Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

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Depends on Hughes/Vilardi/Kupari.

I know it’s pie in the sky, but I believe those three could change things fast.

Unlikely, but possible.

For the record, I still think LA picks 5th.

Even if, there's the mess of a defense group. It'll be much tougher to fix that than whatever they want to do up front. Doughty will already be 30, and in addition to Phaneuf, there's Forbort, then a former 7th round pick, and a couple undrafted free agents that haven't won full time jobs yet. No sure fire prospects in the minors or junior/college on the backend either. All the talk is about another forward in the draft too. Not that they don't need any and all skill at the forward position. They need everything, they need talent, and Vilardi being a giant question mark only puts the Kings back that much more.

This is a step by step process because they're so far behind everyone. First they have to hit at the draft, whatever pick they get. Then we have to see if Vilardi can even skate. Then we have to see if Kupari can make the team at 19. Then you have to see if JAD can win a spot barely after his 20th birthday. The list just keeps going. Everything is a question mark. There really isn't one solid answer to any question regarding the Kings at the moment.
 
Even if, there's the mess of a defense group. It'll be much tougher to fix that than whatever they want to do up front. Doughty will already be 30, and in addition to Phaneuf, there's Forbort, then a former 7th round pick, and a couple undrafted free agents that haven't won full time jobs yet. No sure fire prospects in the minors or junior/college on the backend either. All the talk is about another forward in the draft too. Not that they don't need any and all skill at the forward position. They need everything, they need talent, and Vilardi being a giant question mark only puts the Kings back that much more.

This is a step by step process because they're so far behind everyone. First they have to hit at the draft, whatever pick they get. Then we have to see if Vilardi can even skate. Then we have to see if Kupari can make the team at 19. Then you have to see if JAD can win a spot barely after his 20th birthday. The list just keeps going. Everything is a question mark. There really isn't one solid answer to any question regarding the Kings at the moment.
I expect Dion to be bought out. The defense is a mess tho. Lots of question marks.
 
I fully expect Tyler Myers to be a King next season.
I don’t think they go through free agency until they are ready to contend.

A Phaneuf buyout coupled with a possible Carter retirement/demotion would eat up space.

Not sure honestly if Carter will be given another shot next year. I don’t think anyone will take on his contract tho.

So many questions. Hard to wait until June 21-October.
 
I fully expect Tyler Myers to be a King next season.

Yeah, I don’t.

Also, I know I’m likely in the minority but, I’m against a Phaneuf buyout. This team is going to be a shit sandwich next year regardless.

Sit down with him at his exit meeting at the end of the year and tell him his expected role next season is to be a guy that’s going to spend roughly half the games as a cheerleader in the press box.

He really is an asset if the tank is on for next year too.

Hold him for one more year and then buy him out.
 
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Yeah, I don’t.

Also, I know I’m likely in the minority but, I’m against a Phaneuf buyout. This team is going to be a **** sandwich next year regardless.

Sit down with him at his exit meeting at the end of the year and tell him his expected role next season is to be a guy that’s going to spend roughly half the games as a cheerleader in the press box.

He really is an asset if the tank is on for next year too.

Hold him for one more year and then buy him out.

I'm not against it, but not necessarily for it either. I get not wanting to pay a guy not to play for you too. If there was a need to get rid of him, ok, but I don't see the rush. The small amount of extra cap space isn't needed to bring anyone else in, and there's no young guy that must be given his spot on the roster. It's likely that no current 24/25 year old in the organization will be around when the Kings are ready to put a decent team on the ice anyway. A guy like Brickley is likely a typical college free agent, in that he's more sizzle than steak. They get talked about because they're free assets, but usually there's a reason they're still free agents who were never drafted.

If this is a proper rebuilding project, letting Phaneuf play out the last 2 years of his deal isn't going to hurt anything. Whoever is going to make up the next core of the Kings, probably isn't on the team today.
 
