Player Discussion: PLD

[AstrophysicalJet]

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I don't think we'll be given an "exact date" but it will be approximately 2 weeks after he arrived in Winnipeg, to meet the Covid rules. Probably in another 7 days or so, I expect we'll see him in the lineup. Likley around Feb 7 / 2021 or in around that time, I would think. Be patient.

I'm looking forward to what kind of talent he'll bring to the Jets.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I've heard Feb 9 for PLD

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

I've heard Feb 9 for PLD

Dubois can begin practicing with the team one week from today and then play February 9th against Calgary.

Exactly the same info has been available since the day after the trade occurred once Dubois landed in Winnipeg late Saturday night.

The only thing that could possibility change is if the federal government changes their 14 day quarantine rule. It's my understanding the provincial government has already stated they are willing to apply the training camp guidelines.

I'm sure however that the feds have bigger concerns before parliament than this and don't see an answer from them coming prior to Dubois already on the ice practicing next Sunday.

 

[Daximus]

Dubois can begin practicing with the team one week from today and then play February 9th against Calgary.

Exactly the same info has been available since the day after the trade occurred once Dubois landed in Winnipeg late Saturday night.

The only thing that could possibility change is if the federal government changes their 14 day quarantine rule. It's my understanding the provincial government has already stated they are willing to apply the training camp guidelines.

I'm sure however that the feds have bigger concerns before parliament than this and don't see an answer from them coming prior to Dubois already on the ice practicing next Sunday.

There's the optics of it as well that I think they will avoid. 14 days for normal people, 7 days for rich athletes kind of thing. Whether they agree with it or not you'll have people complain.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Been rewatching the Columbus / Toronto series to help familiarize myself with Dubois' game.

Here's the condensed version of game 3

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Game 4:

 

[IPS]

I'm very interested to see Dubois' potential chemistry with Ehlers. If Ehlers does his thing with his great zone entries and Dubois does the heavy work down low like he's good at Jets could have a scary 2nd line. Not looking forward to the Leafs facing it.

 

[Finnflash]

I know I would complain if it was less than 14 days when my business has to abide by that.

 

[JetsFan815]

I'd love to read one compelling argument for running anything other than running your four best centres as centres. The Jets have the wing talent to support it.

This team dominated the opposition in 2017-18 with Lowry at 4C. They have a chance to do it again.

1) Scheifele
2) Dubois
3) Stastny
4) Lowry

The steelmanned version of the argument for playing Stastny on the wing would be to load up 3 lines and allocate the maximum amount of icetime for your best players and giving the 4th line 6-7 mins a night like Maurice has done in the past.

I looked at EvolvingWild's GARs for Jets forwards and did a calculation of how many GARs the team would produce under

Scenario a) Put 4 Cs on 4 lines with normal'ish icetime

Scenario b) Stastny on the wing with 3 loaded up lines and minimal icetime for the 4th line

This is a bit simplistic as it doesn't take into account player chemistry etc but gives an idea. Lines were taken from practice today and slightly modified for each scenario to make it work

Under this the "loaded up" scenario b) results in the Jets getting about 3.37 more GARs over 48 games.

And this is using EvolvingWild's metric of player value. Maurice most likely believes that the difference in value on ice of Scheifele over Perreault is more than the 0.122 GAR/60 than what EvolvingWild's model says. So in the eyes of the coaching staff the difference is even more magnified.

Even if we put Harkins on the 4th line instead of Thompson, the loaded up lines with Stastny on the wing comes out ahead by 1.22 goals. And EvolvingWild's model thinks Harkins is .339 GAR/60 player and is possibly overestimating him due to small sample size and sheltered deployment:

Given the horses we have I don't mind rolling 3 lines and shoving the 4th line under 8 mins a night.

 

[Jetabre]

Been rewatching the Columbus / Toronto series to help familiarize myself with Dubois' game.

Here's the condensed version of game 3

Damn, I wish we had Seth Jones too.

 

[PhilJets]

This might be behind the Jets

bench when they visit the Jets in the distance future

 

[jetsv2]

I've heard Feb 9 for PLD

That is the earliest possible game, but Maurice briefly mentioned seeing how he looked once they get him back on the ice. Maurice might want him to get a couple of skates in before playing him after having him off the ice for over 2 weeks.

 

[10Ducky10]

This might be behind the JetsView attachment 391084 bench when they visit the Jets in the distance future

never

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

That is the earliest possible game, but Maurice briefly mentioned seeing how he looked once they get him back on the ice. Maurice might want him to get a couple of skates in before playing him after having him off the ice for over 2 weeks.

Roslovic played the first game he was eligible after not playing a game in half a year.

Laine is going the first game he's eligible this Tuesday.

Maurice isn't healthy scratching Dubois and playing Gus and Lewis.

EDIT: Appears Jack didn't have to quarantine at all and was practicing with the team Monday morning 48 hours from the trade announcement, so was indeed a healthy scratch in Tuesdays game.

 

[Atoyot]

Roslovic played the first game he was eligible after not playing a game in half a year.

Laine is going the first game he's eligible this Tuesday.

Maurice isn't healthy scratching Dubois and playing Gus and Lewis.

Roslovic sat the first game he was eligible.

 

[JetsFan815]

I believe Laine was technically eligible to play tonight as well but was not in the lineup.

 

[Heldig]

Never used to hate Kekalainen either, but the way he acted all smug in the post-trade interview and tried to imply he ripped us off and won the deal by a landslide rather than admitting the reality of the situation doesn't sit well with me either.

Kekalainen is kind of right. His back was to the wall, his coach is publicly berating and humiliating a player that has openly asked for a trade, it is known Kekalainen wanted Laine and yet the Jets retain salary AND give away a young, top 9 forward.

