly on these forums, and I think that the benefits of veterans aren't understood to the extent that allows the average fan to truly appreciate their contributions.

EDIT: As for Niku, I also think it was the appropriate move to have him in the opening day lineup. This is pretty much Sami's last chance with the org. so it's good to try and confirm your assessment of a player as a team before moving away from them.

 

[HannuJ]

At this point, anyone is better than Beaulieu and Niku

Get Samberg and Heinola in there - why not? They're here and the AHL isn't playing.

i agree with you.
i don't think it will happen that quickly, which is a shame, since it's a short season.

shall we have a gentleman's bet that tonight's line-up is the exact same as last night's, except with Samberg in for Stanley?

 

[Do or Die]

Samberg is 24......is the plan to groom him, until 30?

 

[Jet]

i agree with you.
i don't think it will happen that quickly, which is a shame, since it's a short season.

shall we have a gentleman's bet that tonight's line-up is the exact same as last night's, except with Samberg in for Stanley?

Hmmm, I think Stanley showed enough that he stays in.

Of course, this depends on whether Patty is in but I could see the D stay the same (maybe Niku out for Samberg), and, this is wishful thinking, but maybe Perreaults demotion means KV gets in for him?

 

[HannuJ]

Hmmm, I think Stanley showed enough that he stays in.

Of course, this depends on whether Patty is in but I could see the D stay the same (maybe Niku out for Samberg), and, this is wishful thinking, but maybe Perreaults demotion means KV gets in for him?

remember: your thoughts are as relevant as my thoughts.
which means: what do you think Maurice will do?
i bet you Stanley's out

 

[Jet]

remember: your thoughts are as relevant as my thoughts.
which means: what do you think Maurice will do?
i bet you Stanley's out

Hahah truuuuuuuu

So, in Maurice's head: BIG BODY PLUS, ROOKIE MINUS

Luckily for us, he doesn't have a terrible veteran on the trip to replace Stanley with.

I think he keeps him in BUT there is a slight chance he wants Logan to watch a game and wants to give Samberg a shot. HOWEVER, I think the fact remains that Samberg really isn't fully indocrinated as a pro/ Jet so that might be a flag for Maurice.

I'd say Heinola has a better chance to make it in than Samberg (did Ville travel with the team?)

 

[Duke749]

What game did you watch?
Stanley was one of our better D, so NO he should play again.

I mean he played 11 mins against mostly weak competition. If he’s forced to play more we’re in even more trouble defensively.

 

[Gm0ney]

So... Stanley looked good relative to a lot of Jets

Just wait until Huddy teaches him The System...

 

[Gm0ney]

Samberg is 24......is the plan to groom him, until 30?

He turns 22 on Sunday...