WC: Poland 2024 roster talk.

SoundAndFury

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Speaking of players with polish roots, Adam Brodecki would be a great add. IIHF needs to change the rules.
Well he can just move to Poland, we found out PHL is just about his skill level at this point :sarcasm:

It's also not up to IIHF either, at this point it's clear PHF doesn't intend to use any of the naturalized players unless they absolutely have to.
 

legionista

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Here are Poland's scheduled pre WC exhibition games, total of 8 from April 12 - May 7. All solid opponents that should test this team.

12-13 April, Krynica-Zdrój
vs. Hungary x2

18-19 April, Bytom
vs Slovenia x2

26-27 April, Nottingham
vs. GB x2

3 May Bratysława or Trenczyn
vs. Slovakia

7 May, Sosnowiec
vs. Denmark
 
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Khokhlach86

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First roster

1. Bryk Mateusz GKS Tychy
2. Brynkus Sebastian COMARCH Cracovia
3. Chmielewski Aron HC Olomouc
4. Ciura Bartosz GKS Tychy
5. Dronia Paweł Ravensburg Towerstars
6. Florczak Bartosz MARMA CIARKO STS Sanok
7. Fucik Tomas GKS Tychy
8. Górny Kamil JKH GKS Jastrzębie
9. Horzelski Marcin PZU PODHALE Nowy Targ
10. Jaśkiewicz Oskar GKS Tychy
11. Jeziorski Bartłomiej GKS Tychy
12. Kapica Damian PZU PODHALE Nowy Targ
13. Krężołek Patryk ZAGŁĘBIE Sosnowiec
14. Kolusz Marcin JKH GKS Jastrzębie
15. Komorski Filip GKS Tychy
16. Kostek Arkadiusz JKH GKS Jastrzębie
17. Łyszczarczyk Alan GKS Tychy
18. Miarka Maciej JKH GKS Jastrzębie
19. Paś Dominik JKH GKS Jastrzębie
20. Tyczyński Damian ZAGŁĘBIE Sosnowiec
21. Urbanowicz Maciej JKH GKS Jastrzębie
22. Wajda Patryk JKH GKS Jastrzębie
23. Wałęga Kamil HC OCELARII Trinec/Czechy
24. Wielkiewicz Filip PZU PODHALE Nowy Targ
25. Wronka Patryk PZU PODHALE Nowy Targ
26. Zabolotny David EHC Freiburg/Niemcy
27. Zieliński Mateusz KH ENERGA Toruń
28. Zygmunt Paweł HC Litvinov
 
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Polish Eagle

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Hello everyone.
@legionista, you slightly overestimate the capabilities of Polish hockey, PHL and Polish players. You write that several players could play in the AHL. Don't be in the clouds.I have been following hockey for years. Our national team's play improved only when several players started playing regularly abroad. Coach Kalaber also made a significant contribution to improving the team's play. Don't you remember what it looked like before? Don't you remember dropping to 1B? You don't remember the tragic game in PP where they couldn't even construct an action. If the Polish national team were to rely on players playing only in the PHL, we would never advance to the Elite.The problem is that hockey in Poland will never come close to the best European leagues. Hockey in Poland is not a national sport like in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Finland, etc. It is a niche sport in our country, you have to say that clearly.The problem is also the activists and the authorities who have no idea how to build real hockey. Mario Czerkawski once talked about this. People like him are needed in the structures, not forest grandparents.

Regards and see you in Ostrava.
 

legionista

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Hello everyone.
@legionista, you slightly overestimate the capabilities of Polish hockey, PHL and Polish players. You write that several players could play in the AHL. Don't be in the clouds.I have been following hockey for years. Our national team's play improved only when several players started playing regularly abroad. Coach Kalaber also made a significant contribution to improving the team's play. Don't you remember what it looked like before? Don't you remember dropping to 1B? You don't remember the tragic game in PP where they couldn't even construct an action. If the Polish national team were to rely on players playing only in the PHL, we would never advance to the Elite.The problem is that hockey in Poland will never come close to the best European leagues. Hockey in Poland is not a national sport like in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Finland, etc. It is a niche sport in our country, you have to say that clearly.The problem is also the activists and the authorities who have no idea how to build real hockey. Mario Czerkawski once talked about this. People like him are needed in the structures, not forest grandparents.

Regards and see you in Ostrava.
The fact remains the league itself has gotten stronger over the last few years, bringing in more foreign talent and consequently making the league stronger. I too have been following Polish hockey for 30+ years, and the top few players in the PHL (Polish and foreign) could make it onto an AHL roster, like I said before and I don't want to get into it again, those players would clearly not be top players on said AHL roster however.

To your point about foreign based players leading this team in 2023 WC, which ones are you referring to, because the leaders of this team were all PHL players (Dziubinski, Pasiut, Wronka, Fraszko, Murray). Walega and Zygmunt contributed, but were not the leaders of this team.

