Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

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And this is why goalies rarely have much value. This is what non-Kings fans always criticized Quick about when the topic of best goalie in the league would come up; that he's a system goalie. He relies on the players in front of him. A lot of goalies do, if not most, if not all goalies not named Hasek. If he needs a solid team in front of him to be able to take full advantage of his talent, who is taking him for $7m in actual money next year? I doubt the Kings will retain much on a 4 year contract. If you're an average team, can Quick make you elite? Or good enough to make it worth taking on 4 years? People can say well Seattle can take him if the new team is unhappy, but everyone thought Vegas was going to be a nice dumping ground for cap hits too. I don't see how Seattle doesn't want to try to win now that the Knights have opened the floodgates, and Quick will be a couple years older than Fleury was when Vegas got him.

The one position where you want to be most efficient is in net, because only 1 guy can play at any given time. If he's not good, but he takes up a lot of space/money, you're likely going to be hurt in the standings. There's no changing Quick into a checker, or decreasing his minutes per game from 18 to 13. He is in, or out. And he is 33 now. Will be 34 next year. Maybe this year is just a horrible season, maybe age is catching up, who knows for sure, and that's the problem with goalies. Not that there's been a good time to trade him after getting the 10 year deal, but you couldn't find a worse time to try to trade Quick than in June 2019.

There's isn't one thing that is in his favor right now, or in the Kings favor. Not just Quick, but Campbell is a UFA next year. His career has been wasted, and if he has a good year again, he's going to want money, and a #1 job. That's fine, but Petersen is supposed to be the next guy. The problem there is he's going to be 25 already in Oct, and is a RFA this summer. None of these variables line up too well. If Quick had 1 year left, not a problem. If Campbell was signed for a couple years, not a problem. If Petersen was 21, not a problem. The Kings goaltending situation, like everything else, is sort of a mess. That's why the move to make might be to trade Campbell while his value is as high as it will get. Come back with Quick/Petersen, let Petersen get a few extra games as the year goes on, and ride out Quick's time the way the Rangers are with Lundqvist.

This is how I see it playing out. Campbell is in the same situation Jones was in, playing well but stuck behind the starter. He may have more value than Quick, just move him to the east and keep him away from EDM, or CAL.
 
This is how I see it playing out. Campbell is in the same situation Jones was in, playing well but stuck behind the starter. He may have more value than Quick, just move him to the east and keep him away from EDM, or CAL.

I'd buyout Quick (or put him on waivers and send him to Ontario) before doing that. If you aren't getting a lot either way, might as well keep the better asset in Campbell.

EDIT: I'll amend this, if they got a 1st (like Boston did for Jones) i'd probably do it.
 
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I'd buyout Quick (or put him on waivers and send him to Ontario) before doing that. If you aren't getting a lot either way, might as well keep the better asset in Campbell.

EDIT: I'll amend this, if they got a 1st (like Boston did for Jones) i'd probably do it.

Not in a million years. I know its a business and you have to do what you need to make the team better, but you don't treat legends like that. Quick is going to have his jersey up on the rafters, and is the best goalie in the history of the Kings. I think a trade is a respectable move, and in no way insults a Kings legend. But if we can't trade him, I am okay with having his $5 million on the books as a veteran back up or split 1A/B with Petterson. The best move is to trade Campbell while his value is high. We can't keep both Campbell and Petterson anyway.
 
Not in a million years. I know its a business and you have to do what you need to make the team better, but you don't treat legends like that. Quick is going to have his jersey up on the rafters, and is the best goalie in the history of the Kings. I think a trade is a respectable move, and in no way insults a Kings legend. But if we can't trade him, I am okay with having his $5 million on the books as a veteran back up or split 1A/B with Petterson. The best move is to trade Campbell while his value is high. We can't keep both Campbell and Petterson anyway.

That's why they need to split the net possibly for 2 seasons (if they should extend Jack), to find out who the long-term answer is prior to the expansion. "legends" be damned.
 
I'd buyout Quick (or put him on waivers and send him to Ontario) before doing that. If you aren't getting a lot either way, might as well keep the better asset in Campbell.

EDIT: I'll amend this, if they got a 1st (like Boston did for Jones) i'd probably do it.


I'd put a clause in the deal that says you can't flip him to anyone in the pacific division.
 
