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MarkMM said:
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Bingo.



LOL, what the hell, there's more to rebuilding than just coincidentally sucking so much at management that your team bottoms out, if we were truly rebuilding then Benning would get something for UFA's like Hamhuis that aren't coming back, we wouldn't be tossing in draft picks in already lopsided trades, and wouldn't be trading younger, cheaper but troubled players with some upside like Kassian for "culture carrier" older, injured and more expensive pending UFA's like Prust that suck so much we have to waive them...AND TOSSING A DRAFT PICK ON TOP OF THAT.
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heh, remember when it was briefly thought that must be a mistake and that we were getting the draft pick for taking on prust? nope. benning special!
 
Did more digging and here are some more candidates:

Bill Zito
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Zito
https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/new...jackets-as-assistant-general-manager/c-680011

Les Jackson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Jackson_(ice_hockey)
http://stars.ice.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=81838

Jim Schoenfeld
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Schoenfeld
https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/jim-schoenfeld

After reading up more on Brisebois, he certainly doesn't seem to fit into the Benning mold, so would certainly be interested in bringing him on as GM. But rather than re-hashing out Gillis/Gilman, I think someone like Bill Zito would be intriguing if he was interested in taking on the role. Sounds like he has a Mike Gillis-like profile.

The following set-up would be terrific:

President: Les Jackson/Jim Schoenfeld
VP Hockey Ops/GM: Julien BriseBois
Assistant GM: Bill Zito
Assistant GM: Cam Russell (in charge of Utica)

Give the older guy the more senior position and let them handle interactions with the old boys network. Have multiple competent, well-established people within the organization to provide multiple perspectives, rather than the current yes-man, group-think culture that has been established.
 
vancityluongo said:
Did more digging and here are some more candidates:

Bill Zito
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Zito
https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/new...jackets-as-assistant-general-manager/c-680011

Les Jackson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Jackson_(ice_hockey)
http://stars.ice.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=81838

Jim Schoenfeld
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Schoenfeld
https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/jim-schoenfeld

After reading up more on Brisebois, he certainly doesn't seem to fit into the Benning mold, so would certainly be interested in bringing him on as GM. But rather than re-hashing out Gillis/Gilman, I think someone like Bill Zito would be intriguing if he was interested in taking on the role. Sounds like he has a Mike Gillis-like profile.

The following set-up would be terrific:

President: Les Jackson/Jim Schoenfeld
VP Hockey Ops/GM: Julien BriseBois
Assistant GM: Bill Zito
Assistant GM: Cam Russell (in charge of Utica)

Give the older guy the more senior position and let them handle interactions with the old boys network. Have multiple competent, well-established people within the organization to provide multiple perspectives, rather than the current yes-man, group-think culture that has been established.
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I don't know why Zito would leave his AGM job in Columbus to join the Canucks as an AGM.
 
Nuckles said:
I don't know why Zito would leave his AGM job in Columbus to join the Canucks as an AGM.
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Oops, thought for some reason he was just GM of the Monsters even though the link I posted states otherwise. :laugh: Fair enough.

Money?? If not, he actually sounds like a decent candidate for GM.
 
vancityluongo said:
Oops, thought for some reason he was just GM of the Monsters even though the link I posted states otherwise. :laugh: Fair enough.

Money?? If not, he actually sounds like a decent candidate for GM.
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These still list him as AGM:
https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/team/staff
https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/team/staff-directory

I don't think money would be enough to convince him to join another team with the same position. Also, I can't really think of any time a team has allowed a person under contract to talk with another team about an open spot for the exact same position they currently hold.
 
Nuckles said:
These still list him as AGM:
https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/team/staff
https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/team/staff-directory

I don't think money would be enough to convince him to join another team with the same position. Also, I can't really think of any time a team has allowed a person under contract to talk with another team about an open spot for the exact same position they currently hold.
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Yeah, he's still AGM haha. Scratch him off of that list, unless it's for GM.

I can't think of any. Closest I can think of (and timing may be off) is when the Canucks let Craig Heisinger go to the Jets organization when the Moose left town. Would probably have to be a personal reason like that, which wouldn't apply here.
 
Pierre, Ferraro and Button. Maybe then TSN will give us a better radio pbp guy than Abbott.
 
