Player discussion: Sean Walker

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If Spence and Durzi continue to shine on through the end of the season, I could see him being shipped out. But if he isn't, I could see him having a spot to give him a chance.
 
He's a pretty good defenseman. He has size, something Spence does not. On a small team, that's something to be coveted. I think he fits in as a 5th or 6th d man. I don't think la should be giving up on him.
 
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He's a pretty good defenseman. He has size, something Spence does not. On a small team, that's something to be coveted. I think he fits in as a 5th or 6th d man. I don't think la should be giving up on him.
Well yeah, kinda like the snail looking at that speedy turtle.
 
Spence: 5’10, 180
Walker: 5’11, 195

Not much of a size difference.

Walker is interesting though. He has almost no value across the league. Would we not be better moving Roy for a nice haul? Walker has proven on several occasions that he can play on his off side.

Walker - Doughty
Anderson - Durzi
Bjornfot - Spence
 
i think assuming spence replaces him now is a bit of "shiny new toy"ism

they may be similar in some respects but spence is cost controlled and can be waived, walker probably just plays off side 2nd or 3rd pairing depending if they re-sign edler or not
 
Thought being a right shot Dman with contract left on a good contract and on LTIR would have made him easy to move at the trade deadline for teams looking a bit extra cap room at the deadline.

That guess was wrong.

My next theory is that Phoenix needs contracts going forward. I think he will be part of a Chychrun trade this summer to help off set a bit of salary. He is a good defenseman and right shots are harder to find. A guaranteed contract may tempt them to want him as part of the package

Doughty, Roy and Durzi have all cemented their place. Spence is charging hard and we still have Clarke as a wildcard.
 
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Spence: 5’10, 180
Walker: 5’11, 195

Not much of a size difference.

Walker is interesting though. He has almost no value across the league. Would we not be better moving Roy for a nice haul? Walker has proven on several occasions that he can play on his off side.

Walker - Doughty
Anderson - Durzi
Bjornfot - Spence
I imagine he has roughly the same value Stetcher did. We could package him in the draft to move up to a team that's more in need of an experienced defenseman.
 
Spence: 5’10, 180
Walker: 5’11, 195

Not much of a size difference.

Walker is interesting though. He has almost no value across the league. Would we not be better moving Roy for a nice haul? Walker has proven on several occasions that he can play on his off side.

Walker - Doughty
Anderson - Durzi
Bjornfot - Spence
No. The reason to move Walker is to clear the roster spot for younger players who can do what he does for cheaper, and maybe better.

Roy cannot, at this time, be replaced with even close to the same level of ease as Walker. Even taking the better return into consideration it would be a step back. He provides elements this blueline still lacks.

At this point I simply value Walker’s cap hit being gone more than anything, so I take the lesser return for the less valuable guy and promote from within.
 
No. The reason to move Walker is to clear the roster spot for younger players who can do what he does for cheaper, and maybe better.

Roy cannot, at this time, be replaced with even close to the same level of ease as Walker. Even taking the better return into consideration it would be a step back. He provides elements this blueline still lacks.

At this point I simply value Walker’s cap hit being gone more than anything, so I take the lesser return for the less valuable guy and promote from within.

Then who do we send down or force to switch sides? Durzi? Spence? If Doughty and Roy are two thirds of our right side, does Clarke fit in anywhere?
 
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I think Walker should be moved if possible. Way too much talent on the right side now. Walker's game was already downtrending as well.

I think they need to show Roy video of his 140 shots (only scored one, when he was close to the net and that was good) and that 139 of them
he was like a robot, that instantly and automatically shot a 0.0000% percentage shot, averaging 62 mph from an average of 52 feet from the goal. The video will show on all 139 shots, that he had tunnel vision and did not once notice that 85% of the time, he had a good pass option of an open teammate.
Out of 139 of these shots, all were easily stopped by the goalie and there were probably less than 5 rebounds. These 139 instances, the play would have continued, by passing to an open teammate - and every one of them had more talent to do something better.

Yes, this has nothing to do with the solid defense he plays and his value to the team. But he's killed more offense, than anyone on the team,
by almost 100% of the time he gets the puck, he chooses this as his #1 option and almost has a 100% failure rate.

 
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I think Walker should be moved if possible. Way too much talent on the right side now. Walker's game was already downtrending as well.