Even if, there's the mess of a defense group. It'll be much tougher to fix that than whatever they want to do up front. Doughty will already be 30, and in addition to Phaneuf, there's Forbort, then a former 7th round pick, and a couple undrafted free agents that haven't won full time jobs yet. No sure fire prospects in the minors or junior/college on the backend either. All the talk is about another forward in the draft too. Not that they don't need any and all skill at the forward position. They need everything, they need talent, and Vilardi being a giant question mark only puts the Kings back that much more.

This is a step by step process because they're so far behind everyone. First they have to hit at the draft, whatever pick they get. Then we have to see if Vilardi can even skate. Then we have to see if Kupari can make the team at 19. Then you have to see if JAD can win a spot barely after his 20th birthday. The list just keeps going. Everything is a question mark. There really isn't one solid answer to any question regarding the Kings at the moment.

I agree. I think the D is more of a tire fire organizationally than the forwards. Though at least at this point it could be entertaining with a little more offensive pop at F as we have plenty of guys who can skate and move the puck on D. We might just have to try to outscore our problems so it might be ugly but at least it will be a different shade of ugly.

the GOOD news that comes with that is that being bad allows us to stock even more in the pipeline and continue to ride mentor vets to the bottom of the standings until things start to turn around.

the BAD news that comes with that is the Avs are poised to be a powerhouse and we have a generational player in our division along with several young teams that are about 5 years ahead of us timeline-wise. No way we have more nhl ready skill than all the tank teams of the last 5 years, we'd be hard pressed to kick out players that will consistently win matchups vs. McDavid, Pettersson, et. al. for a while, or at least until we land LaFreniere! :naughty:

the HOPE is that other guys will turn it around. I think Drew has too much pride to be a shit sandwich next season, at least. The rest? Not sure.


I fully expect Tyler Myers to be a King next season.

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It's an extremely unpopular opinion, but I think the best option for the Kings is trying to make one more run at it over the next 2-3 years.

They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Everyone wants to blow it up and get younger, but how? They're up against the cap without much wiggle room for the foreseeable future. They're not in the same position as a team like Ottawa was. Ottawa had some attractive pieces (Duchene, Karlsson, Stone on expiring contracts at affordable prices. Hoffman a 30 goal scorer with two years of term at a reasonable price). The Kings have pieces that are more similar to Bobby Ryan and Craig Anderson - old/aging players with basically untradeable contracts. I guess they could go the buyout route, but in that case, the only asset you're gaining is some cap space.

Brown, Carter, Kovalchuk, Phaneuf - no one is taking on any of those contracts. The only one you may be able to move is Kovalchuk if you retain 25-50%. But that's a 35+ contract. You're not getting anything of substance back. You're just trying to dump the player and pick up some cap space.

Kopitar, Doughty, Quick. Still your 3 core building blocks. Still guys who rank pretty high at their respective positions. But the massive contractual obligations to Kopitar and Doughty as they enter their early 30s mean you're not getting proper value if trading them. You're probably going to have to take some "bad money" back if trading one of them anyway. And trading players of that caliber typically involves a distressed sale of some sort. You never get back the prospects you should.

Quick's contract would actually be attractive to other teams if it weren't for serious injury concerns. If healthy, he's a bargain at his current number in his early to mid 30s when you consider what some other goalies are making these days.

The most movable pieces?
Toffoli - lack of foot speed and production, only thing you're getting back is a guy of similar age and similar disappointment needing a fresh start
Martinez - good solid veteran for a contender but won't bring back anything of real substance.
Kempe - not for sale
Forbort - won't bring back anything of substance
Lewis - solid bottom 6 veteran for a contender with speed and PK ability. Worth a 3rd or a conditional 2nd at best maybe?

Most of these guys are coming off bad seasons as well. You're selling low in practically any trade you make.