Horrorshow said:
omfg, NO to Ferraro. he's exactly as qualified to run a NHL franchise as anyone here.
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He's just there to yell at people and tell the media/ownership to shut their mouth. Basically what Linden was supposed to do. Pierre and Button actually have some decent experience and we could honestly do worse but I was kidding about the three of them.
 
Poach
Bill Peters from Carolina as Head Coach
An Assistant GM from Tampa as GM
And Dale Tallon from Florida as President or throw $$$$ at Bobby Orr
 
Horrorshow said:
omfg, NO to Ferraro. he's exactly as qualified to run a NHL franchise as anyone here.
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But Jim Benning and Trevor Linden are somehow more qualified? Ferraro isn't my first choice but he's proven that his analysis and understanding of the game is much better than both of them combined.
 
I like Ferraro because he has the balls to say what he thinks, and unlike Cherry is actually right sometimes.

That being said, he still isn't right often enough to be an NHL manager, and I think he might have some ego problems which as we've learned with Benning/Linden don't belong in an NHL front office.
 
Ferraro and Co are only talking trash and not afraid to say anything because they lost the NHL rights. If they'd had them, they'd be restrained again
 
Any one have real thoughts on a guy like Sai Okabayashi. Left the devils to live in seattle. I don't know much about, just a bit more than what was in the 30 thoughts, this week.
 
racerjoe said:
Any one have real thoughts on a guy like Sai Okabayashi. Left the devils to live in seattle. I don't know much about, just a bit more than what was in the 30 thoughts, this week.
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I literally know nothing about him. What was Friedman saying?

Right now I would say someone like Maloney as President, Brisebois as GM, and a savvy cap expert as AGM. We also should revamp our scouting department. It sucks that we lost Crawford to tweedle-dumb's first year purge. Hopefully under new management we can bring in some bright amateur scouts, and some legitimate pro-scouts. Our pro-scouting has been complete trash.
 
I vote for John Weisbrod.....then we'd be guarantied at least three first overall picks in row, like Edmonton...heck if you want to go 'all-in' on the Edmonton model, where are Lowe and Tambellini these days?
 
y2kcanucks said:
I literally know nothing about him. What was Friedman saying?

Right now I would say someone like Maloney as President, Brisebois as GM, and a savvy cap expert as AGM. We also should revamp our scouting department. It sucks that we lost Crawford to tweedle-dumb's first year purge. Hopefully under new management we can bring in some bright amateur scouts, and some legitimate pro-scouts. Our pro-scouting has been complete trash.
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Here are some of the clips via the 30 thoughts;

His name is Sai Okabayashi. His website, the best for showing in-game head-to-head matchups in an easily sortable format, went dormant two years ago after the New Jersey Devils added him to their analytics staff. It was “highly recommended†by the Devils that the website become available only to the organization. Wise decision to agree.

In 2014, New Jersey recruited author, poker player, investor and hockey blogger Sunny Mehta to lead the NHL’s first full-time such department. He hired Okabayashi for some technical expertise.

Shiftchart’s rebirth means exactly what you think. Okabayashi is no longer with the Devils. His wife had a job opportunity on the West Coast, and, as a result, the family moved to Seattle.
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Says he could have stayed on, but didn't want to work away from team just doing data. Loved going into the office and talking to everyone to work the problem. Talks about the difference between Luo and Shero. Moved to the west coast though and would love to get back into hockey ops, just wants to be close to his family on the west coast.
 
SillyRabbit said:
But Jim Benning and Trevor Linden are somehow more qualified? Ferraro isn't my first choice but he's proven that his analysis and understanding of the game is much better than both of them combined.
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that doesn't make him fit to run an nhl franchise.
 
This is all I want in a new GM:

A guy who makes the simple decisions.

The guy who picks Tkachuk, the safer and obvious pick, over Juolevi just to create a stir and because they think they're some sort of scouting god that sees what the rest of the world doesn't see.

The guy who deals Hamhuis for any asset he can get back in return rather than let him go unsigned in the offseason because he's trying so hard to get "Maximum value" until the 12 o clock deadline.

The guy who doesn't think about "Moneyball" or "Going off the board to get a pick we believe makes our organization better", but the guy who drafts the BPA, makes the sensible trades to gain future assets rather than "push for the playoffs", and the guy who sells at the deadline.

You know, simple obvious GM stuff. I don't want another "innovator" or "the guy that is the best scout so we can trust his off-the-board picks" or the "stats guru". Just a simple old-boys club guy who's been around the league for a long time and makes the obvious decisions.
 
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