Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: A New Error?
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lol at bloated contract comment, but agreed otherwise. I think the biggest reason so move Dumo is that his value in the market is likely higher than his value to the Pens.
The LHD situation is pretty interesting. You have 5 legit NHL Guys, 3 of them make decent money.
The argument for trading each:
POJ- None... cheap and good move along.
Riikola- easy to move if your just interested in moving a body out. Otherwise cheap depyh thats worth keeping.
Matheson- highest risk contract. Also has untapped upside. If your willing to give leeway about a new player on a new team with little time to prepare (camp) has showed the ability to help this team. Yes he has had a couple of big bloopers while adjusting but hes helping drive play and has limited his biggest weakness historically (turnovers).
Pettersson- solid defenseman on a solid contract. He doesn't play a flashy game and therefore doesn't create surplus value on his contract. Would likely bring a solid return that can fill a need old school hockey trade style.
Dumo - he is you best guy right now and likely for the next couple years. He's on a steal of a contract. BUT he’s 29 and doesn't have a lot of room for physical decline built into his game. He will likely play well enough to still be seeking a sizable deal with term at 31 which we should be looking to avoid. He also likely could bring back the best return. Hard to pinpoint what that would be though.
Pros and cons for each depending on your proclivity for risk.
Trading Dumo is the riskiest but has the highest reward. Pettersson less on both and Matheson is the least risky but also offers almost zero reward.
The argument for trading each:
POJ- None... cheap and good move along.
Riikola- easy to move if your just interested in moving a body out. Otherwise cheap depyh thats worth keeping.
Matheson- highest risk contract. Also has untapped upside. If your willing to give leeway about a new player on a new team with little time to prepare (camp) has showed the ability to help this team. Yes he has had a couple of big bloopers while adjusting but hes helping drive play and has limited his biggest weakness historically (turnovers).
Pettersson- solid defenseman on a solid contract. He doesn't play a flashy game and therefore doesn't create surplus value on his contract. Would likely bring a solid return that can fill a need old school hockey trade style.
Dumo - he is you best guy right now and likely for the next couple years. He's on a steal of a contract. BUT he’s 29 and doesn't have a lot of room for physical decline built into his game. He will likely play well enough to still be seeking a sizable deal with term at 31 which we should be looking to avoid. He also likely could bring back the best return. Hard to pinpoint what that would be though.
Pros and cons for each depending on your proclivity for risk.
Trading Dumo is the riskiest but has the highest reward. Pettersson less on both and Matheson is the least risky but also offers almost zero reward.
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It’s maddening that people can’t see the difference between the MM situation and Schultz/Nisky.
Also, at what point do we stop talking about the Niskanen trade to defend awful decisions in 2020/2021?
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Hey cool pick him up and add him to the "utterly mediocre with a large pricetag" pile we have going, here.
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I would prefer not to trade Petts, I wasn't a fan last year but he's been steady this year and he's younger. If we're going to retool on the fly it doesn't make sense to trade him.
I understand that Dumo has the resume, but those LBIs are concerning to me since he's looked horrible since coming back from them. Some GM will definitely overpay for him, and I would prefer to maximize our assets for him. It may bite us in the ass, but who has a crystal ball...packaging him with Zucker could get you a really nice top 6 winger
I understand that Dumo has the resume, but those LBIs are concerning to me since he's looked horrible since coming back from them. Some GM will definitely overpay for him, and I would prefer to maximize our assets for him. It may bite us in the ass, but who has a crystal ball...packaging him with Zucker could get you a really nice top 6 winger
Just a question: is it possible that the Pens are starting Jarry to showcase him as part of a possible trade for Gibson?
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how do you know that? We have a pretty old school PHOP ..maybe he wants ANA to get a good look at Jarry...because if left to his own devices, I don’t think Sully would be playing Jarry today..I’m sure he values his job and CDS has been playing better...
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Again what did I say that contradicted any of that? I never said it was tradable and in fact never mentioned trading Matheson at all. So do you read before quoting people?
If you look at my posts on this issue I said this trade is a boom or bust type trade and if Matheson can turn his career around like Niskanen and Schultz did then it turns out a good trade. I never said it was the same risk wise compared to getting them. Just that both those defensman had been considered terrible with Niskanen as a add in to get Neal and Schultz having all the fan bases laughing at us saying he was the worst defensman in the NHL. I believe Matheson has the skills to work with and can be a productive 2nd pairing defensman if he can gel with this team. Obviously it comes with a risk or you don't get a 26 year old defensman with his skill for an overpaid mid 30's winger than played 3rd line hockey on his team the past couple years. Obviously risky but I think Matheson can work out fine. Time will tell and after his first game he has been fairly solid in my opinion.
