Proposal: Pittsburgh - Edmonton

[Empoleon8771]

Kap has the higher cap hit and the extra year, He’s a cap dump.

If Oilers were dealing Jesse they’d take whatever pick they could get and the cap space. At least with Jesse they have the option to walk away from him at years end if they want or try to re sign him at a reduced aav. Can’t do that with Kapanen.

How is Kapanen a cap dump but Puljujarvi isn't?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

How is Kapanen a cap dump but Puljujarvi isn't?

I didn’t say Jesse is not a cap dump, only that teams would likely be more amenable to giving up a late pick for the younger, cheaper player who they could walk away from at the end of the year if they wanted.

Kapanen’s extra year is the killer here that makes him a definite cap dump.

 

[jonlin]

So what's the reason Pittsburgh is adding a 2nd, let alone anything, again?

Pure potential and RFA vs UFA. Also Kapanen has one extra year at 3.2M. Peguins can either resign Puljujärvi or walk away if he doesnt fit.

 

[SEALBound]

I don’t know what team would be willing to do that just like you don’t know. But I think it’s logical that teams would be more willing to do that with the younger player who’s only under contract this season. That’s my only point. With Jesse there’s options, you can test drive him for this year and still hold his rights so you could walk away and not qualify him, you could try and re sign him at a much smaller cap hit or you could try to sell him to another gm for whatever you can get to try and recoup the likely low pick you gave up.

With Kapanen there’s only one option, pay him 3.2M this year and next or pay someone to take him off your hands.

If a team thinks Puljujarvi will bonk, why even bother then? It's the same argument for Kapanen. I mean, the extra year is a factor but it bodes well if Kapanen improves with a new team - the entire reason for a swap. It's not a 4yr contact at a high hit or anything.

 

[spaghtti]

I don't see why Edmonton does this deal without the 2nd round pick involved.

As mentioned previously rfa vs Ufa, higher cap hit. Is kapenen any faster than Puljujärvi?
Is Kapenen's game away from the puck any better than Puljujärvi?

I'd rather keep Puljujärvi

 

[ManofSteel55]

Make it a 4th or later instead of a 2nd and sure

Pens are taking on the uncertainty of resigning Puljujarvi given his high qualifying offer

The Oilers are taking the certainty of having Kapanen for an extra year. I'd rather have the cap flexibility this summer and just not qualify JP.

 

[biturbo19]

I could see it as a straight swap, without the pick involved. But even then, i guess there's a chance things "click" better, but more likely you're just swapping the name on the back of the jersey of the RH shooting winger who frustrates the fanbase.

 

[Jerkbait]

Pure potential and RFA vs UFA. Also Kapanen has one extra year at 3.2M. Peguins can either resign Puljujärvi or walk away if he doesnt fit.

Both players are cap dumps . Both are pretty disappointing in current roles and unlikely to change with a similar team . Sullivan is not a fan of Kapanen and that's obvious. The 2nd pick from pitt is too much to pay for someone to take him.

 

[PensandCaps]

Easily do this with a later pick like a 4th.

Unlike Kap, Pool can play good defense, use his size to do something.

But honestly i don't see why any team would want Kap. He's useless and has another year. Puljujarvi atleast doesn't have negative value and can play decent defensive hockey in a bottom six role.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I still think it's one for one. Kapanen has at least proven in the past to be a decent player.

I see it as the Jost for Sturm deal. No picks needed.

 

[jonlin]

But honestly i don't see why any team would want Kap. He's useless and has another year

He wasnt useless when played with Malkin 2yrs back. He looked really good. I`d argue a change of scenario could actually suit both players.

 

[Merc29]

Tell you what, you can have Kap at no charge.. don’t even need to offer a bag of pucks. Don’t even want Puljujarvi.. all yours. I’m sure he’ll do great things.

GMJR thinks highly of him if that helps your decision, moved him with a 1st then traded a 1st to get him back!

 

[StIvany4Norris]

My POV is each player is essentially worthless at the moment, but not necessarily a cap dump

A team with cap space like Arizona would probably take either for free, or very little as payment for taking them on, so don’t view the 2nd as reasonable

 

[spaghtti]

Tell you what, you can have Kap at no charge.. don’t even need to offer a bag of pucks. Don’t even want Puljujarvi.. all yours. I’m sure he’ll do great things.

