Post-Game Talk: Point taken

[Mr Positive]

I think he’ll be a clear upgrade on stecher, I hope they keep looking for a solidified top 4 guy though.

As of today I agree. But, by the deadline we shouldnt make that trade if Klingberg is up to it.

I know the org has no appetite for it, but if our defense group is set I'd like to add another goalie. But yes, defense comes first

I don't have much appetite to add forwards. Maybe a right shot 4C with some bite

 

[Soundwave]

Right, so everyone else gets a break and excused for starting the season a month late, but Skinner is the only guy that should have been on point from day 1.

Play in October is indicative of his game, but not the 3 months since. No, the one month is a better sample than the 3. For sure.

You know what if you want to bring in McDavid and others as comparables, then Stu can go win 3 or 4 Vezinas and he can have a break and a benefit of the doubt in October too.

That version of Skinner is basically just what Stu would look like if he was on Calgary or Ottawa or a team like that.

He is very fortunate he plays here.

 

[Kepler 186f]

J. Skinner, Drai, Nurse and Bouchard all had strong games.

 

[Soundwave]

There’s maybe 5-6 goalies in the league who hold the type of consistent play people expect from Skinner. The rest of them struggle with the exact same inconsistencies as Skinner. Look at the game logs for Gibson of Vejmelka, it’s basically a bad start for every 2-3 good starts and there’s even stretches of 2/3 bad starts in a row over a 5-6-7 game stretch. Almost every single goalie is like this. And I know when faced with the reality of other goalies inconsistencies people will look to move the goal post and go to the team argument but look at the anointed one, Mackenzie Blackwood, that many were so upset the Oilers missed out on. He went from a bottom feeder to a contender and he’s in the midst of an inconsistent stretch where he’s been averaging like a .880

Of course if the Oilers did trade for another goalie say a Gibson or Vejmelka and we put him under the microscope of every second in every game as we do with Skinner and they inevitably showed inconsistencies, had bad games and gave up bad goals, the refrain would the shift to “management just didn’t trade for the right goalie”.

We all know Skinner is an average goalie but swapping him out for another average goalie isn’t going to drastically change the teams fortunes. The best option is trading for a proven top flight goalie, and they aren’t always available, or trading for another average goalie to tandem with Skinner and hoping that between the two of them you can get consistent goaltending.

Skinner would get cooked playing in Utah or Anaheim, lol, love that you guys who want to make this point convienantly leave that out.

You think he would be a .902 in Utah or Anaheim? What are you smoking. He would be like .890 in Anaheim and wouldn't even be the back up there, Dostal and Gibson would be ahead of him. In Utah he's maybe the back up but only because Ingram has been injured.

Skinner isn't "average". 27th in save percentage on an actual top team with an actual top defensive system is not average, it's below average.

The .902 that he has here is actually an inflated number (ditto for Pickard). He wouldn't have that number on most other teams.

 

[K1984]

You know what if you want to bring in McDavid and others as comparables, then Stu can go win 3 or 4 Vezinas and he can have a break and a benefit of the doubt in October too.

That version of Skinner is basically just what Stu would look like if he was on Calgary or Ottawa or a team like that.

He is very fortunate he plays here.

You weren't talking about McDavid. You gave the whole group a pass because apparently it's impossible to play defence in October, but Skinner was supposed to be on fire on day 1.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Skinner would get cooked playing in Utah or Anaheim, lol, love that you guys who want to make this point convienantly leave that out.

You think he would be a .902 in Utah or Anaheim? What are you smoking. He would be like .890 in Anaheim and wouldn't even be the back up there, Dostal and Gibson would be ahead of him. In Utah he's maybe the back up but only because Ingram has been injured.

Skinner isn't "average". 27th in save percentage on an actual top team with an actual top defensive system is not average, it's below average.

He might. But that doesn't matter because it's a hypothetical that probably isn't going to happen.

Again, for all you know Gibson completely craters here.

 

[Soundwave]

He might. But that doesn't matter because it's a hypothetical that probably isn't going to happen.