I'm still convinced this team is not as "bad" as people say they are/as they've played this year. A year ago, this team finished #1 in goals against and made the playoffs. Yeah, they got swept by Vegas (who made it to the Cup final), but all those games were won on razor thin margins. It was a contrast of styles - new age/up tempo/speed vs old school/defense/heavy hockey. A couple of different bounces and maybe that series goes the other way. The conversation isn't "heavy hockey is dead, it's too slow." But instead, "old fashioned heavy/D first hockey still wins when it matters most."

The Kings have always been a team more suited for the playoffs. Their style and composition of their roster has always been more conducive to "playoff hockey" when the games tighten up, there's less space out there, and you're playing continuous OT games where D and goaltending are so imperative.

I think this team has one more run in it with the current core. Bring in a bridge coach that is good with a veteran team and plays a style conducive to winning with this group - defense first. Take a run at it over the next 2-3 years while you continue to re-stock the young talent.

The two coaches that I think would be perfect for this team: Guy Boucher or Bob Hartley. My first choice would be Boucher. Every where he goes his teams in the first year buy-in and overachieve. He is a master at getting immediate results (ECF Game 7 in first seasons in Tampa and Ottawa with teams no one thought that highly of. Similar results in Switzerland.) May not be sustainable but the Kings don't need it to be. We're only looking at a short term window anyway given the age of some of these players.

I can't think of a more perfect fit. This team has the type of players willing to play Boucher's style as well - it's ingrained in them and how they won they're cups. And Boucher would finally have a legitimate # 1 goalie to back stop his teams. Not a 42 year old Dwayne Roloson, AHL caliber Anders Lindback, or fringe NHL starter like Craig Anderson. This team would definitely buy-in and respond to Boucher. They'd have at least one good run to the WCF in them under him IMO.

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Yeah, I don’t.

Also, I know I’m likely in the minority but, I’m against a Phaneuf buyout. This team is going to be a **** sandwich next year regardless.

Sit down with him at his exit meeting at the end of the year and tell him his expected role next season is to be a guy that’s going to spend roughly half the games as a cheerleader in the press box.

He really is an asset if the tank is on for next year too.

Hold him for one more year and then buy him out.

i think there's a possibility that people are failing to see the intangible that allowing such a mentality as "Phaneuf sucking and it's ok" can have a long term negative impact on our young D-core

which is exactly the statement we'd be making by allowing Phaneuf to be on the roster

therefore, we pay the bill (buyout), "learn" from our mistakes, and move on asap

$5m dead cap >>> Active Phaneuf on your roster
 
i think there's a possibility that people are failing to see the intangible that allowing such a mentality as "Phaneuf sucking and it's ok" can have a long term negative impact on our young D-core

which is exactly the statement we'd be making by allowing Phaneuf to be on the roster

therefore, we pay the bill (buyout), "learn" from our mistakes, and move on asap

$5m dead cap >>> Active Phaneuf on your roster

Honestly, if they are effected by a veteran sucking then they probably weren't mentally sound to begin with.

It's a business, and the players should know that. The Kings certainly aren't the only team with a high priced veteran playing at an AHL level.

The Kings are going to be bad next season, Phaneuf really isn't taking the spot of a high end young defenseman and buying him out would hurt the team cap wise in 2-3 years when they actually could be good and need the cap space.

If the young forwards show signs next season that they are ready to challenge for a playoff spot in 2021 that is the time to buy-out Phaneuf.
 
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Honestly, if they are effected by a veteran sucking then they probably weren't mentally sound to begin with.

It's a business, and the players should know that. The Kings certainly aren't the only team with a high priced veteran playing at an AHL level.

The Kings are going to be bad next season, Phaneuf really isn't taking the spot of a high end young defenseman and buying him out would hurt the team cap wise in 2-3 years when they actually could be good and need the cap space.

If the young forwards show signs next season that they are ready to challenge for a playoff spot in 2021 that is the time to buy-out Phaneuf.
It depends. I don’t think LA wants a prolonged rebuild. Kopi and Doughty are still core. They are in their 30s. I’m not sure how bad they will be under a new coach. Lots of moving pieces. The rookies coming in will be factors too. LaDue, Walker, Roy, and Even MacDermid are currently providing more than Dion. Through in Clague to that mix for next year. I think Mikey Anderson is the big wildcard. He seems like a legit prospect. Does he come out early to take a spot? I think Dion is done. I would be ok with a buyout in favor of playing time for others.
 
