Post-Game Talk: Poor discipline and poor reffing is a bad combination

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I've seen every angle of it now I think and I don't think there was high stick contact on that play. It was a good goal

You are wrong.

 

[Stoneman89]

No wonder Doughty always has that shit eating grin on his ugly face. He knows that no matter what he or his team do, that they will be made winners at the end of the game.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Colorado lost 4 games last year. So there goes that theory

Its a bit harder to fix hockey. Obviously doable. But not as much as say Football or Football.

If I have some time I'll dig deeper but it seems like more series are going longer duration, and it seems like this is occurring more often than it used to in first round where there are the biggest bonanza of clubs.

The NHL specifically going from 1vs 16 playoff format to divisional play was all about making series more even. A price cap was all about owners saving money and making parity, and thus teams more equal=longer series and whole regular seasons where theres little separation. Divisional play also about divisional rivalry and getting fans frothing at the mouth. Thats all this is and its working like a charm.

The Oilers draw a lot of viewers. Theyre one of the top draw viewing teams. Either TV or in gate. Wherever they go.

From a bucks pov the NHL shouldn't want the Oilers out. But they would want them to be playing more games, and more OT games.

The NHL would have done the same with Colorado but that team really peaked and nobody could even hang with them.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

The oilers have consistently been a top 5-8 team in terms of operating income in the National Hockey League over the last while. To suggest the league is unfair to Canadian teams because they want bigger US markets still in the playoffs is a bit odd, considering teams like Toronto/Montreal/Edmonton are some of the highest earners in the league.

If this is about profits, the NHL would do well to KEEP Edmonton and Toronto in the playoffs. Yet, both fanbases think there is some conspiracy theory here to eliminate them.

The reffing is awful, don't get me wrong. But this isn't some screw job organized by the league. The conspiracy theory shit is just embarrassing and a bad look for the fanbases of both teams. The Oilers did it to themselves last night.

They have no incentive to correct anything though do they?

I dont really need an email leak or a smoking gun---you can just look at penalty numbers and Stanley Cup finalists over the past 20 years as per ChaoticOrange.

Is it completely blatant? Or is it just blatant enough?

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Several NFL players for decades have been speaking openly about game rigging and fixing and all that seems to create is more interest and people spending thousands of bucks to go to a superbowl to see Rihanna dance around in a Teletubby outfit while the whole broadcast lectures about false virtue. The shark jump went right into orbit

"Theres one born every"

People just lining up saying take all my money.

If you're an older person you've even seen in one lifetime how pro sports went to a middle class thing and taking the family out to see a game, eat hot dogs, and cheap entertainment and family bonding. Now its take out a mortgage on house, buy STH or playoff tickets, spend more on parking then games used to cost. Spend more on a beer than a hockey ticket would cost, and then be in an environment that resembles bar except you paid tons to be in that shit show atmosphere instead of just walking in for free.

Would you be shocked to learn that yesterday the NFL suspended multiple players for...wait for it...betting on the NFL! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtains, folks.

 

[3IR]

I don’t really understand this take.

I agree there isn’t some conspiracy from the top down to specifically not call anyone for penalties they take against the oilers, but to say the refs aren’t “anti-Oilers” fees like letting them off too easy.

They may not be getting instructed from the top to let the kings win, but when the same slashes/interferences/etc are called a penalty for one side, and not the other, then they’re clearly anti-Oilers. Is it due to them hating us and wanting to see us lose? I doubt it.

However we’ve heard through the year from the media, including those previously involved with, or who played in the NHL that the Oilers historic PP, and Mcdavid simply being too good to contain through regular means, is likely a reason they’re not getting calls. “You can’t call everything” is something I’ve heard so many media people say when there’s complaints about Mcdavid taking so much abuse.

My issue isn’t that I think the refs are mad at us and out to get us, it’s that they’re managing the games we play to try and keep our PP from determining the outcome of the game, so they stop making calls in our favour unless they egregious, or black and white. Meanwhile the kings never appear to have momentum because they just sit back and clog up everything waiting for a mistake to capitalize on, so giving them a PP appears more “fair”.

Obviously sometimes it’s simply just bad calls all around, but anyone who’s watched Mcdavid get mugged every single game since he joined the league including multiple targeted knee on knee attempts after recovering from that terrifying injury, only to see them not call anything, knows that there’s a bias for one reason or another.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Its a bit harder to fix hockey. Obviously doable. But not as much as say Football or Football.

