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This can't be serious. Shestyorkin is far and away the Rangers top prospect. Best resume and highest upside.
Post first round Top-10 NYR Prospects
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This might be the worst analogy i have ever read. You actually compared a kicker to an NHL goalie.
As a former goalie myself, I’m actually offended.
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Are you saying that goalie is not the most important position? Oh boy.
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Things look so much better than they did two years ago. However, two key elements are not visibly present in the pool - #1 center and #1 Dman. It's possible Chytil is a #1 center down the road, but, it's not guaranteed and he could easily be better on the wing going forward. At least that problem could be easily remedied by an awful year with a shot at Hughes or Turcotte. The #1 Dman does not look as easily remedied. Maybe, a player like Miller or Lundkvist could develop fully and become such a player. I remain skeptical. A year of development could easily change a lot of perspective.
On the bright side, I see at least three top six wings, a very deep defensive pool, and with Andersson and Howden, solid center depth, (grabbing Jake Wise would have been ideal IMO.) And, the goalie poisition remains as deep as any in the league. IMO, the Rangers added a top line forward and two top four defenders in round one, and continued to deepen the defense as a whole in rounds three and four. I'll add Riley Hughes to Morgan Barron as the two dark horses/wild cards in the prospect pool.
Hopefully, next year at this time, a high end center is a well-needed addition.
On the bright side, I see at least three top six wings, a very deep defensive pool, and with Andersson and Howden, solid center depth, (grabbing Jake Wise would have been ideal IMO.) And, the goalie poisition remains as deep as any in the league. IMO, the Rangers added a top line forward and two top four defenders in round one, and continued to deepen the defense as a whole in rounds three and four. I'll add Riley Hughes to Morgan Barron as the two dark horses/wild cards in the prospect pool.
Hopefully, next year at this time, a high end center is a well-needed addition.
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SA16
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Correct I am saying goalie is the least important position and I stand by my comparison to a football kicker. The difference between kickers is not that much. The difference between goalies is not that much. The difference between centers/wings/defenseman is massive. If you rank a goalie as your number 1 prospect I would say you have a horrible prospect pool.
If you don't like the comparison to kickers I would be find using punters instead.
If you don't like the comparison to kickers I would be find using punters instead.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Ummm... I assume the one you were referring to in
QUOTE="broadwayblue, post: 147276347, member: 16696"]He only has one more year[/QUOTE]
Only one more year on a contract I assume
I don't think any of the other players picked in the top 10 were under any contract to any major-pro league outside of the NHL, so I thought that might be a reason there were questions marks.
That made a little happy since if it were the contract, then we got a steal since
That makes me unhappy since the question marks were he is a "climber".
Anyway, its kinda funny no that you were like.
"Yo what contract bee-sides the onez he still is on u tall KING about. dis guy amiritezes..."
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
This might be the worst analogy i have ever read. You actually compared a kicker to an NHL goalie.
As a former goalie myself, I’m actually offended.
Yeah but now you get a quick Freudian slip of what many of them think.
Just keep it for reference when you get harassed in the future for presenting seemingly obvious demonstrative facts such as Shesty being the best since he's been the best so far.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
I f***ing hate this argument
The difference isn't big because these dumb as fan driven metrics don't account well for them and he same people who use them as the holy grail don't know what the f*** they are talking about.
The difference in reality among goalies is huge.
The only time I've seen a goalie "not matter" is when one of the modern dynasty teams win it, and even during the year they win it , the goalie had a half of fame playoffs.
Center is the best gain, but the "goalies don't matter thing" is ridiculous.
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ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Huge side step amigo.
I was alluding to picking more of a consensus pick like Walhstrom or Dobson, or gasp...trying to trade up before 9th.
I never said to choose a sinker over a climber, which is just being ignant G-dawg.
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Kris King's Ghost
- Sheshyorkin- No 1 Goalie. Best in the world outside of the NHL
- Chytil- Top 6 center, two years away from 55-60 points
- Kravtsov- 3 Years away High scoring winger/Converted Top-Line Center 60-70 point upside
- Andersson- All-Purpose Center. 45-55 Point Upside. 1 Year away
- Hajek- Top shutdown option on D. 1/2 a year away
- Pionk- 2nd Pair PMD. Can play now.
- Miller- Top shutdown defenseman, untapped offensive upside. 3 years away.
- Howden- Rangy checking line center. 1 year away.
- Lundkvist- Top 4 PMD. 3 Years away.
- Lindgren- Character 3rd pair d, and PK option. 1 year away.
- Rykov- Two-way D. 2 Years away
- Georgiev - Back-up goalie. 1 Year away
- Lindbom- Potential starter. 5 years away
- Ronning - sparkplug winger- 2 years away
- Gettinger- Complimentary 3rd line winger- 2 years away.
- Huska- Back-Up goalie 3 years away
A guy who plays a position that can win & lose you games singlehandedly is a part-time position player like a kicker?
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Chytil
Shestyorkin
Andersson
Kravtsov
Pionk
Hajek
Howden
Miller
Lundkvist
Lindgren
Georgiev
Rykov
Shestyorkin
Andersson
Kravtsov
Pionk
Hajek
Howden
Miller
Lundkvist
Lindgren
Georgiev
Rykov
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I think it's arguable that a goalie is the least important position other than wing. Seems like systems are more important nowadays than goalies. Doesn't mean he's a kicker either, that was a surprisingly dumb post.
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I can tell you from the perspective of someone very familiar with sports betting if a team is expected to use their starting goalie and then the coach announced at the back up is going to start it barely moves the money line at all. The overall team defense and matchup is far more important than the skill of the individual goalie . They’re not that important because the difference between them is not that large when it reaches this level. There are obvious exceptions in the extremes such as Vegas earlier this year when they had ECHL goalie is playing due to injury
broadwayblue
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Only one more year on a contract I assume
I don't think any of the other players picked in the top 10 were under any contract to any major-pro league outside of the NHL, so I thought that might be a reason there were questions marks.
That made a little happy since if it were the contract, then we got a steal since
That makes me unhappy since the question marks were he is a "climber".
Anyway, its kinda funny no that you were like.
"Yo what contract bee-sides the onez he still is on u tall KING about. dis guy amiritezes..." [/QUOTE]
As opposed to almost every other first round pick who won't be ready to play in the NHL the year they were drafted? What difference does it make if he plays in the KHL or Boston College this season?
broadwayblue
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And a goalie is on the same level of inportance as a kicker? That might be the most ridiculous comparison I've heard on these forums.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
As opposed to almost every other first round pick who won't be ready to play in the NHL the year they were drafted? What difference does it make if he plays in the KHL or Boston College this season?[/QUOTE]
Again, you were like “wut chu smokin...the only contract he has is the one he has”
Anyway, someone else answer saidhe was a climber.
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