I think they need to show Roy video of his 140 shots (only scored one, when he was close to the net and that was good) and that 139 of them
he was like a robot, that instantly and automatically shot a 0.0000% percentage shot, averaging 62 mph from an average of 52 feet from the goal. The video will show on all 139 shots, that he had tunnel vision and did not once notice that 85% of the time, he had a good pass option of an open teammate.
Out of 139 of these shots, all were easily stopped by the goalie and there were probably less than 5 rebounds. These 139 instances, the play would have continued, by passing to an open teammate - and every one of them had more talent to do something better.

Yes, this has nothing to do with the solid defense he plays and his value to the team. But he's killed more offense, than anyone on the team,
by almost 100% of the time he gets the puck, he chooses this as his #1 option and almost has a 100% failure rate.

To me solid defense Roy plays is overrated.

I observed that many times in critical points of the games his read and react time is slow.

When he played on PK Kings suffered more than a few times this year because of his slow responses.
 
Then who do we send down or force to switch sides? Durzi? Spence? If Doughty and Roy are two thirds of our right side, does Clarke fit in anywhere?
I don’t know how most of that will play out. But I’m in a Sean Walker discussion, and he’s the easiest piece dealt with in the puzzle.
 
I think Walker should be moved if possible. Way too much talent on the right side now. Walker's game was already downtrending as well.

I think they need to show Roy video of his 140 shots (only scored one, when he was close to the net and that was good) and that 139 of them
he was like a robot, that instantly and automatically shot a 0.0000% percentage shot, averaging 62 mph from an average of 52 feet from the goal. The video will show on all 139 shots, that he had tunnel vision and did not once notice that 85% of the time, he had a good pass option of an open teammate.
Out of 139 of these shots, all were easily stopped by the goalie and there were probably less than 5 rebounds. These 139 instances, the play would have continued, by passing to an open teammate - and every one of them had more talent to do something better.

Yes, this has nothing to do with the solid defense he plays and his value to the team. But he's killed more offense, than anyone on the team,
by almost 100% of the time he gets the puck, he chooses this as his #1 option and almost has a 100% failure rate.


Is that an indictment on Roy or on our forwards for not being in position for a screen/tip/rebound? I find it hard to believe that there are 139 instances out of 140 that not shooting is a better outcome. In fact, Jack Han in Jesse's podcast says that shots take in hockey have a positive outcome relative to soccer or basketball (where possession is generally turned over) as opposed to hockey, which has end boards and the pin-ball effect, which has a higher chance of resulting in a goal.

Also, he currently has 16 assists, which would put him on pace for ~20 assists for the year, which isn't terrible for a stay at home dman.
 
I think Walker should be moved if possible. Way too much talent on the right side now. Walker's game was already downtrending as well.

I think they need to show Roy video of his 140 shots (only scored one, when he was close to the net and that was good) and that 139 of them
he was like a robot, that instantly and automatically shot a 0.0000% percentage shot, averaging 62 mph from an average of 52 feet from the goal. The video will show on all 139 shots, that he had tunnel vision and did not once notice that 85% of the time, he had a good pass option of an open teammate.
Out of 139 of these shots, all were easily stopped by the goalie and there were probably less than 5 rebounds. These 139 instances, the play would have continued, by passing to an open teammate - and every one of them had more talent to do something better.

Yes, this has nothing to do with the solid defense he plays and his value to the team. But he's killed more offense, than anyone on the team,
by almost 100% of the time he gets the puck, he chooses this as his #1 option and almost has a 100% failure rate.

If Matt Roy killed offense like you suggested, then the Kings should not be scoring goals when he's on the ice, right? Yet he has as high a Goals For per 60 minutes played at even strength as everyone's golden boy, Sean Durzi. What Roy does do effectively is kill opponents' offense.

Do you want the Kings to win games, or do you want to watch prospects? I understand if it's option 2; it's "hockey's future" after all. But if it's option 1, you keep Roy in the lineup when you can.
 
you keep Roy in the lineup when you can.
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I think Walker should be moved if possible. Way too much talent on the right side now. Walker's game was already downtrending as well.

I think they need to show Roy video of his 140 shots (only scored one, when he was close to the net and that was good) and that 139 of them
he was like a robot, that instantly and automatically shot a 0.0000% percentage shot, averaging 62 mph from an average of 52 feet from the goal. The video will show on all 139 shots, that he had tunnel vision and did not once notice that 85% of the time, he had a good pass option of an open teammate.
Out of 139 of these shots, all were easily stopped by the goalie and there were probably less than 5 rebounds. These 139 instances, the play would have continued, by passing to an open teammate - and every one of them had more talent to do something better.

