Players Who Are Less Than Their Resumes?

[Albatros]

I will go with Mike Gartner great numbers for career . But all those goals feel like archeological relics, buried beneath layers of earth that nobody wants to bother to explore.

Gartner was as reliable as they come, definitely earned his numbers. 32 goals even at 37 playing for the Coyotes when the DPE was slowly ascending.

 

[Michael Farkas]

John Tavares

Very opposite of the premise of this thread. The absolute garbage pail kids that he was saddled with on the Island...he was or should have been in the Hart race a couple years playing with a Quad-A player and unsigned 9th round net-front hydrant Matt Moulson...

 

[TheBig08]

Very opposite of the premise of this thread. The absolute garbage pail kids that he was saddled with on the Island...he was or should have been in the Hart race a couple years playing with a Quad-A player and unsigned 9th round net-front hydrant Matt Moulson...

Fair the islanders were trash but what about once he got to Toronto. He was also suppose to be a generational talent which he was no where close to unless im wrong and he wasnt but the point was he didnt not live up to the hype. Also does he suck at skating? everybody says he does.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

He has the benefit of playing with the #1C.

Instead of keeping him, they traded him and put Alfie with Spezza. He was deemed expendable at the time.

Alfredsson always made the players on his line better so he was moved around and played with guys like Todd White and Bryan Smolinski.



He’s in the HHoF because he was the third wheel in some Cup wins.

That’s the part of the resume that mattered in the end.

Sure, but he was still the guy for those Ottawa teams when Alfie showed he couldn't be at that time

 

[NyQuil]

Sure, but he was still the guy for those Ottawa teams when Alfie showed he couldn't be at that time

As I said, Hossa needed a #1C to be successful while Alfie didn’t.

He wasn’t the same kind of offensive catalyst.

 

[MadLuke]

Fair the islanders were trash but what about once he got to Toronto. He was also suppose to be a generational talent which he was no where close to unless im wrong and he wasnt but the point was he didnt not live up to the hype. Also does he suck at skating? everybody says he does.

That more being so mature at 16 and overhyped argument than its resume with the Leaf being more than what Tavares was as a player.

Tavares as a Leaf:
Won nothing
No all star team,
no top ten anything in vote
1 top 3 in goals, no top 10 in points.
Only vote he got since 2019 is for the byng.

Is Leafs resume is quite empty after his first season with them.

Is big career bright points right now that the 2 Top 3 hart season and good olympics, team Canada in general I think ? WIth the strong junior numbers and draft position.

I feel like he was easily that resume as a player, those were legit hart finalist type of season.

 

[NyQuil]

It’s hard to accumulate a resume as a #2C.

It seems like Malkin’s biggest achievements were when Crosby was injured.

Messier established his resume when Gretzky left and he went on to lead his own teams.

 

[TheBig08]

That more being so mature at 16 and overhyped argument than its resume with the Leaf being more than what Tavares was as a player.

Tavares as a Leaf:
Won nothing
No all star team,
no top ten anything in vote
1 top 3 in goals, no top 10 in points.
Only vote he got since 2019 is for the byng.

Is Leafs resume is quite empty after his first season with them.

Is big career bright points right now that the 2 Top 3 hart season and good olympics, team Canada in general I think ? WIth the strong junior numbers and draft position.

I feel like he was easily that resume as a player, those were legit hart finalist type of season.

Was he over hyped?

 

[Michael Farkas]

Fair the islanders were trash but what about once he got to Toronto. He was also suppose to be a generational talent which he was no where close to unless im wrong and he wasnt but the point was he didnt not live up to the hype. Also does he suck at skating? everybody says he does.

He put together a few point per game seasons as the non-focal point of the offense. Those things aren't really on a resume...he just went along doing his thing.

And no, people use the word "generational" like it means something that it isn't. Tavares was generational, and a fair chunk of scouts had Hedman 1st overall...not everyone is generational, despite media hype and hype from fans that don't watch these players. Excellent prospect. A 1st overall type prospect. And yeah, like you said, skating concerns. Just how great of a playmaker was he really? Blah blah blah.

He had a really nice career for any player, any 1st overall player even...but I'd really like to petition the board czar here that every time the word "generational" gets submitted in a post, your device sprays you in the face with piping hot gravy haha

Sure...some players are generational. Very, very, very few of them...by definition. Christ, over on the prospects board, I'm being gaslighted into a goal-scoring winger having "generational hockey sense" - whatever that means...

Tavares was an excellent prospect, but Christ on a cracker, guys, give yourself some place to go when something amazing actually happens haha

 

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[TheBig08]

He put together a few point per game seasons as the non-focal point of the offense. Those things aren't really on a resume...he just went along doing his thing.

And no, people use the word "generational" like it means something that it isn't. Tavares was generational, and a fair chunk of scouts had Hedman 1st overall...not everyone is generational, despite media hype and hype from fans that don't watch these players. Excellent prospect. A 1st overall type prospect. And yeah, like you said, skating concerns. Just how great of a playmaker was he really? Blah blah blah.