If I have some time I'll dig deeper but it seems like more series are going longer duration, and it seems like this is occurring more often than it used to in first round where there are the biggest bonanza of clubs.

The Oilers draw a lot of viewers. Theyre one of the top draw viewing teams. Either TV or in gate. Wherever they go.

From a bucks pov the NHL shouldn't want the Oilers out. But they would want them to be playing more games, and more OT games.

Col beat Nashville in 4.......LAST YEAR. Nashville, the utopia of a hockey market and playoff series that would print money.

So the fact that Bettman "allowed" that series to get swept, leaving millions on the table, blows what you're saying out of the water

 

[thaman8765678]

If the same review happened the other way, it would have been called no goal. No question about it.

It's 100% a bias against Canadian teams. It's an uphill battle for any Canadian franchise to win the cup these days with the leagues agenda.

 

[bobbythebrain]

If the same review happened the other way, it would have been called no goal. No question about it.

It's 100% a bias against Canadian teams. It's an uphill battle for any Canadian franchise to win the cup these days with the leagues agenda.

Montreal went to a cup final 2 years ago, or did you miss that? FYI, Montreal is in Canada

 

[Drivesaitl]

Col beat Nashville in 4.......LAST YEAR. Nashville, the utopia of a hockey market and playoff series that would print money.

So the fact that Bettman "allowed" that series to get swept, leaving millions on the table, blows what you're saying out of the water

lol what? Nashville were the worst team in the playoffs and since when is that a "utopia hockey market."

Serious? you can't be serious.

Its remarkable Colorado didn't win the series in 3 games.

But you entirely missed me stating that the AV's went nova, and teams couldn't handle them. AV's were just too good last season.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

The oilers have consistently been a top 5-8 team in terms of operating income in the National Hockey League over the last while. To suggest the league is unfair to Canadian teams because they want bigger US markets still in the playoffs is a bit odd, considering teams like Toronto/Montreal/Edmonton are some of the highest earners in the league.

If this is about profits, the NHL would do well to KEEP Edmonton and Toronto in the playoffs. Yet, both fanbases think there is some conspiracy theory here to eliminate them.

The reffing is awful, don't get me wrong. But this isn't some screw job organized by the league. The conspiracy theory shit is just embarrassing and a bad look for the fanbases of both teams. The Oilers did it to themselves last night.

The problem is, asses will fill the seats in these cities regardless of how the team is performing so the league makes money off of them for 41 nights during the regular season regardless.

Any mediocre US based team, which we have seen tons of photographic evidence in the past, will have an empty arena if they're not a playoff team. Come playoffs, the bandwagoners come out of the pile and pretend to be a diehard and fill the place so it does not matter where, any arena around the NHL will be full for playoff games.

 

[soothsayer]

Not that is needs rehashing but this is the best clip I have seen.

That's the first conclusive shot I've seen outside the obvious implication of physics. That video makes it clear what anyone with half a brain already knew: the puck obviously hits the stick.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The oilers have consistently been a top 5-8 team in terms of operating income in the National Hockey League over the last while. To suggest the league is unfair to Canadian teams because they want bigger US markets still in the playoffs is a bit odd, considering teams like Toronto/Montreal/Edmonton are some of the highest earners in the league.

If this is about profits, the NHL would do well to KEEP Edmonton and Toronto in the playoffs. Yet, both fanbases think there is some conspiracy theory here to eliminate them.

The reffing is awful, don't get me wrong. But this isn't some screw job organized by the league. The conspiracy theory shit is just embarrassing and a bad look for the fanbases of both teams. The Oilers did it to themselves last night.

If sunny city teams aren’t cup contenders they don’t make any money. Teams like that winning the cup is way better for the league money wise.

I agree it’s not some conspiracy but to pretend the league would financially benefit more from a Canadian team winning over a sun belt team is just not true.

 

[Jumptheshark]

for you amusement or just for a moment of levity.

Today at work, we played a game called Hunt the Homeless (no not like that). I am down in a place called Bournemouth right now Bournemouth · United Kingdom

just to give you an idea where it is

Anyway--I took over manager two hotels side by side a little while ago and we have had a run of homeless people breaking in and not just sleeping but causing undo damage. So today we spent the day looking top to bottom looking for 4 homeless guys who would hide in the hotel in the daytime and then come out at night, hit the kitchen and a bar that was left unattended.