GMJR thinks highly of him if that helps your decision, moved him with a 1st then traded a 1st to get him back!

Shouldn't Vancouver be your trade target than and not the Oilers

 

[Jerkbait]

He wasnt useless when played with Malkin 2yrs back. He looked really good. I`d argue a change of scenario could actually suit both players.

Kapanen be never found any consistency while in Pittsburgh. He had tiny flashes playing with malkin ans Carter but they never materialized. Sullivan isn't a fan and he has no confidence left

 

[Macheteops]

Adding a 2nd is more value then Pulju is worth. He has zero potential left in him

One for one is likely fair but if Kapanen has an extra year no thanks. I guess that's where the 2nd offsets it some

I'd do it just to rid the Oilers of Pulju and recoup a pick. I m sure Kapanen is garbage but maybe he finds some chemistry with someone

I don't see why the Pens would do it

 

[Homesick]

I'd rather just walk away from Puljujarvi this summer than be stuck with Kapanen next season. The Oilers shouldn't be focused on picks at this stage

 

[66-30-33]

Yeah no. JR pays a 1st to trade for this bum only for us to trade him AND a 2nd for another bum. It will be 1 for 1 or no dice.

 

[Jerkbait]

Yeah no. JR pays a 1st to trade for this bum only for us to trade him AND a 2nd for another bum. It will be 1 for 1 or no dice.

Well in JR defense, he was coming off a very good year in Toronto with loads of potential. It was hextall who put pitt in this mess....I do agree its a waive or a one for one deal . Paying to dump kapanen is a dumb move but its hextall so who knows
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[SomeDude]

Well in JR defense, he was coming off a very good year in Toronto with loads of potential. It was hextall who put pitt in this mess....I do agree its a waive or a one for one deal . Paying to dump kapanen is a dumb move but its hextall so who knows
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There is really no defense for JR paying a 1st for Kapanen since everyone in the world knew Toronto was in cap hell and had to make a move.

Most GMs would have gotten him a lot cheaper given the circumstances.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Hard no for Edmonton. Don’t want the extra year on Kapanen deal.

 

[Jerkbait]

There is really no defense for JR paying a 1st for Kapanen since everyone in the world knew Toronto was in cap hell and had to make a move.

Most GMs would have gotten him a lot cheaper given the circumstances.

Kapanen was in demand . Speedy young winger coming off a good season with plenty of goals . Make no mistake there were multiple offers for Kapanen then.

What there is no excuse for is hextall/Burke...
They put Pittsburgh in this situation now with a ridiculous offer. That could be the worst signing of the year next to Jack Campbell

 

[snipes]

Done

 

[Roof Daddy]

Can’t say this trade makes sense for us. If we’re calling the Pens, I’m hoping it’s to discuss Dumoulin. That of course would only be around the trade deadline and IF the Pens are out of a playoff spot.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

If a team thinks Puljujarvi will bonk, why even bother then? It's the same argument for Kapanen. I mean, the extra year is a factor but it bodes well if Kapanen improves with a new team - t entire reason for a swap. It's not a 4yr contact at a high hit or anything.

Well then I’d say it’s reasonable that the Oilers would prefer to keep the devil they know, who happens to be younger and who they’re not saddled to for another year if he doesn’t start trending in the right direction. If Jesse doesn’t find his footing this year they can walk away and use that very valuable cap towards a player who’s more of a sure thing instead of taking a pretty big gamble on a guy like Kapanen. Or they could put that cap space towards a defender or they could split it up and potentially bring in a couple depth players, or have the cap space to not be so hindered in making other trades. While with Kapanen they’d basically be putting all their chips on one number on the roulette table. Crosby, Sullivan and the Pens have consistently been able to elevate players games throughout the years and if they couldn’t do it with Kapanen I think it’s unlikely the Oilers could fair any better.
I can understand Pens wanting a 1 for 1 deal but the extra year on Kapanens deal is a big factor in the current cap climate and Edmonton would be foolish to take on that risk.

If this trade happened I think it’s more likely the Pens could make a decent player out of Jesse while Oilers wouldn’t be able to get more out of Kapanen then the Pens could and they’d be stuck with him for another year. Unless they’re getting something decent for that extra year of cap, they’re better off keeping Jesse, giving him the rest of the year to turn things around and either trying to re-sign him cheap or cutting bait and allocating that cap elsewhere.