Not in a million years. I know its a business and you have to do what you need to make the team better, but you don't treat legends like that. Quick is going to have his jersey up on the rafters, and is the best goalie in the history of the Kings. I think a trade is a respectable move, and in no way insults a Kings legend. But if we can't trade him, I am okay with having his $5 million on the books as a veteran back up or split 1A/B with Petterson. The best move is to trade Campbell while his value is high. We can't keep both Campbell and Petterson anyway.

Exactly. if both are here in 2020 with expansion draft, guess who gonna get nabbed by Seattle, most likely Campbell if he's not protected and has played really well. All that work and money for nothing.
 
That's why they need to split the net possibly for 2 seasons (if they should extend Jack), to find out who the long-term answer is prior to the expansion. "legends" be damned.

It’s not practical to buy out Quick either. He has a long term. The only buy out I see happening is Phaneuf. He is just a waste of space and has a favorable buy out. I think Carter will bounce back and is a good 3C or 1st line winger with Kopitar.

I can’t envision a scenario where we keep Campbell and Petterson.
 
It’s not practical to buy out Quick either. He has a long term. The only buy out I see happening is Phaneuf. He is just a waste of space and has a favorable buy out. I think Carter will bounce back and is a good 3C or 1st line winger with Kopitar.

I can’t envision a scenario where we keep Campbell and Petterson.
Campbell and Peterson are rumored to be the goalie tandem next season.
 
People need to pump the brakes with the Ontario stuff. Heard it with Carter and now with Quick, it's just not going to happen, the Kings aren't going to be seen as that type of team, it would hurt greatly in signing UFA's, and for what, 900k in cap savings? GTHO.

And the Richards situation isn't a comp, the guy was abusing drugs and was 100000x worse on the ice than Carter or Quick have looked this season. Not even Phaneuf has been as bad as he was in 2014-2015.
 
What UFAs? And why would we sign any of them anyway? You want to talk overvalued contracts for aging players...Well, that is pretty much the definition. No different than the mistakes most of you say Lombardi made by signing Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick.

But hey, let's spend 6.5 mil on a 35 year old contract for Kovy. Sounds like the UFA route is the smart way to go. I am sure 15 mil x 10 yrs for Panarin would turn this or any team right around.
 
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People need to pump the brakes with the Ontario stuff. Heard it with Carter and now with Quick, it's just not going to happen, the Kings aren't going to be seen as that type of team, it would hurt greatly in signing UFA's, and for what, 900k in cap savings? GTHO.

And the Richards situation isn't a comp, the guy was abusing drugs and was 100000x worse on the ice than Carter or Quick have looked this season. Not even Phaneuf has been as bad as he was in 2014-2015.

Never said it was actually going to happen (it's not), but I would damn sure rather give Campbell and Petersen the ice than keep Quick around because "legend", they need it more than ever these next 2 seasons prior to the 2021 expansion, it's got nothing to do with how bad someone has or hasn't been in relation to another player, it's time to move on.
 
What UFAs? And why would we sign any of them anyway? You want to talk overvalued contracts for aging players...Well, that is pretty much the definition. No different than the mistakes most of you say Lombardi made by signing Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick.

It's not just UFA's. It's how we would be perceived around the league by players. And for what, 925k in cap savings? There is a reason teams rarely do that, except in extraordinary circumstances like Mike Richards.
 
It's not just UFA's. It's how we would be perceived around the league by players. And for what, 925k in cap savings? There is a reason teams rarely do that, except in extraordinary circumstances like Mike Richards.

I would classify this as just that, 2 younger goaltenders that they need to make decisions on in the not to distant future and a 3rd that's older and only getting worse. Burying Quick would have nothing to do with cap savings, or they can carry 3 and never play him, they could probably get away with it because the AHL affiliate is right down the road and half the team will be waiver exempt anyway.
 
Petersen played great for us, but he didn't play too well down in Ontario. Why not go into next season with Campbell and Quick and give Petersen another year? In 35 games, he had a 4.09 GAA and a .895 SV%. His numbers with the Kings were tremendously better (2.61 GAA, .924 SV%) but that's a pretty big drop in Ontario from last year to this year. If the Kings can find a taker for Quick or a good deal for Campbell, I'd say pull the trigger, but let's not pretend that Petersen is a guaranteed all star or anything.
 