We found two guys right away. In looking at CCTV and a few other things. We figured they were in the lower basement in a couple of former offices. Took us about 3 hours to find them and when we did--we opened the door and one guy said "Took you long enough--you walked right by us 5 times" The left quietly but they dogged us out for taking so long to find them

 

[McBigYak]

lol what? Nashville were the worst team in the playoffs and since when is that a "utopia hockey market."

Serious? you can't be serious.

Its remarkable Colorado didn't win the series in 3 games.

But you entirely missed me stating that the AV's went nova, and teams couldn't handle them. AV's were just too good last season.

Nashville consistently puts up some of the highest attendance numbers in the league. They are a very strong market.

 

[3IR]

The oilers have consistently been a top 5-8 team in terms of operating income in the National Hockey League over the last while. To suggest the league is unfair to Canadian teams because they want bigger US markets still in the playoffs is a bit odd, considering teams like Toronto/Montreal/Edmonton are some of the highest earners in the league.

If this is about profits, the NHL would do well to KEEP Edmonton and Toronto in the playoffs. Yet, both fanbases think there is some conspiracy theory here to eliminate them.

The reffing is awful, don't get me wrong. But this isn't some screw job organized by the league. The conspiracy theory shit is just embarrassing and a bad look for the fanbases of both teams. The Oilers did it to themselves last night.

Again, I don’t think the league is out to get us, but this line of thinking is exactly why I think they’d be more likely to be biased against the Canadian teams.

Regardless of the product, Edmonton and Toronto will continue to provide consistent top 10 revenue for the league. Meanwhile teams who are newer to the league, or whose fans are more likely to stop watching a bad/losing team may see more serious drops in attendance and revenues.

I don’t think there’s a conspiracy where they all hang out and discuss screwing certain teams, but it’s hard to imagine Bettman and even the owners aren’t hoping for an American Stanley cup winner every year in an attempt to cement hockey as a staple in whatever fair weather market wins, and help potentially grow into other markets in the US. It’s a business, and in the current system, businesses are forever chasing growth, and an American team winning is what’s best for growing the business.

 

[McBigYak]

The problem is, asses will fill the seats in these cities regardless of how the team is performing so the league makes money off of them for 41 nights during the regular season regardless.

Any mediocre US based team, which we have seen tons of photographic evidence in the past, will have an empty arena if they're not a playoff team. Come playoffs, the bandwagoners come out of the pile and pretend to be a diehard and fill the place so it does not matter where, any arena around the NHL will be full for playoff games.

Yeah but again, if it's about profits, they want these teams in the playoffs, not out of them. Some of the top earning teams in the regular season are going to print money in the playoffs.

 

[soothsayer]

for you amusement or just for a moment of levity.

Today at work, we played a game called Hunt the Homeless (no not like that). I am down in a place called Bournemouth right now Bournemouth · United Kingdom

just to give you an idea where it is

Anyway--I took over manager two hotels side by side a little while ago and we have had a run of homeless people breaking in and not just sleeping but causing undo damage. So today we spent the day looking top to bottom looking for 4 homeless guys who would hide in the hotel in the daytime and then come out at night, hit the kitchen and a bar that was left unattended.

We found two guys right away. In looking at CCTV and a few other things. We figured they were in the lower basement in a couple of former offices. Took us about 3 hours to find them and when we did--we opened the door and one guy said "Took you long enough--you walked right by us 5 times" The left quietly but they dogged us out for taking so long to find them

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[McBigYak]

Again, I don’t think the league is out to get us, but this line of thinking is exactly why I think they’d be more likely to be biased against the Canadian teams.

Regardless of the product, Edmonton and Toronto will continue to provide consistent top 10 revenue for the league. Meanwhile teams who are newer to the league, or whose fans are more likely to stop watching a bad/losing team may see more serious drops in attendance and revenues.

I don’t think there’s a conspiracy where they all hang out and discuss screwing certain teams, but it’s hard to imagine Bettman and even the owners aren’t hoping for an American Stanley cup winner every year in an attempt to cement hockey as a staple in whatever fair weather market wins, and help potentially grow into other markets in the US. It’s a business, and in the current system, businesses are forever chasing growth, and an American team winning is what’s best for growing the business.