He had a really nice career for any player, any 1st overall player even...but I'd really like to petition the board czar here that every time the word "generational" gets submitted in a post, your device sprays you in the face with piping hot gravy haha

Sure...some players are generational. Very, very, very few of them...by definition. Christ, over on the prospects board, I'm being gaslighted into a goal-scoring winger having "generational hockey sense" - whatever that means...

Tavares was an excellent prospect, but Christ on a cracker, guys, give yourself some place to go when something amazing actually happens haha

so basically your saying he was hyped to be generational but he is not generational

 

[Michael Farkas]

so basically your saying he was hyped to be generational but he is not generational

Right. The media and fans absolutely cannot be trusted with these terms. Remember "it's the Shane Wright draft" from a couple years ago...? Yeah, it was...until like November 3rd. He barely hung on to a top 5 spot for me by the end of the year.

 

[TheBig08]

Right. The media and fans absolutely cannot be trusted with these terms. Remember "it's the Shane Wright draft" from a couple years ago...? Yeah, it was...until like November 3rd. He barely hung on to a top 5 spot for me by the end of the year.

Yeah I remember they hyped Shane Wright to be generational

 

[MadLuke]

so basically your saying he was hyped to be generational but he is not generational

there was 2 factor, a bit like how much Daigle got push with the Lindros media complex, Ovechkin-Crosby created a bit of an high expectation of prospect and how mature-developed he was as a 15-16 years old.

Beating Gretzky record with a 72 goals season that lead the league over an much older Patrick Kane has your draft-2 is maybe a generational draft-2 in the chl season, but he did not grow that much from there.

By the time his draft year came, there was a lot of talk about Hedman and even Duchene for who people had number 1, there was no such talk Lemieux-Lindros-Crosby-McDavid years.

 

[TheBig08]

Based off Bedards rookie season he will probably put up better but similar numbers to Patrick Kane and probably have a better but similar career to him as well.

 

[TheBig08]

there was 2 factor, a bit like how much Daigle got push with the Lindros media complex, Ovechkin-Crosby created a bit of an high expectation of prospect and how mature-developed he was as a 15-16 years old.

Beating Gretzky record with a 72 goals season that lead the league over an much older Patrick Kane has your draft-2 is maybe a generational draft-2 in the chl season, but he did not grow that much from there.

By the time his draft year came, there was a lot of talk about Hedman and even Duchene for who people had number 1, there was no such talk Lemieux-Lindros-Crosby-McDavid years.

so your saying based off his record breaking season in the chl people expected him to be on crosby/ovechkin level but after that season he did not get better and people started seeing that he was not as good as he was previously hyped up to be.

 

[MadLuke]

so your saying based off his record breaking season in the chl people expected him to be on crosby/ovechkin level but after that season he did not get better and people started seeing that he was not as good as he was previously hyped up to be.

Yes from memory the generational talk was the exceptional status 45 goals season (has a draft -3) + breaking Gretzky goal record being so young (draft -2), that was really exceptional.

Is Tavares the Next Great One? (Published 2007)

Since Wayne Gretzky rewrote the N.H.L.’s record books in the ’80s and ’90s, Canada has searched for the next Great One. John Tavares is the latest to earn such comparisons.

www.nytimes.com

Is Tavares the next great one ?

That calmed down when growth did not show, still an above average first overall, taht did lead the ohl in goal and points his draft year, but no separation with the rest similar to a Crosby.

 

[TheBig08]

Yes from memory the generational talk was the exceptional status 45 goals season (has a draft -3) + breaking Gretzky goal record being so young (draft -2), that was really exceptional.

Is Tavares the Next Great One? (Published 2007)

Since Wayne Gretzky rewrote the N.H.L.’s record books in the ’80s and ’90s, Canada has searched for the next Great One. John Tavares is the latest to earn such comparisons.

www.nytimes.com

Is Tavares the next great one ?

That calmed down when growth did not show, still an above average first overall, taht did lead the ohl in goal and points his draft year, but no separation with the rest similar to a Crosby.

so your saying the talk about him being generation started the year he made the exceptional status thing which was during his -3 draft season and then the -2 draft season where he broke the goal record raised the talk even more. Then the next season people noticed he wasn't getting better and the talk quieted down but he was still hyped to be better than average and then his draft year he lead the ohl in goals and points but the lead he had wasn't by a wide margin similar to crosbys draft year.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Tavares reputation probably exceeds both his resume and his ability. Kind of a double whammy of probably overrated [depends who you talk to etc.] Will probably get in the HHOF without individual accolades or team success, not really a two way guy but good enough career totals.

 

[The Macho King]

Tavares reputation probably exceeds both his resume and his ability. Kind of a double whammy of probably overrated [depends who you talk to etc.] Will probably get in the HHOF without individual accolades or team success, not really a two way guy but good enough career totals.

His reputation is probably being overcorrected now.