Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

[Nodoughtyboutit]

I wonder if we can get Prokhorkin over here theyd be more open to drafting Podkolzin start a Russian second line.

 

[KopitarFAN]

I think ur right on how it will go and i think there will be a offer to trade the pick so someone can choose Pod ahead of the red wings who may be interested in him.

You look at the teams picking 7-10, 2 have an additional first (I don't think it would cost that, but as we know, the cost goes up at the top of the board) and all but Buffalo have their 2nd round pick.

 

[Reaper45]

I think ur right on how it will go and i think there will be a offer to trade the pick so someone can choose Pod ahead of the red wings who may be interested in him.

I would be on board with #5 for say #6-9 and an additional late 1st or a 2nd.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

You look at the teams picking 7-10, 2 have an additional first (I don't think it would cost that, but as we know, the cost goes up at the top of the board) and all but Buffalo have their 2nd round pick.

I am not sure who or what the trade would look like to be honest I am just saying it makes sense for us to look at a offer seriously if we get one. The russian kid is very talented and i can see why teams would want him. I just feel the kings are not a good fit with him and i see a very good player sliding to us lower in the draft

 

[Reaper45]

I wonder if we can get Prokhorkin over here theyd be more open to drafting Podkolzin start a Russian second line.

Problem is podkolzin cant come over until after I think its the 2020-21 season. And then will he want to come over when Kovalchuk will be gone, who knows of Prohorkin will cut it and sign a paltry ELC when he can make a shit ton more at home?

 

[kings11]

I think they trade down if they can get one of Turcotte, Byram or Dach...
My dream would be
#5- Alex Turcotte
#24- Moritz Seider... Think faster Erik Cernak.. Bobby Brink would be here but he's rising
#33- Nolan Foote

 

[kilowatt]

Anybody that has followed the draft for more than a hot minute will know that what is said in April means little when they get to late June.

GM’s thrive on suckers who hang on their every word because it’s all by design. Outside of the top 2, nothing will be set in stone and it could change the moment before a team walks up to the podium.

One common theme that has occurred without any change in at least the last 25+ years that I have followed it is that the top guys will get critiqued to death and guys who were rated lower will all of the sudden start climbing even if nothing new has happened. It’s because they all have too much time on their hands and they start over analyzing everything. That’s why the next two months will be a joke in how many times things will change.

You won’t know a thing about what the Kings will do until they make the pick. If you hang your hopes on 1 particular guy then there is an overwhelmingly high chance that your hopes will be dashed. Best way to play it is have 4-5 guys you like and will be happy to get because it rarely plays out as planned once you get past the top guy or the top two in this case.

For me, I will be more than pleased with Cozens, Dach, Turcotte, Byram and if Podkolzin is picked, that means the Kings did their due diligence on him most likely and vetted him to the point that Blake and Luc are willing to stake their jobs on the pick coming over because of the critical importance of it.

After yesterday, I was pretty much at peace with the draft with the first pick we have because it will most likely be one of those guys and they are all excellent options. That said, I’m sure 1-2 more guys will nudge their way into the conversation because that’s how these things go. My guess is that it will be Krebs and Zegras but there will always be one from left field.

What’s comforting to me is that I’d be happy with any of them at pick 3, too. We knew it was a long shot to pick top two, but it’s not like there’s a clear drop in skill or talent between 3 and ~7. If we end up with Byram, Turcotte, Cozens, Dach, or Podkokzin, we come out with a future NHL player. Best case scenario for me is we draft Turcotte and Broberg.

If we do end up with Byram or Broberv, we’re gonna have a hell of a defense in a couple years.

Byram/Broberg - Doughty
Clague - Anderson
Phillips - Durzi

 

[KINGS17]

Pretty confident Blackhawks will take Turcotte 3rd. Chicago native, he plays like Toews, and the GM talked about drafting Toews 3rd overall and getting someone to follow in his footsteps.

Colorado is the wild card. They could take Byram or one of the top forwards. They value skill, and we see all these kids have it.

I would hope for either Byram or Dach gets picked at 5 (if the top 3 goes as I expect). Leaning towards Byram over Dach.

I think Byram is a pretty good fit for the Avs. I will be surprised if they don't take him if he is available.

