GDT: PLAYOFFS: The Canes are Able

[htdoc]

Little side story from the game. My son and his friend ended up watching part of the game from the top of the lower level concourse, and they met Noesen's Mom who was in the handicap area in front of them with her Dad. They talked for a bit - won't get into all the details, but one thing she said was Noesen was "distraught" over leaving the Canes and loved it here, and let's just say she is not a big fan of Dundon and his involvement in the negotiations.

I’m as sentimental as the next person in wanting to keep our guys….

But we replaced Noesen essentially for 1/3 the price by signing Robinson at $900k…. Robinson played up for stretches on the second line but is mostly a 4th liner for us, same as Noesen was. Noesen had a niche with us as being the only guy who would play net front on the power play…. And even with all that power play time with us, he still had 14-23-37 for the year. Robinson got no PP time by comparison, is similarly physical and a much faster skater (so drives play in an entirely different way and can break more than Noesen could) and he had 14-18-32 for us…

I would have loved to keep Noesen. I would have loved to keep most every one of our guys from last season. But we couldn’t afford to keep everyone and pay for the big raises for Jarvis long term extension, Necas extension and Aho’s new deal as well.

Carrier is a different animal all together than Noesen. Carrier seemed destined from the moment he signed to play on Staals line. We have put a high end player there with Jarvis and Svech (and now Stankoven)…. But when he was there for most of the early games this season, Carrier brings a whole different element to that line…. Very defensively responsible but also wow can Carrier forecheck and flat out overpower opponents in the offensive zone. The only drawback is that Martinook and Staal couldn’t seem to finish all the centering passes handed to them after Carrier stripped the puck behind the net and zipped it to them n the slot…

I’m biased on Carrier. I’m a big fan of how he plays so hard and physical. He is the first personalized jersey I’ve bought since 2001… I’ve always just bought blank jerseys to not jinx the player from staying with us ….. although I’m now also getting Nikishin…. I’m hoping he is a safe jersey to have for at least the next decade or more

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

ACCEPTABLE.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

That's why I wanted Robinson to be the scratch on the 4th line. Roslovic-Jankowski-Carrier is the 4th line that makes the most sense at this point.

I’d scratch Carrier of that bunch. He has been mostly invisible to me all year. Robinson is faster and big and is more visible to me during the games.

I’ll just round out the group and say that, IMO, Roslovic is the obvious oddman out of those 4. Both Robinson and Carrier are the kind of physical players that we need in the playoffs (I believe Robinson had 8 hits today), and Jankowski is a more rounded center than Roslovic. Especially in away games, where we don’t control the matchups, Jankowski is going to have a decided edge over Roslovic in those games.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I thought canes and neutral fans were underestimating the Devils/overestimating the Canes, but geez, the Devils just looked utterly outclassed

 

[Borsig]

Joke's on you, I don't even work here.

Yo. You know whats funny? You throw a lot of shade at the canes, yet every time you've faced us since 01, we've eliminted you.

Also tell your fellow Jersey masses to stop moving here. We're full and we don't like you, or want you around. Stay up there and wallow in your own filth.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I’ll just round out the group and say that, IMO, Roslovic is the obvious oddman out of those 4. Both Robinson and Carrier are the kind of physical players that we need in the playoffs (I believe Robinson had 8 hits today), and Jankowski is a more rounded center than Roslovic. Especially in away games, where we don’t control the matchups, Jankowski is going to have a decided edge over Roslovic in those games.

I noticed we seemed a lot more physically engaged yesterday. I just looked it up, and while we were out-hit (which makes sense bc I noticed a LOT in the first period NJD players not caring about the puck and just trying to Wilson guys), we had 41 hits...I can't remember the last time we even broke 20 in a game?

 

[Borsig]

I noticed we seemed a lot more physically engaged yesterday. I just looked it up, and while we were out-hit (which makes sense bc I noticed a LOT in the first period NJD players not caring about the puck and just trying to Wilson guys), we had 41 hits...I can't remember the last time we even broke 20 in a game?

I think Jarvis had about 15 of them lol. Just don't get hurt dude. I almost feel like him hitting is why he didn't score yesterday, too focused on crushing dudes.

 

[Borsig]

Also, KK was 20% in the dot yesterday. OOF. That will hurt us. Stank has a better FO history than that (so deos KK) what was up there?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Also, KK was 20% in the dot yesterday. OOF. That will hurt us. Stank has a better FO history than that (so deos KK) what was up there?

The entire Canes team was struggling in the dot. Could be nerves. Could be Jersey watching the tape. We'll see if it's a pattern.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I noticed we seemed a lot more physically engaged yesterday. I just looked it up, and while we were out-hit (which makes sense bc I noticed a LOT in the first period NJD players not caring about the puck and just trying to Wilson guys), we had 41 hits...I can't remember the last time we even broke 20 in a game?