 

[jokesondee]

Kekalainen is kind of right. His back was to the wall, his coach is publicly berating and humiliating a player that has openly asked for a trade, it is known Kekalainen wanted Laine and yet the Jets retain salary AND give away a young, top 9 forward.

20 other teams wanted PLD. If Chevy plays hard ball Kekalainen likely works out a different trade. Then Chevy is left dealing Laine for some prospects and picks. PLD fell in his lap, no other team was offering anyone remotely as good for Laine.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Roslovic sat the first game he was eligible.

Yeah I just looked that up and he was practicing with the team on Monday prior to the game he sat Tuesday.

It appears e was already on the ice with the team within 48 hours of the trade announcement.

Was there no quarantine for him at all?

 

[truck]

The steelmanned version of the argument for playing Stastny on the wing would be to load up 3 lines and allocate the maximum amount of icetime for your best players and giving the 4th line 6-7 mins a night like Maurice has done in the past.

I looked at EvolvingWild's GARs for Jets forwards and did a calculation of how many GARs the team would produce under

Scenario a) Put 4 Cs on 4 lines with normal'ish icetime

Scenario b) Stastny on the wing with 3 loaded up lines and minimal icetime for the 4th line

This is a bit simplistic as it doesn't take into account player chemistry etc but gives an idea. Lines were taken from practice today and slightly modified for each scenario to make it work

Under this the "loaded up" scenario b) results in the Jets getting about 3.37 more GARs over 48 games.

And this is using EvolvingWild's metric of player value. Maurice most likely believes that the difference in value on ice of Scheifele over Perreault is more than the 0.122 GAR/60 than what EvolvingWild's model says. So in the eyes of the coaching staff the difference is even more magnified.

Even if we put Harkins on the 4th line instead of Thompson, the loaded up lines with Stastny on the wing comes out ahead by 1.22 goals. And EvolvingWild's model thinks Harkins is .339 GAR/60 player and is possibly overestimating him due to small sample size and sheltered deployment:

Given the horses we have I don't mind rolling 3 lines and shoving the 4th line under 8 mins a night.

Interesting and I get it, but I'd much rather see Harkins and another youngster like Appleton get some ice time with a scoring center. Their development is also important - this year and into the future.

 

[LowLefty]

The steelmanned version of the argument for playing Stastny on the wing would be to load up 3 lines and allocate the maximum amount of icetime for your best players and giving the 4th line 6-7 mins a night like Maurice has done in the past.

I looked at EvolvingWild's GARs for Jets forwards and did a calculation of how many GARs the team would produce under

Scenario a) Put 4 Cs on 4 lines with normal'ish icetime

Scenario b) Stastny on the wing with 3 loaded up lines and minimal icetime for the 4th line

This is a bit simplistic as it doesn't take into account player chemistry etc but gives an idea. Lines were taken from practice today and slightly modified for each scenario to make it work

Under this the "loaded up" scenario b) results in the Jets getting about 3.37 more GARs over 48 games.

And this is using EvolvingWild's metric of player value. Maurice most likely believes that the difference in value on ice of Scheifele over Perreault is more than the 0.122 GAR/60 than what EvolvingWild's model says. So in the eyes of the coaching staff the difference is even more magnified.

Even if we put Harkins on the 4th line instead of Thompson, the loaded up lines with Stastny on the wing comes out ahead by 1.22 goals. And EvolvingWild's model thinks Harkins is .339 GAR/60 player and is possibly overestimating him due to small sample size and sheltered deployment:

Given the horses we have I don't mind rolling 3 lines and shoving the 4th line under 8 mins a night.

Option 2 is more than likely and worth a look

I can see the blender being out for a few weeks as they work out the best combo's within the top 6 - there are a number of options that will likely be tested. The fact that Mo was running new combinations in the practice line up supports that - at least I hope it does.

Lowry will center the third and Copp will be on his wing - although I'd rather see Wheeler and Copp flipping (but I'll win the lottery before that happens)
The 4th will see limited minutes.

 

[10Ducky10]

Yeah I just looked that up and he was practicing with the team on Monday prior to the game he sat Tuesday.

It appears e was already on the ice with the team within 48 hours of the trade announcement.

Chevy saw the opportunity and jumped on it. Good on him. He made the team stronger.

Was there no quarantine for him at all?

Two negative tests in 48 hours in OH and you're good to go...also, he was living there already.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Yeah I just looked that up and he was practicing with the team on Monday prior to the game he sat Tuesday.

It appears e was already on the ice with the team within 48 hours of the trade announcement.

Was there no quarantine for him at all?

I think Jack had been in Columbus for months already. No need for quarantine.

 

[jetsv2]

Yeah I just looked that up and he was practicing with the team on Monday prior to the game he sat Tuesday.

It appears e was already on the ice with the team within 48 hours of the trade announcement.

Was there no quarantine for him at all?

He only had to pass the very basic NHL quarantine of 48 hours and 2 negative tests. The more restrictive quarantine requirements that teams face come from local or federal governments like the 14 day one in Canada.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

I think Jack had been in Columbus for months already. No need for quarantine.

He was defiantly in Columbus. He works out in a modified barn on some farmers plot of land cross fit style.

I've seen some videos of his off season workout schedule. He's like Stallone in the first Rocky movie preparing for Apollo Creed.

But regardless of him already being in Ohio, you'd assume some sort of quarantine would be in place before he enters whatever passes for a bubble in Columbus. Even if it was 48 hour quarantine, he'd have had to have beelined it to the Blue Jackets medical facility upon the formal trade announcement in order to have been on the ice practicing Monday morning.