Regarding you other post about teams perhaps being more enamored with forwards and speed today than in the past, I think the pendulum swings to extremes. I tend to agree with @damacles1156 position that there isn't a system being played today that hasn't already been tried in the past. It all comes down to execution of a system and the best talent available to play the system being used by an organization.

I don't think the Kings system under Sutter was obsolete, I just think the players were no longer as proficient at executing it. I suppose an argument can be made regarding which systems are easier to execute over an extended period of time, but I know this, for the two month grind that is the NHL playoffs, the Kings system was very difficult to beat. The opposing team can't win if they play 60% of the game in their own zone and your goaltender is among the best in the game and takes care of any mistakes in your own end.

Cliches and adages occur for a reason. Generally a good big man beats a good little man.

 

[KINGS17]

I would be on board with #5 for say #6-9 and an additional late 1st or a 2nd.

If that kind of trade is available to Blake, he should do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Nodoughtyboutit]

Problem is podkolzin cant come over until after I think its the 2020-21 season. And then will he want to come over when Kovalchuk will be gone, who knows of Prohorkin will cut it and sign a paltry ELC when he can make a **** ton more at home?

Yeah, it just sounded like Prohorkin was gonna sign an ELC after this khl season was over. And that the general feel for the tier 2 players after Hughes and Kakko are Turcotte, Pod, and Byram. And of those three it seems the most likely to fall out of the top 4 is Pod and shouldn't we take the bpa even if we have have to wait a season or two?

 

[kings11]

I think Byram is a pretty good fit for the Avs. I will be surprised if they don't take him if he is available.

Regarding you other post about teams perhaps being more enamored with forwards and speed today than in the past, I think the pendulum swings to extremes. I tend to agree with @damacles1156 position that there isn't a system being played today that hasn't already been tried in the past. It all comes down to execution of a system and the best talent available to play the system being used by an organization.

I don't think the Kings system under Sutter was obsolete, I just think the players were no longer as proficient at executing it. I suppose an argument can be made regarding which systems are easier to execute over an extended period of time, but I know this, for the two month grind that is the NHL playoffs, the Kings system was very difficult to beat. The opposing team can't win if they play 60% of the game in their own zone and your goaltender is among the best in the game and takes care of any mistakes in your own end.

Cliches and adages occur for a reason. Generally a good big man beats a good little man.

Even though it sounded funny when I posted this...The Kings want to be big down the middle and fast at the wings... Dach is a big C but not at a Vilardi skill level (damn bad back).. Turcotte on the other hand is a solid 195-200lbs with skill and speed and would give the Kings everything they need and he could possible play wing was well... with that second 1st I want Bobby Brink but he's likely gone so Moritz Seider looks really good...like a faster Erik Cernak

 

[Little Psycho]

Should have thought about that before he sucked.

 

[KINGS17]

Should have thought about that before he sucked.

I can't blame Carter for getting injured and old. I do blame him for not displaying much in the way of extra effort, or even effort for that matter, but it is probably hard to be a very good player to not being able to cut it in a short period of time.

This from Carter:

“I’ve got three years left on my contract. I want to be an L.A. King. I want to help change things around here, but I don’t have trade protection, so whatever happens, happens. And I never talked about retiring, either. That never came out of my mouth.”

No Jeff, it came out of your agent's mouth, if I remember correctly.

 

[lumbergh]

I can't see the Kings drafting Pod due to the Russian factor We need a player that will be playing in north america at the very least.

None of those three players will step right on to NHL ice. The Kings can afford to wait the two years for a good player.

 

[Bandit]

The Kings are wearing red

Was gonna say, that's Kings' level defense circa 2019

 

[Telos]

Problem is podkolzin cant come over until after I think its the 2020-21 season. And then will he want to come over when Kovalchuk will be gone, who knows of Prohorkin will cut it and sign a paltry ELC when he can make a **** ton more at home?

Pod scares me the most. He might have the tools to be the next Russian 40+ goal scorer in the NHL, but Russians just have so much risk involved and the Kings have never had good history with them.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Snippet:
“There’ll be player transactions, don’t get me wrong. We understand that,” Blake said. “We’re going to incorporate younger players. There could be any range between eight and 10 new pros. Where they fit in our organization, I’m not 100 percent sure. And that will play out going forward. Some of the young guys you saw in the lineup near the end of the season will definitely compete for jobs.”

