Proposal: Pitt-Dal-Tor 3 way

[Riptide]

Oh i don't believe in Kari all that much . I think post-conccussion MAF will be barely any better and adding the 1 year with MAF is sizeable risk.

Sure thing bud.

 

[Riptide]

there are people that think the earth is flat....so be it.....no sense to try and change their minds (and I use that word loosely.) maf is every bit as good as bishop (just check the sats) and is going to be much cheaper. its going to be fun next yr. looking at all the teams that could of had maf but are stuck with what the have, and what they had to pay for it.

More importantly, only has 3 years on his contract - Bishop wants 7x7m.

 

[T_Cage]

I didn't think it was mathematically possible for all 3 teams to lose a trade.....but congratulations HF boards for continuing to surprise and awe :p

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

Nobody actually said that. And if anybody actually did then they clearly had no sense about anything ever

I clearly recall Beau B. being the next big thing in Pittsburgh that would fetch a huge haul... it is a shame it didnt work out with him but you can't deny Pitts regarded him as a sure bet a couple years ago.


on a side note the leafs do not even think of doing this deal JVR is criminally underrated while in a Leafs jersey

 

[Brock Radunske]

No real interest from this Leafs fan. We don't need more picks right now and Sprong would get lost in the prospect depth chart for wingers in TO

 

[serp]

Sure thing bud.

Its a bigger risk than standing pat with Lehtonen and next year buying him out. You may trust MAF but i have zero confidence . Never liked him all that much to begin with and at 32 and with a concussion i want no part of him.

 

[wej20]

I clearly recall Beau B. being the next big thing in Pittsburgh that would fetch a huge haul... it is a shame it didnt work out with him but you can't deny Pitts regarded him as a sure bet a couple years ago.


on a side note the leafs do not even think of doing this deal JVR is criminally underrated while in a Leafs jersey

Probably more to do with lack of young wingers made Bennett untradeable.

 

[Pyrophorus]

1. Picks are good, but we're not in a tank mode, to get rid of someone who will help this upcoming season.

2. Will anyone include a RHD in their proposals to us?

 

[Riptide]

I clearly recall Beau B. being the next big thing in Pittsburgh that would fetch a huge haul... it is a shame it didnt work out with him but you can't deny Pitts regarded him as a sure bet a couple years ago.

No, but when you look at the forward prospect depth PIT had, and how well Bennett played when he did play, it's not really surprising. I mean the kid was 6-2 and skilled, and that showed when he played. Every single fan loves prospects like that. And no it wasn't that he'd fetch a huge haul - it was that he was so valuable to Pittsburgh that it would take a haul to acquire him. When you only have 1 skilled offensive winger prospect, it would cost you dearly to acquire him.

Unfortunately for Pittsburgh and Bennett, he just couldn't stay healthy. He also didn't produce a ton... this is the weird part. When you watched him, you were like damn he's impressive. And when he was playing, you'd think that for several games in a row - then look at the stat sheet and see he had zero points.

That said I think it was a mistake moving him for what they did (a 3rd, 77th). If they were going to trade him, trading him for someone in a similar situation would probably have made more sense, but whatever. I think Bennett will be fine, and if he can stay healthy for 60+ games, New Jersey (and everyone else) will see exactly how good he can be. Because if that happens, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he played at a 50+ pt pace.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

The trade is great for Pittsburgh, pretty good for Dallas, but I don't get why Toronto would do this. Adding a forward prospect and future picks doesn't seem to help them out at all. They already have those things.

 

[Shady Machine]

Giving up a first is not worth the difference between MAF and Lehtonen and gaining an extra year of MAF contract

I guess you don't view MAF as a legit starting goalie then. His extra term is an asset, not a detriment. Dallas needs to move a goalie to get a goalie and they are going to have to pay someone a hefty price to dump Lehtonen's contract. I don't think Lehtonen sucks or anything, but it's clearly not working out in Dallas and he's expensive for what he is.

 

[Shady Machine]

Its a bigger risk than standing pat with Lehtonen and next year buying him out. You may trust MAF but i have zero confidence . Never liked him all that much to begin with and at 32 and with a concussion i want no part of him.

It's really not better to buy him out because you kind of still need to pay for a starter. Niemi at 4.5MM plus new starter at 5+ MM (that's what they cost) + buyout of Lehtonen's contract kinda blows. You don't like MAF so I get it.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

I guess you don't view MAF as a legit starting goalie then. His extra term is an asset, not a detriment. Dallas needs to move a goalie to get a goalie and they are going to have to pay someone a hefty price to dump Lehtonen's contract. I don't think Lehtonen sucks or anything, but it's clearly not working out in Dallas and he's expensive for what he is.

It's really not better to buy him out because you kind of still need to pay for a starter. Niemi at 4.5MM plus new starter at 5+ MM (that's what they cost) + buyout of Lehtonen's contract kinda blows. You don't like MAF so I get it.

No, Kari definitely does suck, of that much I'm sure. And it is definitely better to buy him out at the end of next season. If we can't send him back as a cap dump, $3.33 million in dead money is still better than $5.9 million of Kari.

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Regarding risk with the Fleury contract, of course there's risk, potentially a lot. Big money non-elite goalies above thirty have never been a safe investment. Anyone who doesn't realize this by now just hasn't been paying attention.

Fleury could very well be the next catastrophic goaltending contract, it's certainly not the most probably situation to play out, but you have to acknowledge the risk. That's why even 3 years of term should be cause to pause.

Having said that, a risk of a catastrophic situation is still infinitely better than the certainty of a catastrophic situation the Stars are currently in. That's why as a Stars fan, I'm still very interested in looking at Fleury.

 

[Dave Karp]

I think it's a bad trade for all three teams but Pittsburgh does the best in my estimation but they're giving up a decent chunk for JVR and Lehtonen's horrid contract.

As a Stars fan, it's an easy 'no' for me.

 

[Halla]

I doubt the leafs move JVR for a small winger prospect, pick 25-30 and pick 55-60.

they need a top 4 dman with upside if they are moving JVR.
Pouliot plus picks would make more sense