Speculation: Player Discussion: Will Smith

karltonian

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Copying this from the other thread, since I did the work:

The top 10 skaters Eklund played with during his 1st two NHL seasons, in order:

Tomas HertlC
Erik KarlssonD
James ReimerG
Logan CoutureC
Kaapo KahkonenG
Mario FerraroD
Adin HillG
Fabian ZetterlundL
Rudolfs BalcersL
Alexander BarabanovL
Brent BurnsD
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Kevin LabancR

This is what Smith has been dealing with, which oddly I didn't realize he played so much with Zetterlund. But this is absolutely abysmal:

Vitek VanecekG
Fabian ZetterlundL
Luke KuninC
Barclay GoodrowC
Mackenzie BlackwoodG
Henry ThrunD
Cody CeciD
Jake WalmanD
Mario FerraroD
Jan RuttaD
Matthew BenningD
Klim KostinC

Bonus work!

Hertl's first season:

Antti NiemiG
Joe ThorntonC
Brent BurnsD
Jason DemersD
Dan BoyleD
Scott HannanD
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Brad StuartD
Justin BraunD
Tommy WingelsC
Matt IrwinD

Couture's first season:

Evgeni NabokovG
Dan BoyleD
Kent HuskinsD
Douglas MurrayD
Manny MalhotraC
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Dany HeatleyL
Torrey MitchellC
Rob BlakeD
Ryane CloweL
Niclas WallinD

Timo's first season:

Martin JonesG
Chris TierneyC
Brenden DillonD
Justin BraunD
Brent BurnsD
Paul MartinD
David SchlemkoD
Joel WardR
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Joonas DonskoiR
Aaron DellG
Joe PavelskiC

So the idea that other Sharks top prospects had to deal with this is not true at all. We are not imagining Will's situation being terrible. Almost makes you wonder if a point is being made? I cannot think of any reason they would do this to their top prospect currently playing, assuming competence.
 
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Jargon

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Copying this from the other thread, since I did the work:

The top 10 skaters Eklund played with during his 1st two NHL seasons, in order:

Tomas HertlC
Erik KarlssonD
James ReimerG
Logan CoutureC
Kaapo KahkonenG
Mario FerraroD
Adin HillG
Fabian ZetterlundL
Rudolfs BalcersL
Alexander BarabanovL
Brent BurnsD
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Kevin LabancR

This is what Smith has been dealing with, which oddly I didn't realize he played so much with Zetterlund. But this is absolutely abysmal:

Vitek VanecekG
Fabian ZetterlundL
Luke KuninC
Barclay GoodrowC
Mackenzie BlackwoodG
Henry ThrunD
Cody CeciD
Jake WalmanD
Mario FerraroD
Jan RuttaD
Matthew BenningD
Klim KostinC

Bonus work!

Hertl's first season:

Antti NiemiG
Joe ThorntonC
Brent BurnsD
Jason DemersD
Dan BoyleD
Scott HannanD
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Brad StuartD
Justin BraunD
Tommy WingelsC
Matt IrwinD

Couture's first season:

Evgeni NabokovG
Dan BoyleD
Kent HuskinsD
Douglas MurrayD
Manny MalhotraC
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Dany HeatleyL
Torrey MitchellC
Rob BlakeD
Ryane CloweL
Niclas WallinD

Timo's first season:

Martin JonesG
Chris TierneyC
Brenden DillonD
Justin BraunD
Brent BurnsD
Paul MartinD
David SchlemkoD
Joel WardR
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Joonas DonskoiR
Aaron DellG
Joe PavelskiC

So the idea that other Sharks top prospects had to deal with this is not true at all. We are not imagining Will's situation being terrible. Almost makes you wonder if a point is being made?

Timo’s ain’t great but yeah, obviously those teams were a million times better.
 

BaileyMacTavish

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I just feel like at some point, putting up donuts is kinda not okay and is a good sign maybe he's not NHL ready. But I know that sending him down isn't in the cards and was all foe it at first since all he needs tk do is get used to the NHL game speed. But man, I am just praying the other picks in 2023 pan out at this rate
 

karltonian

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I just feel like at some point, putting up donuts is kinda not okay and is a good sign maybe he's not NHL ready. But I know that sending him down isn't in the cards and was all foe it at first since all he needs tk do is get used to the NHL game speed. But man, I am just praying the other picks in 2023 pan out at this rate
Please don't miss my post a few above, it really helped me crystallize my take. Smith is being absolutely destroyed and he's literally our best prospect to play in 26 years. I don't care what they think the plan is for him, this ain't it. This is malfeasance.
 

OrrNumber4

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Copying this from the other thread, since I did the work:

The top 10 skaters Eklund played with during his 1st two NHL seasons, in order:

Tomas HertlC
Erik KarlssonD
James ReimerG
Logan CoutureC
Kaapo KahkonenG
Mario FerraroD
Adin HillG
Fabian ZetterlundL
Rudolfs BalcersL
Alexander BarabanovL
Brent BurnsD
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Kevin LabancR

This is what Smith has been dealing with, which oddly I didn't realize he played so much with Zetterlund. But this is absolutely abysmal:

Vitek VanecekG
Fabian ZetterlundL
Luke KuninC
Barclay GoodrowC
Mackenzie BlackwoodG
Henry ThrunD
Cody CeciD
Jake WalmanD
Mario FerraroD
Jan RuttaD
Matthew BenningD
Klim KostinC

Bonus work!

Hertl's first season:

Antti NiemiG
Joe ThorntonC
Brent BurnsD
Jason DemersD
Dan BoyleD
Scott HannanD
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Brad StuartD
Justin BraunD
Tommy WingelsC
Matt IrwinD

Couture's first season:

Evgeni NabokovG
Dan BoyleD
Kent HuskinsD
Douglas MurrayD
Manny MalhotraC
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Dany HeatleyL
Torrey MitchellC
Rob BlakeD
Ryane CloweL
Niclas WallinD

Timo's first season:

Martin JonesG
Chris TierneyC
Brenden DillonD
Justin BraunD
Brent BurnsD
Paul MartinD
David SchlemkoD
Joel WardR
Marc-Edouard VlasicD
Joonas DonskoiR
Aaron DellG
Joe PavelskiC

So the idea that other Sharks top prospects had to deal with this is not true at all. We are not imagining Will's situation being terrible. Almost makes you wonder if a point is being made? I cannot think of any reason they would do this to their top prospect currently playing, assuming competence.
I think you have the cause and effect backwards.

Take Meier. He had poor linemates because he struggled! He didn't earn promotion to better linemates. You wouldn't have looked at his sophomoric game and blamed the coach for not giving him better linemates.

In contrast, over a full season Hertl and Couture has better linemates because they played very well and displaced those ahead of them. Neither player played where they didn't belong.

You should repeat the analysis just looking at the first 10 games for each player.
 

karltonian

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I think you have the cause and effect backwards.

Take Meier. He had poor linemates because he struggled!
Revisionist history.

Looking at the first 10 games for Timo, for the first 8 he played with the same guys, Tierney and Donskoi, which was deployed as the 2nd line. He then got a look on the top line with Jumbo and Pavelski from the 9th to 12th game before going back to Tierney's line where he stayed for the rest of the season (lots of line blending esp late season and all bets were off after Thornton got hurt).
 

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