Player Discussion: PLD

[nabby12]

People need to relax about these wild Dubois takes that this season is going to define him as a player.

He could have given excuses in his presser today about being injured or how the quarantine and other injuries affected him, but he didn't and instead owned everything.

Dubois is going to work his tail off this offseason and come into next season a better player. Bet on it.

 

[PhilJets]

People need to relax about these wild Dubois takes that this season is going to define him as a player.

He could have given excuses in his presser today about being injured or how the quarantine and other injuries affected him, but he didn't and instead owned everything.

Dubois is going to work his tail off this offseason and come into next season a better player. Bet on it.

While i agree with you.

I would not bet on it.

Bulk of the minutes will be still
Connor Scheifele Wheeler line
Then lowry's line he will split the remaining time, less 6 minutes of 4th line C.

Most of the time Lowry will have more minutes than PLD line.

 

[nabby12]

While i agree with you.

I would not bet on it.

Bulk of the minutes will be still
Connor Scheifele Wheeler line
Then lowry's line he will split the remaining time, less 6 minutes of 4th line C.

Most of the time Lowry will have more minutes than PLD line.

Assuming Maurice isn't fired.

 

[ElLoboBlanco]

I'd like to see the Jets sign PLD to a 5 to 7 year extension this offseason while his value is depressed. First he could probably use the confidence boost from the feeling of being wanted and appreciated. In a flat cap world you need to find value where you can.

I still have little doubt he's a #2C with #1 upside. It's been a brutal year for everyoneand I'm willing to bet on his previous 4-5 years than be hesitant about the last one.

I'd categorize this a medium to low risk and high reward. He's 22 after all.

 

[snowkiddin]

I'd like to see the Jets sign PLD to a 5 to 7 year extension this offseason while his value is depressed. First he could probably use the confidence boost from the feeling of being wanted and appreciated. In a flat cap world you need to find value where you can.

I still have little doubt he's a #2C with #1 upside. It's been a brutal year for everyoneand I'm willing to bet on his previous 4-5 years than be hesitant about the last one.

I'd categorize this a medium to low risk and high reward. He's 22 after all.

I’m sure he won’t want to sign until next summer, though. He’ll probably want to play out his contract year and try to earn more, especially after how awful this year went.

 

[Positive]

He just didn't seem to have any strength on his skates. It reminded me of Scheifs first couple of years where there was just a noticeable amount of falling on contact (Scheifele down!).

 

[Huffer]

I'm not worried about PLD yet. He's still very young and has a good track record in the league already. Something happened that sped is exit from CLB (if someone wants to PM me info on that feel free), and I don't think the quarantine helped him get going with his new team. I don't know what really held him back, whether it was a combo of both physical and emotional issues. But he did struggle with the Jets for most of his 1st season here.

I don't think bring Stastny back to play in the top 6 is the route we want to go both from a cap perspective, or a roster perspective so I think an offseason for PLD to recharge and get his body and mind in a good place will be big for him.

Really hoping he comes in next year and fully runs with the SC spot.

 

[tbcwpg]

I think making his role a more consistent 2C role next season will help. This year he was at C, he was at wing, moved around a lot. Giving him a primary role should hopefully allow him to settle a bit better.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Pierre LeBrun says in his piece here that PLD suffered a concussion at the end of the regular season -- don't recall having heard that before:

LeBrun on Scheifele's comments, Dubois' struggles, Maurice's future in Winnipeg

 

[Hunter368]

Pierre LeBrun says in his piece here that PLD suffered a concussion at the end of the regular season -- don't recall having heard that before:

LeBrun on Scheifele's comments, Dubois' struggles, Maurice's future in Winnipeg

Makes sense if people remember he was hit in the head in front of the net and left the game and never returned.

 

[Crocket]

Ya, he wasn't 100%, that's for sure. I remember his OT winner in his second game of the season, and some other great plays early on, then he kind of spiraled. I think the isolation, injuries and he alluded to not really knowing his role or where he fit in (which I would put on Maurice) being factors.

He should regroup, and I imagine he'll be his normal self, a legit 2c.

 

[DharmaBum]

Pierre LeBrun says in his piece here that PLD suffered a concussion at the end of the regular season -- don't recall having heard that before:

LeBrun on Scheifele's comments, Dubois' struggles, Maurice's future in Winnipeg

Makes sense if people remember he was hit in the head in front of the net and left the game and never returned.

