Empoleon8771
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Gibson has been one of the worst goalies in terms of GSAx in the past 5 years. He's actually just terrible at this point, he's just riding off of a nearly decade old reputation.
Rumor: Pittsburgh will "certainly try" to move Jarry.
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Gibson has been one of the worst goalies in terms of GSAx in the past 5 years. He's actually just terrible at this point, he's just riding off of a nearly decade old reputation.
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Darren McCord
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He's been bad for the last four or five seasons. And Anaheim isn't giving him away either.
But the Ducks are a disgrace, have been for awhile.
I want to see Gibson not on the Ducks before he's deemed finished
Empoleon8771
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Plus they don't want to retain. I genuinely don't see why anyone would want to trade for Gibson.
And you'd be willing to give up premium assets to acquire a goaltender that might bounce back?
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New Jersey opting for Markstrom is all that needs to be said about what Anaheim is asking for. Gibson to New Jersey made too much sense.
Empoleon8771
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I don't think Toronto makes much sense for Jarry anyway, their issue is playoff performance and Jarry's track record there isn't exactly good. Jarry makes more sense for a team like Ottawa or Detroit, who's just desperate for any sort of improvement and would tolerate Jarry's issues if he just performs like he normally does.
I think Toronto may be desperate to get a goalie upgrade, but they're going to make the playoffs regardless of who's in net for them in the regular season. I don't think Jarry has the resume for you to think "he's the missing piece for our playoffs" at all. He's a "we need improvement just to make the playoffs" type of improvement.
I think Toronto may be desperate to get a goalie upgrade, but they're going to make the playoffs regardless of who's in net for them in the regular season. I don't think Jarry has the resume for you to think "he's the missing piece for our playoffs" at all. He's a "we need improvement just to make the playoffs" type of improvement.
Nikishin Go Boom
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What are using to support this mid rating?
He is 30th + in GSAx/60 rate and save percentage. That isn’t very appealing for the 12th highest paid goalie. Even when Ullmark and couple of others get paid more it still isn’t appealing for the 15-18th highest paid goalie.
But the Ducks are still the Ducks they haven't gotten any better in fact they have gotten worse
Empoleon8771
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A goalie with a +0.0 GSAx is by definition average. That's literally what the stat is measuring, how well a goalie performs relative to the average goalie based on the shots they're facing.
That's exactly what his JFresh chart says too:
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I don’t even consider “average” to be a real starting goalie in today’s NHL. There’s like 10 goalies in the league you can safely predict will start and finish next season as their team’s undisputed starter.
Watch Gibson play. There is no upside with an aging goalie who has played 4 of the past 5 seasons below league average.
Nikishin Go Boom
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I understand but he is 32nd gsax per 60. 0 gsax isn’t average its statistically agnostic. There is a difference. Again you don’t pay a guy over 5 million to be statistically agnostic. So no he isn’t an average starter. You also don’t pay the 12th highest goalie to in the 17th percentile in the league for excellent starts. He is just a vanilla guy who you paying a lot for
I don't see the urgency to yeet Jarry that some people seem to have. I don't expect a King's ransom for him or anything, but I'd sooner keep him than take a bad contract just to be rid of him.
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Empoleon8771
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Go look at what other teams are paying for their goalies, then. Spoiler alert: a ton of teams are paying $5 million for far worse results than Jarry gives. Of goalies making $4 million or more, all of Korpisalo, Knight (demoted to the AHL), Husso, Campbell, Petersen, Kuemper, Merzlikins, Grubauer and Gibson had worse years than Jarry last year. Hell, even Vasilevskiy had a worse year than Jarry last year.
Again, the reality is that goaltending in the NHL today is just ass so "consistently mediocre results" with Jarry is actually solid for goalie standards. It's not "Jarry is good", it's "NHL goaltending sucks so a goalie with Jarry's issues is still far better than what a lot of teams have".
Nikishin Go Boom
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He is the 12th highest goalie aav
Only 2 ahead of him finished worse in GSAx, merz and gibson.
Vas, shesterkin, helley, markstrom etc all finished higher than him.
Murray and price didn’t start
Man that is a ton of teams
Empoleon8771
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Yeah I think a good example of "consistently average" was Penguins era Fleury. People constantly shat on Fleury for not being anything special, but being able to put up a league average performance over 60 games a year every year is legitimately valuable. Goaltending as a whole is so voodoo that getting that level of consistency year to year is valuable, even if the total results are middling.
I'm pretty adamant that Jarry is a super mid goalie with some major flaws, but "consistently mid goalie with some major flaws" is legitimately better than what a lot of teams have in net. Just as a few examples, look at what happened with Minnesota, New Jersey and Ottawa last year. Guys who were terrific in 2022-2023 were just heinously awful in 2023-2024, and that had a huge factor in sinking their seasons. On the flip side, teams like Calgary and LA got huge boosts from their bad performing goalies in 2022-2023 having great performances in 2023-2024.