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I would classify this as just that, 2 younger goaltenders that they need to make decisions on in the not to distant future and a 3rd that's older and only getting worse. Burying Quick would have nothing to do with cap savings, or they can carry 3 and never play him, they could probably get away with it because the AHL affiliate is right down the road and half the team will be waiver exempt anyway.

This is not an extraordinary circumstance.

And Quick has been a part of the franchise for 14 years, on the roster for a decade. He is one of the most iconic players in franchise history. Just not going to ever happen. They would buy him out before they ever made him ride busses.
 
It's not just UFA's. It's how we would be perceived around the league by players. And for what, 925k in cap savings? There is a reason teams rarely do that, except in extraordinary circumstances like Mike Richards.

How is that not even worse? You were suggesting a buyout before the drug thing. Consummate leader whose play declined sharply due to a hit to the head. That situation had to look great to UFAs.

If we go the UFA route, sans young players who might have potential, we are simply repeating the same mistakes that saw this team go nowhere. Mercenaries are not the answer. They mostly come for money and the lifestyle.
 
This is not an extraordinary circumstance.

And Quick has been a part of the franchise for 14 years, on the roster for a decade. He is one of the most iconic players in franchise history. Just not going to ever happen. They would buy him out before they ever made him ride busses.

Is that not what I said?
Never said it was actually going to happen (it's not), but I would damn sure rather give Campbell and Petersen the ice than keep Quick around because "legend", they need it more than ever these next 2 seasons prior to the 2021 expansion, it's got nothing to do with how bad someone has or hasn't been in relation to another player, it's time to move on.

I hope they do buy him out if they can't find a taker.
 
Never said it was actually going to happen (it's not), but I would damn sure rather give Campbell and Petersen the ice than keep Quick around because "legend", they need it more than ever these next 2 seasons prior to the 2021 expansion, it's got nothing to do with how bad someone has or hasn't been in relation to another player, it's time to move on.

Why do we need it even more before expansion when if anything we would need to use those two seasons to lose and rebuild? If Quick is declining, then wouldn't he be the better option?

We have to protect him? He does not have a no trade clause so we don't have to protect him.
 
What could we fetch for Petersen I wonder? He was a free asset after all, and if he has the opportunity to start somewhere, could he fetch a late first?
 
The Kings have young guys likely ready to step in.

Luff
Amadio
Are ready for sure.

Kupari
JAD
Need good camps to take a spot.

Vilardi
Needs a new back.

Leipsic
Needs a new contract.

19 pick
If it’s Hughes or Kaako.

Lots of variables but not a lot of open spots.

I hope one of Carter and Toffoli can be traded at the draft. If not, they stay with the team and eat a spot until they hopefully rebuild some trade value.

The only teams I see interested in Quick are Carolina and Columbus. Likely have to trade him at seriously decreased value. Could keep him as a backup and move Campbell.
 
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Glad they realized it now but all of Bluc's moves so far seem to be reactionary as opposed to visionary.

And they'll probably be considered reactionary until...I don't know when. I really can't think of a move that could be made that wouldn't be reacting to this season. Maybe trading Campbell while his value is high, instead of being desperate to get rid of Quick in reaction to Quick's year. If they don't get the 1st pick, and they believe Hughes is a franchise player, maybe trading whatever pick they do get, plus Kupari or someone like that, would be visionary.

You hear things about trading guys like Toffoli, Lewis, Forbort, and maybe Clifford at next years TDL, because they will be UFAs and easier to move. Which makes sense, but if they suck next year, the returns will be 3rd to 7th round picks or scrubs.

That's likely just reality though. You can't force other teams to give you something good. What would any of those 4 have gotten the Kings this year? Clifford is having a good year, for Clifford. But in general, he's a bottom line guy. How much more than a mid round pick would he bring back?

I genuinely believe they just can't stand playing for that **** behind the bench.

They've played like crap since training camp though. A lot of these guys had really good years under Stevens in 17-18, and they looked disinterested in September. He's not good, but this season is not WD's fault. If nothing else, the players earned WD as their coach.

This is how I see it playing out. Campbell is in the same situation Jones was in, playing well but stuck behind the starter. He may have more value than Quick, just move him to the east and keep him away from EDM, or CAL.

And Bernier, and Kuemper, and even Scrivens. However, no reason to limit where Campbell could go. The Kings need as much value as they can get, because so many other players on the roster have such little value for one reason or another.

Campbell and Peterson are rumored to be the goalie tandem next season.