This is from the last game of the regular season vs Toronto at ~6 minutes into the 3rd period. Looks like he took an inadvertent elbow to the head. The shift chart from that game shows that PLD's last shift was around the 46 minute mark, which sync's up to the video showing around 14 minutes left in the game. The video can be slowed down to 1/2 or 1/4 speed with a right click.

 

[JetsFan815]

Yeah but concussions are usually 0 or 100% when it comes to player health after the player recovers. Like if he had any issues related to concussion he literally is not allowed to play according to NHL guidelines- it is not like a groin injury that you are allowed to "power through". So I don't know if I blame the concussion for his play... the Jets would not have allowed him to play had he not passed the protocol (and would have been quick to take him out if there were any symptoms following that)

 

[Whileee]

Yeah but concussions are usually 0 or 100% when it comes to player health after the player recovers. Like if he had any issues related to concussion he literally is not allowed to play according to NHL guidelines- it is not like a groin injury that you are allowed to "power through". So I don't know if I blame the concussion for his play... the Jets would not have allowed him to play had he not passed the protocol (and would have been quick to take him out if there were any symptoms following that)

It might not have been the concussion per se, but it further interrupted a season in which he never really seemed to get settled into the Jets system. He mentioned in his post-season interview that throughout the season he had very few practices with the Jets. I think that in addition to having a hard time finding his own playing rhythm, he never seemed to find a level of comfort with the Jets' system. I expect that a good off-season to work on his physical conditioning and skills, and a full training camp, could really put him in a better position to perform closer to how many of us expected.

I do think the Jets need to find good wingers to match his play. I think Perfetti might actually be good because they both focus more on puck movement and exploiting space, rather than carrying the puck and probing for an edge by beating opponents one-on-one, the way some of the Jets' top forwards do.

 

[JetsFan815]

I do think the Jets need to find good wingers to match his play. I think Perfetti might actually be good because they both focus more on puck movement and exploiting space, rather than carrying the puck and probing for an edge by beating opponents one-on-one, the way some of the Jets' top forwards do.

Jets have plenty good wingers... they may not be the best wingers in the world but they are decent enough to work well enough with a decent C. It is on PLD to play well with the wingers that are available to him. This "Jets need to find good wingers to play with PLD" talk is getting scarily close to "Jets need to find Laine a C to play with" that we heard for so many years.

 

[GNP]

Yeah but concussions are usually 0 or 100% when it comes to player health after the player recovers. Like if he had any issues related to concussion he literally is not allowed to play according to NHL guidelines- it is not like a groin injury that you are allowed to "power through.". So I don't know if I blame the concussion for his play... the Jets would not have allowed him to play had he not passed the protocol (and would have been quick to take him out if there were any symptoms following that)

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You cannot just power through a groin injury, even it's not severe. The muscles in the groin will allow you no push off power in your legs. It's like someone with a rotator cuff injury in their shoulder, as they cannot lift their arm above their shoulder -- just no power. If you do have a moderate groin injury, your scared to push it, because it could get a lot worse.

Whether or not PLD had a groin injury, I don't know, but from what I saw he showed only small bursts of speed when he got here, and also very easy to knock off the puck, and a man of his size should have the strength to not allow this to happen to himself ?? Was he like this in Columbus ??

I didn't get to see him play in Columbus, but from all reports, he was good and could take over a game -- there's something amiss here ??

 

[ps241]

Jets have plenty good wingers... they may not be the best wingers in the world but they are decent enough to work well enough with a decent C. It is on PLD to play well with the wingers that are available to him. This "Jets need to find good wingers to play with PLD" talk is getting scarily close to "Jets need to find Laine a C to play with" that we heard for so many years.

In fairness pretty much everyone on this board speculates on line juggling to optimize assets because that’s what fans do.

While I agree it’s getting a bit like the Laine talk the main difference is in one case it’s the fans chatting but PLD owning his problems. With Laine it was the fans chatting too but Patrik was never shy about saying he needed to play with the best line mates. I struggled with that.