Because playoff hockey is different.

Fans talk about team toughness all the time, but that's usually code for "our team is losing and I'm mad so I want them to hit somebody to make me feel better." This team has real toughness, up and down the lineup, mental and physical. And now we're going to see why that's important.

Everything has its purpose. In a playoff series, hitting has an important purpose that is not nearly so important in the regular season: imposing your will on opposing players and wearing them out.

Hitting aggressively carries risk, especially if you do it badly. You can injure yourself. You can take yourself out of the play. You can take dumb penalties that give your opponents power play opportunities (see Ottawa against Toronto last night for a perfect example).

In the regular season, the risks tend to outweigh the rewards. In the playoffs, because the refs tend to put the whistles away, the rewards outweigh the risks.

This is a disciplined team, and if all other factors are equal, it is the disciplined teams that have the best chances to win.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not to put too much stock in these cards, but:



Tells the story. Jersey’s top forwards earned their paycheck. The D and depth forwards got mutilated. The only guys mobile enough to thrive against the Carolina system are at the top of the lineup. Contain them, and the rest struggle to stay even.

It might not be exciting, but this is a series we can win in a boring, patient, grind-them-down manner. The road games should be really interesting as Keefe has a better chance to get 2-3 goals from the top line and then look for Markstrom to win it for him.

 

[MinJaBen]

Not to put too much stock in these cards, but:



Tells the story. Jersey’s top forwards earned their paycheck. The D and depth forwards got mutilated. The only guys mobile enough to thrive against the Carolina system are at the top of the lineup. Contain them, and the rest struggle to stay even.

It might not be exciting, but this is a series we can win in a boring, patient, grind-them-down manner. The road games should be really interesting as Keefe has a better chance to get 2-3 goals from the top line and then look for Markstrom to win it for him.

I don't know if I buy that the majority of Pesce's value there comes from "individual offense".

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Not to put too much stock in these cards, but:



Tells the story. Jersey’s top forwards earned their paycheck. The D and depth forwards got mutilated. The only guys mobile enough to thrive against the Carolina system are at the top of the lineup. Contain them, and the rest struggle to stay even.

It might not be exciting, but this is a series we can win in a boring, patient, grind-them-down manner. The road games should be really interesting as Keefe has a better chance to get 2-3 goals from the top line and then look for Markstrom to win it for him.

All we need to do is steal one on the road and this series is over in 5. When we can dictate matchups, NJ is completely overmatched. They really don't have any answer for what we are trying to do without fundamentally changing who they are, and that's just not possible. When they can dictate matchups, we have a couple glaring holes that can be exposed, as we saw yesterday when they hemmed us in a few times right after an icing.

The 3rd period yesterday seemed like we just backed off a little bit to focus on keeping them contained and ensure we don't do anything stupid to get ourselves hurt, knowing we had the game well in hand.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Not to put too much stock in these cards, but:



Tells the story. Jersey’s top forwards earned their paycheck. The D and depth forwards got mutilated. The only guys mobile enough to thrive against the Carolina system are at the top of the lineup. Contain them, and the rest struggle to stay even.

It might not be exciting, but this is a series we can win in a boring, patient, grind-them-down manner. The road games should be really interesting as Keefe has a better chance to get 2-3 goals from the top line and then look for Markstrom to win it for him.

I was reading something recently about our roster build that's very interesting. This year, all but one of our top-12 forwards (Carrier, who was hurt in the 2nd half) scored 30+ points in the regular season. The Canes lead the league in 30+ point scorers with 12 (Aho, Jarvis, Svechnikov, Hall, Gostisbehere, Stankoven, Blake, Roslovic, Martinook, Staal, Kotkaniemi, Robinson). Slavin had 27, Orlov had 28, and Burns had 29. We theoretically could've had 15 30+ scorers if we didn't rest our veterans to end the season. The only group in the league that has scoring nearly as evenly-distributed is, interestingly, Los Angeles, another team with huge dark-horse potential.

 

[Borsig]

Not to put too much stock in these cards, but:



Tells the story. Jersey’s top forwards earned their paycheck. The D and depth forwards got mutilated. The only guys mobile enough to thrive against the Carolina system are at the top of the lineup. Contain them, and the rest struggle to stay even.

It might not be exciting, but this is a series we can win in a boring, patient, grind-them-down manner. The road games should be really interesting as Keefe has a better chance to get 2-3 goals from the top line and then look for Markstrom to win it for him.

So basically Jersey's game of the 90s without the reliance on goaltending.

Andersen wasn't bad without that softie, but we held them to like 10 shots through 2 periods. That wont happen to better teams, and it might not happen again in this series.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I know Freddie did well in that game for the most part, and "if it ain't broke don't fix it", and we know Rod's tendency to stick with the vets/"his guys"...but I do think PK would do well to get to play in front of a home crowd in the playoffs. I feel like the energy in that building would pump him up and give him a confidence boost.