The rest about hockey being a niche sport in Poland, I agree with. It's not even in the top 10 if you include motorsports and MMA.
 
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PanniniClaus

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Hello everyone.
@legionista, you slightly overestimate the capabilities of Polish hockey, PHL and Polish players. You write that several players could play in the AHL. Don't be in the clouds.I have been following hockey for years. Our national team's play improved only when several players started playing regularly abroad. Coach Kalaber also made a significant contribution to improving the team's play. Don't you remember what it looked like before? Don't you remember dropping to 1B? You don't remember the tragic game in PP where they couldn't even construct an action. If the Polish national team were to rely on players playing only in the PHL, we would never advance to the Elite.The problem is that hockey in Poland will never come close to the best European leagues. Hockey in Poland is not a national sport like in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Finland, etc. It is a niche sport in our country, you have to say that clearly.The problem is also the activists and the authorities who have no idea how to build real hockey. Mario Czerkawski once talked about this. People like him are needed in the structures, not forest grandparents.

Regards and see you in Ostrava.
Welcome Polish Eagle. Poland definitely need the right people in charge first and foremost.

Playing outside Poland is also huge if you want a whiff of the top division, even Div 1 A, when Russia and Belarus are allowed back.
 

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Krzysztof Macias of WHL club Prince Albert Raiders will be joining the NT camp on April 15. Really hope he makes the final team, I don't see why he wouldn't unless the coach has some personal issues with him.

 
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Eye of Ra

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The fact that the polish league has a spot in Champions League is proof that PHL have become better.

Thats as many spots as the leagues of Denmark, Norway, France and UK have. Which indicates that PHL is as good as those leagues.
 
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Khokhlach86

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Current roster

Bryk Mateusz
Chmielewski Aron
Ciura Bartosz
Dronia Paweł
Dziubiński Krystian
Fraszko Bartosz
Fucik Tomas
Górny Kamil
Horzelski Marcin
Jaśkiewicz Oskar
Jeziorski Bartłomiej
Kapica Damian
Krężołek Patryk
Kruczek Maciej
Kolusz Marcin
Komorski Filip
Kostek Arkadiusz
Łyszczarczyk Alan
Maciaś Kacper
Maciaś Krzysztof
Miarka Maciej
Michalski Mateusz
Murray John
Pasiut Grzegorz
Paś Dominik
Smal Igor
Starzyński Filip
Tyczyński Damian
Urbanowicz Maciej
Wajda Patryk
Wałęga Kamil
Wanacki Jakub
Wronka Patryk
Zabolotny David
Zygmunt Paweł
 
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Eye of Ra

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What exceptions do poles have? the fans, media, the players/staff?

In my eyes, might not have super skilled players but poles are well organized and works hard. I think there is big chance to stay up.

Wont stand a chance against top teams such as USA, Germany, Slovakia and Latvia. But against Kazaksthan, France and Sweden its 50-50.
 

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What exceptions do poles have? the fans, media, the players/staff?

In my eyes, might not have super skilled players but poles are well organized and works hard. I think there is big chance to stay up.

Wont stand a chance against top teams such as USA, Germany, Slovakia and Latvia. But against Kazaksthan, France and Sweden its 50-50.
Sweden :huh::biglaugh:
 

PanniniClaus

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What exceptions do poles have? the fans, media, the players/staff?

In my eyes, might not have super skilled players but poles are well organized and works hard. I think there is big chance to stay up.

Wont stand a chance against top teams such as USA, Germany, Slovakia and Latvia. But against Kazaksthan, France and Sweden its 50-50.
Bet 365 have them favorites over Sweden.
 

legionista

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Up to this date Poland has played 6 out of the 8 exhibition games, they won both games vs. Hungary, lost both to Slovenia, lost both to GB in GB. The games they lost, they were all close within a goal or two, in the last GB game it went to a shoot out after 1:1 tie.

Two more games to go vs. Slovakia and Denmark, which are a level above the previous competition. Currently the squad is still being rotated, and per Polish coach Kalaber they still have not played in their strongest lineup, I imagine they will however in the last two exhibition games.

From what I saw in those games, biggest problem is scoring on the PP and some questionable goaltending by 3rd and 4th goaltenders.
 

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Never have been following the Polish league. Any ideas how good it is compared to, for example, Slovak league? Or Austria?
 

legionista

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JKH GKS Jastrzębie U18 team in the Riga Cup 2024 defeated teams from Latvia and Sweden

The U18 NT advanced from Div. 2A pretty easily this year, although by many this was seen as an obligation, they do have a few interesting young players.