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Perhaps the ideal situation would for Phaneuf to accept a demotion to Ontario. We get slight cap relief and his contact is done in 2 years. He could mentor younger players there.

But he won’t agree to that. Plus a buyout saves the Kings money and the cap hit in years 3 and 4 is not that much. That’s what’s going to happen. Better than having him as the 7th d-man and certainly better than actually playing him again.
 
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Phaneuf has an NMC so there's no way he'd agree to go to Ontario. I can see the Kings keeping him or buying him out. On one hand I'd prefer the buyout simply because I don't think Phaneuf should be given a spot ahead of some of our young guys. Then again, I'm not sure about sending a bunch rookies out in front of Petsersen is a good idea, not that sending out Phaneuf is much better.
 
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Even if Phaneuf agreed to waive, it would only give about $975k off the cap.

I'm fine with riding out the contract.
 
Haha @Raccoon Jesus I get it but the organization loves him. Wouldnt shock me if hes a bridge player on d for sure.

They've got Doughty, Roy, Walker, and LaDue as RHD. 3 of those 4 are likely bridge players. The chances of the non-Doughty guys being on this team when they're good again are probably slim.

Myers is going to be a 29 year old UFA that plays the right side on defense. He's not looking to be a bridge player. He's going to get paid a lot by a team that wants to win now.
 
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Phaneuf has an NMC so there's no way he'd agree to go to Ontario. I can see the Kings keeping him or buying him out. On one hand I'd prefer the buyout simply because I don't think Phaneuf should be given a spot ahead of some of our young guys. Then again, I'm not sure about sending a bunch rookies out in front of Petsersen is a good idea, not that sending out Phaneuf is much better.

I know cap friendly shows Phaneuf with a NMC, but didn't he have to wave it to come to LA. Which means LA can choose to honor it or not. At this point it would just be a handshake deal between management and Phaneuf
 
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I know cap friendly shows Phaneuf with a NMC, but didn't he have to wave it to come to LA. Which means LA can choose to honor it or not. At this point it would just be a handshake deal between management and Phaneuf

This isn't a video game, even if they have the option to the Kings aren't going to want to be seen as a team that screwed over a 1000+ game highly respected NHL veteran to save 925k on a cap hit. They did it with Richards in 2015, but they were trying to make the playoffs then, and as awful as Phaneuf has been this season, he hasn't yet approached Richards territory (maybe next season).

Phaneuf helps drive the tank and from all indications he is a positive influence in the room, I'm fine with him in LA next season, it's 2020-2021 where I think his presence on the books could do some serious damage.
 
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I know cap friendly shows Phaneuf with a NMC, but didn't he have to wave it to come to LA. Which means LA can choose to honor it or not. At this point it would just be a handshake deal between management and Phaneuf

Not with 2 years left on his contract. They did that with Scuderi back in 16-17, but he had a year left, the Kings portion of his contract was less than the league minimum I think, and Scuderi went back to Pittsburgh for family reasons anyway. He didn't want to go from Pittsburgh, to Chicago, to LA again. They basically said do whatever you want, play a game here or there in Ontario if you want, but we're cool if you just want to hang out, or go home for a few weeks, or whatever. Phaneuf has too many years and too much money owed to him though. In addition to the 1000+ game respected veteran thing, which I would certainly agree is a factor. Along with not wanting to pay NHL money for a guy to do whatever in the AHL. Even for wealthy people and professional sports franchises, at some point that is real money. The owners made a huge deal about the salary cap, because they want to contain labor costs as much as possible.

If Phaneuf isn't bought out, or somehow traded for an equally bad contract, he will be on the Kings roster next year.
 
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