 

[Borsig]

I know Freddie did well in that game for the most part, and "if it ain't broke don't fix it", and we know Rod's tendency to stick with the vets/"his guys"...but I do think PK would do well to get to play in front of a home crowd in the playoffs. I feel like the energy in that building would pump him up and give him a confidence boost.

No. I love the guy but I don't trust him to not f*** this up. If we get up 3-1 or 3-0 then play him. If they steal one here it's quite possible we come out of NJ losing 1-3. Hell No.


Remember kids, we have the "worst road team in the league" Albatross to deal with. Game 2 tomorrow is extremely important. We can't afford to lose any home games. Its a quick turn from "dominated Jersey in all aspects" to "NJ stole one on the road" to Carolina is down 1-3 in the series because they can't win a road game.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't know if I buy that the majority of Pesce's value there comes from "individual offense".

I noticed they had him running the PP at one point with predictable results. Not sure if that could be the reason as analytics generally focus on 5v5, but if this includes PP then that’s probably the answer.

Again I don’t put a ton of stock in these cards precisely because of things like that. They featured Pesce on offense and he wasn’t good at all. He shouldn’t get rewarded for that, but the analytics don’t have that qualitative measure.

So basically Jersey's game of the 90s without the reliance on goaltending.

Sort of a 2025 version of that style. So much has changed about the rules and the way they’re enforced. 90s Jersey took advantage of structural designs within the game, so the NHL changed that structure (e.g. getting rid of two-line passes and adding the trapezoid). For us it’s more about moneyballing the shooting percentages and wearing teams out with speed. But the underlying principle is the same — get a lead, take away their oxygen, expand the lead when they make mistakes, then shut it down.

If we had anything close to a Brodeur level goalie, this would be a dynasty team.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Hoping its just precautionary, but there's a chance this late, unnecessary cross check from Sprong might have knocked Hall out for a game or 2

 

[tarheelhockey]

Hoping its just precautionary, but there's a chance this late, unnecessary cross check from Sprong might have knocked Hall out for a game or 2

Bitch move, but there’s no real injury potential there. If that was somehow the point where he got hurt, then he was already dealing with something which might have kept him out anyway.

 

[Borsig]

I noticed they had him running the PP at one point with predictable results. Not sure if that could be the reason as analytics generally focus on 5v5, but if this includes PP then that’s probably the answer.

Again I don’t put a ton of stock in these cards precisely because of things like that. They featured Pesce on offense and he wasn’t good at all. He shouldn’t get rewarded for that, but the analytics don’t have that qualitative measure.



Sort of a 2025 version of that style. So much has changed about the rules and the way they’re enforced. 90s Jersey took advantage of structural designs within the game, so the NHL changed that structure (e.g. getting rid of two-line passes and adding the trapezoid). For us it’s more about moneyballing the shooting percentages and wearing teams out with speed. But the underlying principle is the same — get a lead, take away their oxygen, expand the lead when they make mistakes, then shut it down.

If we had anything close to a Brodeur level goalie, this would be a dynasty team.

Everyone's favorite two line pass.

The single best rule elimination in modern hockey history. Unless you count touchless icing. Oh wait, we's a stoopid. Icing is what goes onna biskit.

 

[Borsig]

Bitch move, but there’s no real injury potential there. If that was somehow the point where he got hurt, then he was already dealing with something which might have kept him out anyway.

Please not f***ing Jost. Why would we ever play Jost over Jankowski.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Everyone's favorite two line pass.

The single best rule elimination in modern hockey history. Unless you count touchless icing. Oh wait, we's a stoopid. Icing is what goes onna biskit.

I can see the argument for keeping the rule. But the argument rests heavily on adding 10 pounds of equipment and skating on 1985 Tacks. If everyone’s moving a little slower, the east-west game becomes a lot prettier to watch.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Bitch move, but there’s no real injury potential there. If that was somehow the point where he got hurt, then he was already dealing with something which might have kept him out anyway.

Not necessarily, we've seen countless times how a seemingly minor move/hit can sometimes cause an injury, it's not the severity always as much as the how. In the dying seconds of a blowout you're not expecting a chicken-shit blindside hit, so you're not really braced or prepped for it. Bullshit like that should have a carryover penalty...otherwise there's nothing to discourage that kind of bitch move at the end of a game because even if he gets a penalty it never gets served, just counted as a stat. Honestly I think the more-likely cause of the injury is when he got tripped (uncalled of course) heading to the net and his leg hit the post pretty hard, probably hurt but not enough to sit out the rest of the game.

Also, Janky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jost

 

[hangman005]

Since like January, for sure.

I mean January is the start of the year