It's been a strange couple years though, feels like the senior team is overachieving and the youth teams are underachieving. As for the PZHL, they are doing a very poor job promoting the sport nationally, the exhibition game vs. Slovakia tomorrow won't even be broadcast live in the country. Apparently equestrian is more important 🙄
 
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aonb

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had no idea we were having such a discussion about polish hockey here. awesome. i could have guessed that after advancing to the WC, a few posters would wake up, and there would also be a few newcomers. we owe our advancement to several factors: luck, weird consistency, and the obvious political situation, which is not worth mentioning. as for hockey itself in Poland, nothing has changed (anyone who thinks otherwise is simply distorting reality). people in Poland prefer to watch (in random order) speedway, ski jumping, soccer, handball, volleyball, basketball, MMA, tennis, celebrity fights, fights of alcoholics who stream their parties on the internet. we don't have ice rinks, we don't have a training program, and at the highest level of management, it's been the same old guys for years. the current national champion, Unia Oświęcim (i live in Oświęcim, so it's "my" team), had 7 Poles on the ice, of which only 3 had any impact on the game. the remaining 4 were on the ice simply because league regulations require it - they just skated for a few minutes hoping not to concede a goal in that time lol. i would like to believe that these championships, the first in over 20 years, will be some kind of impetus towards change, but i'm afraid it's just wishful thinking. we need a generational shift in thinking, a concrete plan to rebuild this sport. i see neither the willingness nor the idea for this to happen. we have many experts who say what a great opportunity this is, that it must be seized, blah blah. i've been hearing the same words for over a dozen years, whenever we advance/relegate between lower divisions. as for the national team - the reality is that we can beat Italy but lose to frickin Korea or Ukraine (yeah i know they've been amazing at WCIB against giants like Spain, Netherland or Estonia). anyone who, without irony, thinks that matches against France or Kazakhstan will be 50/50 has completely lost their mind. our leaders are 37-year-old Pasiut, 36-year-old Dziubiński - currently completely out of shape, in our Oświęcim team only 3G and 5A in the playoffs, Chmielewski after a serious injury and a disastrous season in Olomouc (even before the injury, he played poorly). to avoid relegation, the players have to play the tournament of their lives, AND France + Kazakhstan must play a truly terrible tournament at the same time. the remaining games simply need to be lost in decent style (with as little goal difference as possible, but i think it will be hard to avoid 10 GA at some point) as not to kill the fighting spirit for the most important matches
 
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Eye of Ra

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Apparently Aron Chmiemewski is cut from the team. Thats a surprise.
Just shows the depth they have.

had no idea we were having such a discussion about polish hockey here. awesome. i could have guessed that after advancing to the WC, a few posters would wake up, and there would also be a few newcomers. we owe our advancement to several factors: luck, weird consistency, and the obvious political situation, which is not worth mentioning. as for hockey itself in Poland, nothing has changed (anyone who thinks otherwise is simply distorting reality). people in Poland prefer to watch (in random order) speedway, ski jumping, soccer, handball, volleyball, basketball, MMA, tennis, celebrity fights, fights of alcoholics who stream their parties on the internet. we don't have ice rinks, we don't have a training program, and at the highest level of management, it's been the same old guys for years. the current national champion, Unia Oświęcim (i live in Oświęcim, so it's "my" team), had 7 Poles on the ice, of which only 3 had any impact on the game. the remaining 4 were on the ice simply because league regulations require it - they just skated for a few minutes hoping not to concede a goal in that time lol. i would like to believe that these championships, the first in over 20 years, will be some kind of impetus towards change, but i'm afraid it's just wishful thinking. we need a generational shift in thinking, a concrete plan to rebuild this sport. i see neither the willingness nor the idea for this to happen. we have many experts who say what a great opportunity this is, that it must be seized, blah blah. i've been hearing the same words for over a dozen years, whenever we advance/relegate between lower divisions. as for the national team - the reality is that we can beat Italy but lose to frickin Korea or Ukraine (yeah i know they've been amazing at WCIB against giants like Spain, Netherland or Estonia). anyone who, without irony, thinks that matches against France or Kazakhstan will be 50/50 has completely lost their mind. our leaders are 37-year-old Pasiut, 36-year-old Dziubiński - currently completely out of shape, in our Oświęcim team only 3G and 5A in the playoffs, Chmielewski after a serious injury and a disastrous season in Olomouc (even before the injury, he played poorly). to avoid relegation, the players have to play the tournament of their lives, AND France + Kazakhstan must play a truly terrible tournament at the same time. the remaining games simply need to be lost in decent style (with as little goal difference as possible, but i think it will be hard to avoid 10 GA at some point) as not to kill the fighting spirit for the most important matches
You exegeratte how bad Poland is. Sure, poles dont have any big stars but they are well coached, gritty and good organized. The games against France, Kazakstan, Sweden is 50-50
 

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