McKenzie: Pittsburgh doesn't want to put Condon on waivers; may trade him

[Empoleon8771]

No, it's probably that the Penguins want the flexibility of having 3 NHL goalies, so if one of them gets hurt, they wouldn't at all be in an unfavorable situation. They could also possibly trade Fleury and run with Condon as the backup.

 

[WesMcCauley]

No, it's probably that the Penguins want the flexibility of having 3 NHL goalies, so if one of them gets hurt, they wouldn't at all be in an unfavorable situation. They could also possibly trade Fleury and run with Condon as the backup.

This is what im thinking. If Pens trade Fleury, keeping Condon is the thing to do.

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

No, it's probably that the Penguins want the flexibility of having 3 NHL goalies, so if one of them gets hurt, they wouldn't at all be in an unfavorable situation. They could also possibly trade Fleury and run with Condon as the backup.

I guess that's the reason. They may not be sure about Murray yet though.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Pittsburgh doesn't want to put Condon back on waivers BECAUSE Montreal gets first chance to reclaim him....

No other teams except the Pens put a claim in for Condon....So if Pens don't trade him and put him on waivers,Montreal can reclaim Condon which i think they would do .

I believe they are still subject to priority, but are the only team who can stash him in the AHL without waivers.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Probably just want to make sure Murray is back at 100% before doing anything really, then when Murray is in nets and playing as the #1, that's when JR will have to make a decision.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Boston could use Condon if Rask is not back soon, offer McQuaid for him tough physical bottom pairing D.

Money would have to be going back Boston's way. Don't see that being done

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

No, it's probably that the Penguins want the flexibility of having 3 NHL goalies, so if one of them gets hurt, they wouldn't at all be in an unfavorable situation. They could also possibly trade Fleury and run with Condon as the backup.

This is what im thinking. If Pens trade Fleury, keeping Condon is the thing to do.

I still think that is JR's plan, but he simply wants to make sure MM is completely healed and ready to take over

 

[Uncle Gary]

He hasn't even started a game for the Pens it looks like.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

So they'll risk only having 1 extra forward and 1 extra defenseman on long road trips so they can keep a marginal 3rd string goalie around? I really don't understand why they would do this.

1 spare forward and 1 spare defender is what the Penguins typically carry. It's been a long time since the Penguins have carried a full 23-man roster with regularity.

 

[bbfan419]

Money would have to be going back Boston's way. Don't see that being done

Would you take Jimmy Hayes instead of McQuaid? He makes a little less money around 2.3 I think.

 

[Dying Alive]

Would you take Jimmy Hayes instead of McQuaid? He makes a little less money around 2.3 I think.

They can't take back any additional salary, they're too tight to the cap.

This has to be some kind of maneuvering related to the expansion draft situation.

 

[mouser]

Pittsburgh doesn't want to put Condon back on waivers BECAUSE Montreal gets first chance to reclaim him....

No other teams except the Pens put a claim in for Condon....So if Pens don't trade him and put him on waivers,Montreal can reclaim Condon which i think they would do .

Montreal does not get the first chance to claim him on waivers. This is one of those misunderstandings that just won't die.

As the rule you quoted states, Montreal has a special ability to send Condon if they are the only team to submit a waiver claim for him. But Montreal has no special priority in the waiver order.

""Once a team claims a player from waivers, it may not trade that player unless it first offers him to any other teams who made waiver claims for him."

So they'd only have to offer Condon to the other teams that put in claims (none) and not the team they claimed him from (Montreal)? And at that point he's tradeable?

If that's how it works, then it makes sense that they can trade him now. He's been offered to the (zero) teams that put in claims.

Glad to finally learn exactly how it works.

Also, the rule is the team has to offer the player to the other teams that submitted claims "on the same terms". Which means they need to offer the player for his waiver claim price, can't ask for picks or other compensation.

 

[OCPenguin]

In other words they're going to try and trade him to the Kings. But Budaj is 4-0. They'll nab him off waivers if need be.

If you think the Kings are the only team in need of a goalie, you are sadly mistake. I see a few others.