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lol... why in the world would Sullivan be concerned at all about his job?
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Pens would have to add a LOT to Jarry to get Gibson...like, a LOT a lot.
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Niskanen wasn’t terrible. He was having a down season points wise but his advanced stats in Dallas were always good and was only 24 on a cheap deal. We needed to get another D man.
Schultz was bad because Edmonton played him as their #1 D man one of the worst teams in hockey. He was always talented and everyone else seemed to know not to play him as a #1 D man except Edmonton
Jarry, Pettersson and Legare
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Gibson and Rowney (upgrade on Jankowski, also a RH center, some physicality, mostly make the cap even in the trade)
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Penguins not targeting Fleury, says Vegas
Depending on who you want to believe, the Pittsburgh Penguins either reached out to the Vegas Golden Knights about bringing back Marc-Andre Fleury or they didn’t.
In the off-season Penguins then-GM Jim Rutherford inquired about re-acquiring Fleury from the Golden Knights. Obviously, those attempts didn’t work out as Vegas had no interest in retaining any salary. On Wednesday night, The Bobfather, Bob McKenzie reported on NBCSN then interim-GM Patrik Allvin made an offer to acquire Fleury during his brief stint in that role.
While there’s no reason to ever place any doubt in McKenzie’s reporting, the Golden Knights are fully denying this took place. Personally, I’m sure some kind of discussion occurred. But a high-ranking Vegas source told me the incident in question never happened and Fleury isn’t being moved back to Pittsburgh.
And to squash other talk that’s floated around in recent weeks, Fleury isn’t being dealt to the Buffalo Sabres or New Jersey Devils, either.
‘Flower’ has been outstanding in net for the Knights this season; he is 6-1-0 with a 1.58 goals-against-average, a .934 save percentage and one shutout in seven games. Those are Vezina-campaign numbers. Even with Robin Lehner in the fold, I can’t imagine Vegas wants to move one of the hottest goalies in the NHL right now.
Could Pittsburgh address their goaltending position elsewhere? Possibly. But I suspect GM Ron Hextall will first try to bolster that blueline.
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Depending on who you want to believe, the Pittsburgh Penguins either reached out to the Vegas Golden Knights about bringing back Marc-Andre Fleury or they didn’t.
In the off-season Penguins then-GM Jim Rutherford inquired about re-acquiring Fleury from the Golden Knights. Obviously, those attempts didn’t work out as Vegas had no interest in retaining any salary. On Wednesday night, The Bobfather, Bob McKenzie reported on NBCSN then interim-GM Patrik Allvin made an offer to acquire Fleury during his brief stint in that role.
While there’s no reason to ever place any doubt in McKenzie’s reporting, the Golden Knights are fully denying this took place. Personally, I’m sure some kind of discussion occurred. But a high-ranking Vegas source told me the incident in question never happened and Fleury isn’t being moved back to Pittsburgh.
And to squash other talk that’s floated around in recent weeks, Fleury isn’t being dealt to the Buffalo Sabres or New Jersey Devils, either.
‘Flower’ has been outstanding in net for the Knights this season; he is 6-1-0 with a 1.58 goals-against-average, a .934 save percentage and one shutout in seven games. Those are Vezina-campaign numbers. Even with Robin Lehner in the fold, I can’t imagine Vegas wants to move one of the hottest goalies in the NHL right now.
Could Pittsburgh address their goaltending position elsewhere? Possibly. But I suspect GM Ron Hextall will first try to bolster that blueline.
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Because my god , Dan Kingerski, tells me the Pens are exploring trading for Gibson...ok?
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I said this in the off-season and as much as I really like Dumo, that has the potential to be a disaster if he falls off. I think we need to look to the Whitney trade here as a template of what to do - trade an expendable dman for an impact forward...before his wheels fall off.
I think there are a couple teams in need of a top 4, top pairing capable dman on a decent contract.
Going full long pants:
McCann to CGY for Bennett
Sceviour and ZAR to CGY for Lucic, who has a NMC and must be protected in the ExpD
Zucker and Dumoulin to EDM for RNH and Kassian
That's loooooong pants. Long, LONG pants. Bell bottoms even. Which fits Burke and Hextall's era. Groovy.
That same "maddening" you feel is how A LOT of people on this board feel reading your posts. At what point do you stop bitching about this team? If it's so maddening, leave and never come back.
Disagree, if you have a guy you want to trade and have interested parties, you need that player to play so scouts can see. You don't want them basing decisions on old game footage if he was benched for bad play.
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