That's the best case scenario, but you have to be able to get rid of Quick first, and the cons outweigh the pros for Quick at the moment. The best pros are that he won the Conn Smythe 7 years ago. Maybe that he kept a dead team from getting embarrassingly swept last year by giving up 5 goals every game.

People need to pump the brakes with the Ontario stuff. Heard it with Carter and now with Quick, it's just not going to happen, the Kings aren't going to be seen as that type of team, it would hurt greatly in signing UFA's, and for what, 900k in cap savings? GTHO.

And the Richards situation isn't a comp, the guy was abusing drugs and was 100000x worse on the ice than Carter or Quick have looked this season. Not even Phaneuf has been as bad as he was in 2014-2015.

Yeah, the league even made the rules so that you don't get much out of trying to stash big contracts in the AHL. Plus Richards even ended up back on the roster, and it was in the middle of a season. Not from the get-go.

I would classify this as just that, 2 younger goaltenders that they need to make decisions on in the not to distant future and a 3rd that's older and only getting worse. Burying Quick would have nothing to do with cap savings, or they can carry 3 and never play him, they could probably get away with it because the AHL affiliate is right down the road and half the team will be waiver exempt anyway.

They won't put Quick in the AHL because of money. They also won't keep him in the press box as the 3rd goalie because of money. If they can't trade him, he will be the #1 to start the season, because of money.

Petersen played great for us, but he didn't play too well down in Ontario. Why not go into next season with Campbell and Quick and give Petersen another year? In 35 games, he had a 4.09 GAA and a .895 SV%. His numbers with the Kings were tremendously better (2.61 GAA, .924 SV%) but that's a pretty big drop in Ontario from last year to this year. If the Kings can find a taker for Quick or a good deal for Campbell, I'd say pull the trigger, but let's not pretend that Petersen is a guaranteed all star or anything.

That's what makes it all complicated. Quick is old with term, Campbell is a UFA after next year, and Petersen is young, but not too young, and already a RFA this summer. Campbell is trying to make up for a lost career, Petersen wants to get his going, and you're selling low on Quick.

What could we fetch for Petersen I wonder? He was a free asset after all, and if he has the opportunity to start somewhere, could he fetch a late first?

He's proven even less than Jones in 2015. He's already older than Varlamov when the Caps traded him. Plus those younger goalies were traded for picks in the following season, and Petersen probably hasn't shown enough for a team to bank on him. Andersen had a couple years in the NHL before the Ducks traded him. So probably not a 1st.
 
If the plan is to rebuild, you're looking at several seasons before you're going to be looking to get into the playoffs. Quick isn't going anywhere unless there's a buyer. Otherwise, he can hold the fort while they re-organize. He has cultural and marketing value. Barring Campbell or Petersen effectively forcing their way into being starters by being exceptional, they will likely stay back ups or even get moved as circumstantially, they're not fitting into the time frame. I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings looked at getting a goalie in the draft(not first round obviously).

Speculation wise, what if Quick decided to hang-em up? Is there a penalty?
 
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The Kings have young guys likely ready to step in.

Luff
Amadio
Are ready for sure.

Kupari
JAD
Need good camps to take a spot.

Vilardi
Needs a new back.

Leipsic
Needs a new contract.

19 pick
If it’s Hughes or Kaako.

Lots of variables but not a lot of open spots.

I hope one of Carter and Toffoli can be traded at the draft. If not, they stay with the team and eat a spot until they hopefully rebuild some trade value.

The only teams I see interested in Quick are Carolina and Columbus. Likely have to trade him at seriously decreased value. Could keep him as a backup and move Campbell.

Good post! And Mikey Anderson is rumored to sign, once UMD wins the NCAA championship again. He's probably the best King defenseman drafted since Doughty and Voynov in 2008.
Amazing poise, hockey sense, and solid at everything...including character and leadership.
I truly believe he's good enough to step in to Drew's left this coming season. Turns 20 next month...but think he's as good as Drew when he stepped in at 18. (may never be as good as Drew, not saying that) Good to know the Kings have some real talent coming on. I watched many of the WJC games and Anderson was as good or better than all of the highly touted / high pick D: Bouchard, Quinn Hughes, Alexyev, Branstrom, Boqvist. Bouchard has already played 8 games in Edm. Mikey looked way better than #1 picks and USA players K'Andre Miller and Samuelsson, for that matter.
 
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