 

[deaderhead28]

The Mayor John Hoven

Good Read and break down.

(new article) TO DO LIST: LA Kings Have Way Too Many Forwards - plus notes on Artemi Panarin

TO DO LIST: Kings Have Way Too Many Forwards The Mayor John Hoven on Twitter

 

[deeshamrock]

Snippet:
“There’ll be player transactions, don’t get me wrong. We understand that,” Blake said. “We’re going to incorporate younger players. There could be any range between eight and 10 new pros. Where they fit in our organization, I’m not 100 percent sure. And that will play out going forward. Some of the young guys you saw in the lineup near the end of the season will definitely compete for jobs.”

That's about half of the team.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That's about half of the team.

That number includes most of the new faces we were already seeing in the lineup. The guys on the bubble are going to be Quick, Toffoli, Carter, Phaneuf, Kovalchuk, Martinez, Lewis and Forbort. It's probably unlikely all eight of those players will be off the roster by opening night, but a majority of them may be moved.

 

[Choralone]

Martinez is the only one that can be straight-up moved and still retain pretty good value. Maybe Lewis because even though he was injured; other teams know what they're getting. Everyone else is damaged goods that look more like deadline material to me - assuming any of them can rebound enough to up their desirability. Phaneuf is a lost cause, however. Forbort is what he is as well, too. He can be dealt, but he's not bringing back a lot.

 

[kings11]

First off.. those lines are god awful

Now I don’t mind holding on to players hoping that they bounce back and then trade them, looking at you Sloffoli or Carter(whom I think will return to 50pts) but Phaneuf regardless of the cap hit needs to go! If the King’s are intent on moving Amart, then the draft could be a great place to do it..
Brown - Kopitar - Carter
Iafallo - Kempe - Toffoli
Prokhorkin- Amadio - Kovalchuk
Wagner - Lewis - Luff
Clifford- - - Brody/Sherbak

 

[deaderhead28]

First off.. those lines are god awful

Now I don’t mind holding on to players hoping that they bounce back and then trade them, looking at you Sloffoli or Carter(whom I think will return to 50pts) but Phaneuf regardless of the cap hit needs to go! If the King’s are intent on moving Amart, then the draft could be a great place to do it..
Brown - Kopitar - Carter
Iafallo - Kempe - Toffoli
Prokhorkin- Amadio - Kovalchuk
Wagner - Lewis - Luff
Clifford- - - Brody/Sherbak

Brod is a UFA and not expected to be resign according to rumors.Sherbak isnt ready for the NHL and well probably resign and stay in Ontario.I doubt Carter will be on the opening night roster or Lewis.I agree with John Hovens idea of possible line combinations in his article posted above.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

First off.. those lines are god awful

Now I don’t mind holding on to players hoping that they bounce back and then trade them, looking at you Sloffoli or Carter(whom I think will return to 50pts) but Phaneuf regardless of the cap hit needs to go! If the King’s are intent on moving Amart, then the draft could be a great place to do it..
Brown - Kopitar - Carter
Iafallo - Kempe - Toffoli
Prokhorkin- Amadio - Kovalchuk
Wagner - Lewis - Luff
Clifford- - - Brody/Sherbak

Scherbak is going back to Russia: he 'rejoindra' Bob Hartley.

Nikita Scherbak rejoindra Bob Hartley - TVA Sports

That's fine...he was not going to make the Kings...even as bad as they are.

 

[AlphaBravo]

We have to be patient during the rebuild. I was looking at Toronto’s drafting history, and it took them 3-4 years to get to where they are. Drafting Nylander in 2014 started the process. They only had 1st overall and that was Matthews.

There are a couple of factors that could make our rebuild last 2 years. If Vilardi is healthy and Kupari is the real deal. If so, we sort of started our rebuild in 2017. A good draft this year and next year could make us a skilled and talented team by 2020. We also have an advantage by having our 1D set, and Kopitar as a future solid 2c.

Next year’s lineup is going to look sort of how we ended the year, perhaps minus some vets like Carter, Lewis, Martinez, or Kovy.

Mid season, we could see more of JAD and Kupari.