 

[jetsv2]

Yeah but concussions are usually 0 or 100% when it comes to player health after the player recovers. Like if he had any issues related to concussion he literally is not allowed to play according to NHL guidelines- it is not like a groin injury that you are allowed to "power through". So I don't know if I blame the concussion for his play... the Jets would not have allowed him to play had he not passed the protocol (and would have been quick to take him out if there were any symptoms following that)

Health wise it may be 0-100% but many times players have come back from concussions and looked bad for a while after. Some guys have even looked off their game for the rest of a season.

 

[PhilJets]

In fairness pretty much everyone on this board speculates on line juggling to optimize assets because that’s what fans do.

While I agree it’s getting a bit like the Laine talk the main difference is in one case it’s the fans chatting but PLD owning his problems. With Laine it was the fans chatting too but Patrik was never shy about saying he needed to play with the best line mates. I struggled with that.

Nothing wrong with that he wanted to assert himself, that is him.
You do that if you think you deserve something.
Maybe its good maybe its bad. But to get somewhere you need to assert yourself.
Unfortunately, it didnt work out here.

Now back to PLD, just like Laine they both own up to their struggles. Difference is Laine just makes it a funny one liner for people to feast on.

Now the similarity, when they both struggle it takes both of them time to regroup mentally. The difference in their way, you see it on Laine (which might rub off the wrong way for some). PLD looks like he carries it inside him, until it explode.

Just the same both of them needs a good mentor, shoulder to take them through the rough road of nhl.

Lets just move forward and hope PLD gets to train better both physically and mentally for next year. To see better PLD next year.

 

[Ippenator]

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You cannot just power through a groin injury, even it's not severe. The muscles in the groin will allow you no push off power in your legs. It's like someone with a rotator cuff injury in their shoulder, as they cannot lift their arm above their shoulder -- just no power. If you do have a moderate groin injury, your scared to push it, because it could get a lot worse.

Whether or not PLD had a groin injury, I don't know, but from what I saw he showed only small bursts of speed when he got here, and also very easy to knock off the puck, and a man of his size should have the strength to not allow this to happen to himself ?? Was he like this in Columbus ??

I didn't get to see him play in Columbus, but from all reports, he was good and could take over a game -- there's something amiss here ??

In fact it seems to be possible, as Roope Hintz did it for most of the season. I don’t really understand how he was able to play with that kind of an injury - let alone play even a magnificent season with about a point per game production in the games that he was able to play. And he managed to play most of the season as Dallas’ number one center.

The Stars released Roope Hintz's injury details and we have no idea how he played out the season - Article - BARDOWN

I think it might he better if PLD’s problem is after all psychological rather than an injury. For a young kid it is still better to recover from a psychological issue with some maturing and councelling. I would be much more worried if he would have some kind of a long term nagging injury already that young.

Hopefully he and Laine will both recover from their mental issues. I wouldn’t have ever believed that they could both have such horrible seasons after that trade. Very disappointing, as I like both players very much. Hopefully they will bounce back already next season!

 

[Jet]

I'm really excited to see Dubois from the start of a full season, with tc and fans.

I have a lot of hope.

 

[Mud Turtle]

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You cannot just power through a groin injury, even it's not severe. The muscles in the groin will allow you no push off power in your legs. It's like someone with a rotator cuff injury in their shoulder, as they cannot lift their arm above their shoulder -- just no power. If you do have a moderate groin injury, your scared to push it, because it could get a lot worse.

Whether or not PLD had a groin injury, I don't know, but from what I saw he showed only small bursts of speed when he got here, and also very easy to knock off the puck, and a man of his size should have the strength to not allow this to happen to himself ?? Was he like this in Columbus ??

I didn't get to see him play in Columbus, but from all reports, he was good and could take over a game -- there's something amiss here ??

 

[schmockeyknife]

I think making his role a more consistent 2C role next season will help. This year he was at C, he was at wing, moved around a lot. Giving him a primary role should hopefully allow him to settle a bit better.

who's to say maurice is giving him a primary role?

 

[tbcwpg]

who's to say maurice is giving him a primary role?

Without Stastny you really only have 2 top 6 type of centres available in Scheifele and Dubois, so I'd think he gets a more consistent 2nd line role by default.

 

[TS Quint]

I'm very disappointed with Dubois this year. But I don't see it as something he can't come back from. I'm with the group that thinks an offseason and full training camp is going to make a big difference.

I see all the physical tools are there but he just seemed to be a step or two behind where he should be on the ice. I think that step or two is lost by thinking about where he needs to be rather than just knowing.

Here's hoping anyway!