 

[hototogisu]

Sounds like the Pens want what Montreal wanted.

Now that there's been some injuries they'll probably have a better chance of getting something back for him.

On the other hand, maybe teams will just wait it out until the Pens are forced to do it, which is kind of what I imagine Pittsburgh did when Montreal was presumably shopping him.

 

[capebretoncanadien]

He's not very good he wouldn't fetch much of a return if anything at all.

 

[The Old Master]

So they'll risk only having 1 extra forward and 1 extra defenseman on long road trips so they can keep a marginal 3rd string goalie around? I really don't understand why they would do this.

jets can fly fast.

 

[THall4]

Heard on Sportsnet during the Oilers/Caps intermission that Boston expressed interest in claiming Condon if he was placed on waivers.

Why would JR waive him if he knows Boston wants him and can potentially give up an asset for him rather than give him away for free?

 

[Benji Frank]

I can't see any team trading for the guy when he was on waivers and made it to the last team on the priority list. That means no team wants him even for free except maybe Montreal since they are the ones that had him originally

I can't see why Bob would report such a thing as news

He was waived before LA Boston and Buffalo started having goalie issues. Not only those teams, but any team possibly looking at trading with LA (Anaheim? Wpg?) would be interested in a cheap guy with experience like Condon right now.

 

[domiwroze]

They might try to trade Fleury instead, that's why they want to keep condon so bad.

 

[SomeDude]

Simply a case of supply and demand. If Condon were to be waived today, there would likely be at least 2 claims (LA and BOS). Rutherford is just trying to pry a free asset away from one of them.

If they were to trade Fleury, I have a feeling they'd be looking for a more established backup than Mike Condon. Rutherford has stated many times he plans on running with MAF and Murray as it gives them the best chance to win. He'll worry about the expansion draft when the season is over.

 

[bbfan419]

Simply a case of supply and demand. If Condon were to be waived today, there would likely be at least 2 claims (LA and BOS). Rutherford is just trying to pry a free asset away from one of them.

If they were to trade Fleury, I have a feeling they'd be looking for a more established backup than Mike Condon. Rutherford has stated many times he plans on running with MAF and Murray as it gives them the best chance to win. He'll worry about the expansion draft when the season is over.

I think the Pens would be ok with Condon backing up Murray, if they do trade MAF say to a team like Dallas, of course a team like the Stars may want to include Lehtonen going the other way in a such a deal.

As for the Bruins they probably would claim Condon as would LA, most I would offer though from the Bruins would be a late pick 6th or 7th rounder and a B prospect like a Colton Hargrove type, unless they somehow open some space for someone like Hayes or McQuaid, but they probably take the late pick and low level prospect.

 

[SUBdrewgANS]

Yeah **** that, Zatkoff might be returning soon and Budaj is holding his own. No need to unnecessarily give up assets...

you really want to put your fate in the hands of Zatkoff?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

you really want to put your fate in the hands of Zatkoff?

No, but why TRADE for Condon when you have two similar goalies already? He doesn't represent any significant upgrade. An upgrade at all is arguable.

I guess that's been my point since earlier--I don't know if Rutherford thinks this way, but a lot of posters are treating the situation like Rutherford is holding Boston/LA by the balls and just waiting for them to crack when we're talking about Mike ****ing Condon. Pretty much just like all the other "x goalie to LA" threads, but with the crappiest G of the bunch.

 

[Trolfoli]

No, but why TRADE for Condon when you have two similar goalies already? He doesn't represent any significant upgrade. An upgrade at all is arguable.

I guess that's been my point since earlier--I don't know if Rutherford thinks this way, but a lot of posters are treating the situation like Rutherford is holding Boston/LA by the balls and just waiting for them to crack when we're talking about Mike ****ing Condon. Pretty much just like all the other "x goalie to LA" threads, but with the crappiest G of the bunch.

I don't know man. Isn't Mason's GAA over 3 and his SV% under 0.900 on the year?

 

[madinsomniac]

Pens are keeping him cause tgey are planning on trading maf or nurray perhaps