Yes, this has nothing to do with the solid defense he plays and his value to the team. But he's killed more offense, than anyone on the team,
by almost 100% of the time he gets the puck, he chooses this as his #1 option and almost has a 100% failure rate.

Rank the following players in goals for per 60 minutes over the past three seasons at even strength:

a. Anderson
b. Bjornfot
c. Doughty
d. Durzi
e. Maatta
f. Roy
g. Walker

Answer in gray:
d e f a g c b

Rank the following players in goals for % over the past three seasons at even strength:

a. Anderson
b. Bjornfot
c. Doughty
d. Durzi
e. Maatta
f. Roy
g. Walker

Answer in gray:
f e a d c b g

Back to Walker. I feel bad for him because he sustained two major injuries for this team, and it feels unfair that he lost his job due to injury. The fact is he's not been very good, offensively or defensively. If there's one guy you move to make room, it's certainly not Roy, who is arguable the best defenseman on the team. It's Walker.
 
Doesn't Walker also play the left side? If so, hard to say we move on from him considering we are weak on the left side. Spence and Durzi play right. If Walker plays only right, then I see the point.
 
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Rank the following players in goals for per 60 minutes over the past three seasons at even strength:

a. Anderson
b. Bjornfot
c. Doughty
d. Durzi
e. Maatta
f. Roy
g. Walker

Answer in gray:
d e f a g c b

Rank the following players in goals for % over the past three seasons at even strength:

a. Anderson
b. Bjornfot
c. Doughty
d. Durzi
e. Maatta
f. Roy
g. Walker

Answer in gray:
f e a d c b g

Back to Walker. I feel bad for him because he sustained two major injuries for this team, and it feels unfair that he lost his job due to injury. The fact is he's not been very good, offensively or defensively. If there's one guy you move to make room, it's certainly not Roy, who is arguable the best defenseman on the team. It's Walker.
Roy is a solid dman which isn't up for debate.

The question is do you take him over Spence/Faber/ Clarke?

Clarke and Faber can play in the AHL and OHL for a year buying time.

Andersson and Bjornfort aren't as good as Roy but both are similar non-offensive players that can be paired with offensive guys.

Then it comes down to Durzi and Spence. Spence can go back down for another year but is that what's best for him? Is his upside higher than both Durzi and Roy? He was having a ROTY type season in the AHL for what that is worth. Seems more sound defensively than Durzi but is a bit smaller. Durzi also brings that glue locker room element.

My guess (not deep or anything) is Walker is traded and Spence has another year in the AHL.

??? Doughty
Anderson Durzi
Bjornfort Roy
Moverare

AHL:
Spence
Faber
Grans
 
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Roy is a solid dman which isn't up for debate.

The question is do you take him over Spence/Faber/ Clarke?

Clarke and Faber can play in the AHL and OHL for a year buying time.

Andersson and Bjornfort aren't as good as Roy but both are similar non-offensive players that can be paired with offensive guys.

Then it comes down to Durzi and Spence. Spence can go back down for another year but is that what's best for him? Is his upside higher than both Durzi and Roy? He was having a ROTY type season in the AHL for what that is worth. Seems more sound defensively than Durzi but is a bit smaller. Durzi also brings that glue locker room element.

My guess (not deep or anything) is Walker is traded and Spence has another year in the AHL.

??? Doughty
Anderson Durzi
Bjornfort Roy
Moverare

AHL:
Spence
Faber
Grans
I think you just play Durzi on the left side with Doughty and not worry about the left hand right hand thing. It's been done with Durzi and Walker. A Durzi-Doughty pairing has been really successful (6 goals for, 2 goals against in 50 minutes), but only employed when the Kings are behind and need goals.

Durzi-Doughty
Bjornfot-Roy
Anderson-Spence
 
I think you just play Durzi on the left side with Doughty and not worry about the left hand right hand thing. It's been done with Durzi and Walker. A Durzi-Doughty pairing has been really successful (6 goals for, 2 goals against in 50 minutes), but only employed when the Kings are behind and need goals.

Durzi-Doughty
Bjornfot-Roy
Anderson-Spence
Anderson Doughty
Durzi Roy
Bjornfot Spence
 

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