Again, for all you know Gibson completely craters here.

He would crater there. You can go watch the Oilers in October, that's what he would have there all the time, and it would be worse because over time that destroys a goalie's confidence (there's a compounding effect to continually playing behind bad defense), so his numbers would likely get even progressively worse than October Stu.

I honestly don't think he'd be in the league period if he was on a team like Anahiem. He'd wash out of the league entirely.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

As of today I agree. But, by the deadline I'm guessing we shouldn't trade for that.

I know the org has no appetite for it, but if our defense group is set I'd like to add another goalie. But yes, defense comes first

I don't have much appetite to add forwards. Maybe a right shot 4C with some bite

My feelings also.

I think another goalie to upgrade on Pickard since the coach really doesn’t trust him.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He would crater there. You can go watch the Oilers in October, that's what he would have there all the time, and it would be worse because over time that destroys a goalie's confidence (there's a compounding effect to continually playing behind bad defense), so his numbers would likely get even progressively worse than October Stu.

I honestly don't think he'd be in the league period if he was on a team like Anahiem. He'd wash out of the league entirely.

Based on what? Your speculation? I don't know how much I can state this: It doesn't matter how he might play in Anaheim. He's not playing there, he's playing here.

But hey I see Gibson had a sub .900 game against... Wow, the Calgary Flames? Yikes.

 

[LTIR]

As of today I agree. But, by the deadline I'm guessing we shouldn't trade for that.

I know the org has no appetite for it, but if our defense group is set I'd like to add another goalie. But yes, defense comes first

I don't have much appetite to add forwards. Maybe a right shot 4C with some bite

Pageau or Kastelic would fit this need.
Trochek would be ideal add if cap can be worked out.

 

[Soundwave]

Based on what? Your speculation? I don't know how much I can state this: It doesn't matter how he might play in Anaheim. He's not playing there, he's playing here.

But hey I see Gibson had a sub .900 game against... Wow, the Calgary Flames? Yikes.

Someone else brought up Gibson, I merely responded by saying Skinner wouldn't even be the back up in Anaheim and would have far worse numbers in Anaheim. So take .902 and now subtract substantially to it until you get to about .890 and that's what Skinner would be on a team like that.

Calgary isn't that bad of a team this year either.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Skinner would get cooked playing in Utah or Anaheim, lol, love that you guys who want to make this point convienantly leave that out.

You think he would be a .902 in Utah or Anaheim? What are you smoking. He would be like .890 in Anaheim and wouldn't even be the back up there, Dostal and Gibson would be ahead of him. In Utah he's maybe the back up but only because Ingram has been injured.

Skinner isn't "average". 27th in save percentage on an actual top team with an actual top defensive system is not average, it's below average.

The .902 that he has here is actually an inflated number (ditto for Pickard). He wouldn't have that number on most other teams.

I say Skinner would be above .900 in Anaheim.

That statement is just as legitimate as your statement because neither of us actually know. You’re just making shit up to try and spin your opinion as fact.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Someone else brought up Gibson, I merely responded by saying Skinner wouldn't even be the back up in Anaheim and would have far worse numbers in Anaheim.

Calgary isn't that bad of a team this year either.

They're 28th in GF/G. That's bad.

I say Skinner would be above .900 in Anaheim.

That statement is just as legitimate as your statement because neither of us actually know. You’re just making shit up to try and spin your opinion as fact.

Anaheim also gives up a ton of shots. Skinner tends to play better when he sees more rubber.

 

[Soundwave]

I say Skinner would be above .900 in Anaheim.

That statement is just as legitimate as your statement because neither of us actually know. You’re just making shit up to try and spin your opinion as fact.

He's barely .902 here, anyone who thinks he'd be .900+ in Anaheim is smoking crack, lol. Like I'm sorry you can believe that horse shit if you want, but don't try to sell it to me with a straight face because I ain't buying it.

Our defensive system basically gets the same results from Calvin Pickard (.901) and lets be f***ing honest, he's an AHL goaltender.

