Top 30? In his prime he was top-3 or 5
PK Subban on LA Poche Bleu Podcast
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I think it's all related...it's all a part of it.
I've always said that a big reason why Subban gets a lot of flak was because some people thought he should be more humble and was too "uppity".
PK is such a class act. Absolute confidence in himself without the ego trip. "Men" like MT and MB who build their masculinity around bullying and machismo are typically intimidated by men like PK. It's no wonder the cowards, low balled him and then shipped him out of town. They preached "character" when neither of them had a single drop of it. Better days ahead for sure in Habs land.
I don't know if it's that blatant for a lot of people...I would never accuse someone of being that without any hard evidence.
But there was definitely some level of double standard at play
It's kind of like Lamar Jackson today. I think it's a rite of passage for middle-aged white dudes to call him overrated or say he sucks. Watching him and Henry smack the Bills last Sunday was immensely satisfying given that the Buffalo fanbase keeps hating on him because Allen has no MVP and Lamar has two.
I don't think the person always realizes it but I do think a lot of it is pretty much unconscious racism. Something that a lot of those people would never admit to themselves.
And he still played despicable mind games with DD. He would bring him in his office and give him shit, threatening him of AHL stints, so much so that Pacioretty had to intervene at least once.
Therrien was an abject human being.
you can call it what you want, but that double standard is racism. doesn't mean they're necessarily a horrible person, like @Spring in Fialta just said it can be unconscious bias.
Yeah, I think we can safely stop with the 'Therrien and Desharnais' intense love affair bullshit. Desharnais gave a lot of details about how Therrien made his life absolute hell behind the scenes. Just a gross person.
Well for the record...i'm a middle-aged black dude and I think Lamar Jackson is overrated (which just means rated too highly, not that he's not an amazing player) lol but fair point.
Agreed but I think there's a difference although perhaps, there isn't and/or it shouldn't matter.
1. He absolutely isn't. It's bonkers to think so with how much of an impact he has on opposite defenses without even taking his own production into account.
2. It doesn't change the way he's been spoken about over the course of his career, which you can absolutely tell is about him not playing and speaking (or caring to) how some people expect quarterbacks to play.
I think he's an amazing player, I think he's an overrated Quarterback.
He's an MVP because no one is more dynamic with the ball in his hands, but as a QB, there's 3-4 QBs i'd take over him.
Its a bit of a nuanced take and not meant as a slight whatsoever. I think he's an amazing player and no team depends on a single player more than the Ravens do Lamar Jackson.
Would I take Lamar over
Mahomes or Allen?
Hell no
Agreed...but my commentary is strictly related to his on-field play, nothing to do with what you wrote above.
Love seeing a brother succeed playing the QB position.
Sorry for the thread derail.
I'd take Jackson over Allen personally albeit I wouldn't blink an eye at someone who picked Allen. My rationale is that with Lamar you get the same gamebreaking ability but without the recklessness and the turnovers. Lamar's excellent at taking care of the ball but can still dominate you either with his arms or with his legs. Like, you get a top-5/7 passer but also a guy who can lead the best rushing team in rushing yards and add a bunch of TDs on the ground? And he drives defenses absolutely nuts with the mental stress because there's no real way to cover him per a bunch of players in the league? Yeah, he's him. His 2019 is one of the best NFL seasons of all-time, period.
And yeah, I get it that you are just talking about his on-field play but I was just talking generally. The guy has broken a lot of white people's brains and it's not hard to see why. Especially for a guy who has never gotten in trouble and whose teammates seem to love.
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It always aligned with what I heard about DD and Michou's relationship. They were far from buddies. People had no idea how much le P'ti David disliked Michou.
There was an article years ago on RDS where Desharnais (I think it may have been an interview with CBC?) talked about how if he had a poor game, Therrien wouldn't talk to him. Then like two hours before the next game he'd call him into his office and just obliterate him and talk shit about him. Said it was an awful way to start games, etc.
I know that this board had a pretty gross tendency of trying to tie in his ethnicity to his ice-time but no, Desharnais went through hell with him.
Another aspect of how much MB f***ed the PK situation was he forced the bridge deal on Subban, and then when Subban went out and performed well above expectations on the bridge deal, Bergevin refused to negotiate a fair deal with him.
He was almost angry that Subban played so well he wouldn't be able to low ball him long term.
MB just sucked. Can't believe we let him run this franchise for 10 years.
He was almost angry that Subban played so well he wouldn't be able to low ball him long term.
MB just sucked. Can't believe we let him run this franchise for 10 years.
I was going to comment I don't know how anyone can hate PK but f*** PK is hated.
Give your head a shake people.
Give your head a shake people.
In his absolute peak he was one of the best defender the NHL has seen. What a ridiculous comment to call him a 1B.
That's the thing right? It was like he was pissed he earned his money. Molson stepped over him to get it done and I know that just pissed him off even more, so of course when the Weber trade came up he jumped all over it because he felt like he could reasonably justify getting rid of him.
I will say it before and say it again but I knew when he came back from his holdout and had to play behind Raphael FREAKING Diaz for like 10 games (and still won the Norris in the end), I knew there was more going on than just typical ice time management bs.
I mean 24CH exposed it pretty blatantly.. now I'm reading stuff about how Therrien treated Desharnais, but what we saw on camera with how he treated PK was awful so imagine the stuff that they left on the cutting room floor?
Therrien would absolutely hate a boisterous personality.. then the brand side of thing, add the flare on the ice and ability to score out of his rudimentary system? Now make him black?
Subban is probably the player Therrien hated most in his entire career.
I mean, MT trashed PK on Anti-Chambre every night.
I never had an issue with him forcing PK to take a bridge deal.
But once PK went out and did what he did, MB backed himself into a corner and had to pay up.
The guy took your challenged, surpassed your own expectations.
Except Price has First Nation heritage and we all know that in Canada the First Nations suffer from racism. An argument can be made more so than for black Canadians.
That's the craziest part. They hired a coach who had been trashing their best player every night. I was really hoping PK was going to address that when Lapierre asked him if he felt the organization protected him.