Yeah, not sure I buy it to be honest. LA was one of the top earner last year as well.

If you want to grow the game in the US, you put McDavid and Draisaitl on prime time in a Stanley Cup final. It makes zero sense that the NHL is doing what people are suggesting they're doing.

Profits make zero sense. Edmonton/Toronto would print more money than any other team in the league in the playoffs.

Growing the game makes zero sense. To grow the game, you highlight your superstars. Edmonton has 2 of the best players in the league.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Nashville consistently puts up some of the highest attendance numbers in the league. They are a very strong market.

By offering some of the cheapest seats anywhere and endless ticket promotions.

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Half a dozen years ago Preds were getting 15K fans. Even at bottom of the barrel cheap ticket prices.

Some gold mine..

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

That's the first conclusive shot I've seen outside the obvious implication of physics. That video makes it clear what anyone with half a brain already knew: the puck obviously hits the stick.

I gotta stop watching these videos before I lose my mind. If the kings end up winning this series it will be tarnished in my mind and should have an asterisk beside it.

 

[McBigYak]

By offering some of the cheapest seats anywhere and endless ticket promotions.

Special Offers | Nashville Predators

The official National Hockey League website including news, rosters, stats, schedules, teams, and video.

www.nhl.com

Half a dozen years ago Preds were getting 15K fans. Even at bottom of the barrel cheap ticket prices.

Some gold mine..

Having been to multiple myself, I can tell you that Predators games are not cheap. Nowhere even close.

I mean even a simple Google search shows you that they are in the top ten for most expensive tickets in the league. They've sold out the building for practically a decade.

 

[alphahelix]

The league has overtly stated its goal of growing the game into the largest US media markets many times. It’s a business and they are making huge stacks from gambling now. A lot of people participate in the game through that avenue. There is plenty to question.

Why wouldn’t they instruct refs to manage games and keep them close, and maintain parity in the league? (Another stated goal/directive of the league over the past decade). Why wouldn’t they want to nudge series in US major media markets to go longer or keep those teams in it? Why wouldn’t Stephen Walkom and George Parros et al. Issue guidance suggesting crackdowns against guys like Kane and Desharnais while allowing embellishment and diving from guys like Arvidsson? Discipline in fines and suspensions is routinely catered to the offending player based on the discretion of the department.

The league under Bettman hasn’t exactly demonstrated a steadfast commitment to the sanctity of the gentlemens game, or to equitable discipline. Why would this be different? The numbers going into this game showed LA with the most PP TOI in the NHL, and the Oilers with the least. This game had at least 3 calls that were absolutely ridiculous while LA was doing the same or worse in the exact same game before the eyes of the same refs. Thats not equal treatment, and there is a reason for it. The coup de grace of the blatant high stick is just the cherry on top.

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

Why are assholes trying to gaslight oilers fans for BS reffing? This pisses me off

 

[McBigYak]

The league has overtly stated its goal of growing the game into the largest US media markets many times. It’s a business and they are making huge stacks from gambling now. A lot of people participate in the game through that avenue. There is plenty to question.

Why wouldn’t they instruct refs to manage games and keep them close, and maintain parity in the league? Why wouldn’t they want to nudge series in US major media markets to go longer or keep those teams in it? Why wouldn’t Stephen Walkom and George Parros et al. Issue guidance suggesting crackdowns against guys like Kane and Desharnais while allowing embellishment and diving from guys like Arvidsson? Discipline in fines and suspensions is routinely catered to the offending player based on the discretion of the department. The league under Bettman hasn’t exactly demonstrated a commitment to the sanctity of the gentlemens game, or to equitable discipline. Why would this be different? The numbers going into this game showed LA with the most PP TOI in the NHL, and the Oilers with the least. This game had at least 3 calls that were absolutely ridiculous while LA was doing the same or worse in the exact same game before the eyes of the same refs. Thats not equal treatment, and there is a reason for it. The coup de grace of the blatant high stick is just the cherry on top.

As one of the most profitable teams in the league and a team that holds the two best players on the planet, what incentive does the league have to eliminate the Oilers from the postseason? It makes absolutely zero sense. LA is not going to make as much money as the Oilers going forward in the postseason, and having LA in the finals is not going to grow the game as much as having McDavid/Draisaitl in them would.

There is no narrative here that makes sense. I'm all for a good conspiracy theory. But there needs to be a logical reason, or it just gets silly.