Both these guys are living a charmed life here behind an elite system that insulates them hard, if they were left to fend on a non-elite team they'd both be in serious, serious trouble.

 

[Soundwave]

They're 28th in GF/G. That's bad.



Anaheim also gives up a ton of shots. Skinner tends to play better when he sees more rubber.

They're in a playoff spot and any team can put 3 (4 with an empty net) on the board in this league on any given night, nothing amazing about that. It ain't 2002 anymore where every other game is a 2-1 final.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

They're in a playoff spot and any team can put 3 (4 with an empty net) on the board in this league on any given night, nothing amazing about that. It ain't 2002 anymore where every other game is a 2-1 final.

So were the Caps last year. The West is utter dogshit.

 

[Missing smitty]

The oilers need another goalie better than Pickard that they trust to run with when skinner is playing bad.

Skinner should be the 1B in a tandem. He's shown he can be a good goaltender, but the org has thrown him to the wolves. He's in over his head for this stage of his career, I think.

The whole team was garbage early in the year. Himself included not excusing him but can you name a player on this roster who was meeting expectations the first 10-15 games? It’s a very short list.

They actually weren't garbage. Their defensive metrics were still very good. They couldn't buy a goal or get a save.

 

[Old Boys Club]

If the Edmonton team I watched ilast night is near the top in the West, nobody there must be playing all that well.

If the oilers played the entire season the way they have played the last 3 games, they’d be among the dregs of the league. Terrible efforts last 3, just showing up enough to scrape by against the lower teams.

This effort against VGK and they would’ve been body bagged.

 

[MessierII]

They actually weren't garbage. Their defensive metrics were still very good. They couldn't buy a goal or get a save.

They had if I’m not mistaken the 4th worst penalty kill ever through 14 games. That was a huge part of our goals against right there and we were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. So yes they were garbage.

 

[LucaBrasil]

Skinner is garbage

Anyone who calls someone trash is exactly that.

 

[Soundwave]

They had if I’m not mistaken the 4th worst penalty kill ever through 14 games. That was a huge part of our goals against right there and we were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. So yes they were garbage.

What's that saying about who is supposed to be your best penalty killer?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

What's that saying about who is supposed to be your best penalty killer?

Well then by that measure Skinner was a beast in the playoffs last year.

 

[MessierII]

What's that saying about who is supposed to be your best penalty killer?

And I don’t disagree again no one’s trying to say he was good all year. It’s just a fact that since the teams poor start he’s been one of the best goalies in the league. Also no one is saying he’s one of the best goalies in the league either. Point is the entire team was completely out of sorts. We couldn’t even score goals.

 

[LTIR]

Skinner should be the 1B in a tandem. He's shown he can be a good goaltender, but the org has thrown him to the wolves. He's in over his head for this stage of his career, I think.


They actually weren't garbage. Their defensive metrics were still very good. They couldn't buy a goal or get a save.

Skinner is getting love from the organization and isn't being thrown to wolves. Pickard can easily start bulk of the games going forward with Skinner getting easier workload but that is not what Skinner wants. He wants his 8M per deal as a true starting goalie.

Skinner outside of the shootout had a very strong game. The hate here on the boards is just too strong to give him the credit

 

[Soundwave]

And I don’t disagree again no one’s trying to say he was good all year. It’s just a fact that since the teams poor start he’s been one of the best goalies in the league. Also no one is saying he’s one of the best goalies in the league either. Point is the entire team was completely out of sorts. We couldn’t even score goals.

He can have his hot stretches and cold stretches here and there we know that. When the team is playing in sync defensively, which usually takes about a month to kick in after a 3+ month layoff, we can make just about any goalie look decent.

Calvin Pickard has about the same numbers as Stu playing behind the same team since he has come here.

It's our systems play that is the star, not a goalie. Our system can insulate any goalie even a literal AHL guy.

If this team ever got a real upgrade, it would be lights out, but the management is one of the dumber management groups in the NHL and that is the real thing probably standing in McDavid's way to a Cup.