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By my count that’s Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Kessel and now Guentzel making over or at 6 mil...missing anyone?
Confirmed Signing with Link: [PIT] Pens re-sign Guentzel (5 years, $6M AAV)
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AustonsNostrils
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I'd take Guentzel over Nylander because he's proven he's a playoff performer, Nylander is soft.
Most underrated Penguin. Great price tag - Guentzel is legit, making that 2005 Markus Naslund dollar.
Empoleon8771
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Nylander over the sample size for which Guentzel has been in the NHL has 355:13 in PP TOI. Guentzel is at 275:15, with Guentzel playing in a few more games. Nylander also gets way better players on his powerplay units than Guentzel does. If my knowledge about how the Leafs have deployed their PP units is accurate, they have had 2 split units, they don't load up their top unit like the Penguins do.
Guentzel is on a powerplay unit with guys like Maatta, Simon, Rust and Schultz. Nylander's most common PP linemates? Matthews, with Matthews playing 90% of Nylander. From what I can tell, Nylander's common powerplay linemates have been Matthews, Gardiner and Marner.
Empoleon8771
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So Larkin is better because he entered the NHL earlier? Sounds like a solid argument.
WingsMJN2965
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Cool story bro. Now go look at their zone starts and you can figure out how much of Larkin's extra TOI is spent shutting down the opposing team's top line.
Babcock was literally making a point of deliberately not putting Matthews out against Larkin.
WingsMJN2965
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Heh, I'm done de-railing this thread. I'd be much more content with the poll results. I'll put it up since you wont.
Empoleon8771
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Cool story bro. Now go look at their zone starts and you can figure out how much of Larkin's extra TOI is spent shutting down the opposing team's top line.
Babcock was literally making a point of deliberately not putting Matthews out against Larkin.
You are aware the Penguins use Crosby's line against the top competition of other teams, right? That's not a Detroit team, literally a ton of teams use their 1st lines that way.
No I think your misguided.
Jake guentzel career ppg =.72
Nylander career ppg =.70.
Playoff ppg?
Nylander=.61
Guentzel=1.13 (one of the highest in recent history)
Guentzel hasn't hit 60 cause he didn't play enough games. He would have in his rookie year and will blow that out this year.
Pretty obvious who is better. Im not sure how his contract makes Nylander look better if he's already set to make 1m LESS than Nylander. Not to mention I forgot that Nylander plays with some scrub named Matthews. Silly leaf fans.
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Judas effect
What the heck are you talking about? Guentzel played a full year last year...what’s this nonsense about not enough games to hit 60 haha and then you mention Matthews while never mentioning Crosby at all. Great spin.
Mark Letestu’s playoff PPG was better than McDavid’s when the Oilers made a run...is Letestu better than McDavid haha
Some risk, due to the “Crosby effect” making mediocre wingers look great... until they don’t have Crosby as their centre.
However he is young and has looked great this year, so there is also the chance he really outperforms this contract.
A bit of a high-risk, high reward contract, but for the information we have right now the AAV seems fair for the Penguins.
However he is young and has looked great this year, so there is also the chance he really outperforms this contract.
A bit of a high-risk, high reward contract, but for the information we have right now the AAV seems fair for the Penguins.
This shit is just so damn annoying. No other fan base does this here (then wonders why people dislike them).
Anyway - seems like a fair deal for both sides.
I don’t think Nylander is that much better or worse. It’s likely that Guentzel works harder than Nylander and Nylander coasts on his talent.
Issue with Nylander is that he doesn’t have the motor/drive like elite players out there. Apparently he is already whining about wanting to play with Matthews.
I don’t want to turn this thread into one about a Nylander Guentzel comparison thread. It’s a great deal and Pens fans should be excited.
Sidney the Kidney
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You seem to think random posters' opinions on HF have more validity about determining who is a better player than two people who are engaged in that discussion actually articulating their points would. The flaw in that thinking is right in this thread.
How many posters who rarely even watch the Pens are convinced Guentzel is "a product of Crosby"? How many of those posters do you think would even bother putting in an ounce of time to evaluate his game before voting for the player who isn't "a product of Crosby"?
I'm not even saying Guentzel IS better than Larkin. But using a HF poll where most fans who don't follow the Pens believe Guentzel's basically a third liner without Crosby isn't exactly going to be a neutral measurement.
It’s one or two people.
You ignore the rest of the fanbase who posted before hand, and then paint the entire fanbase with the same brush.
Nice term for both sides. Lower risk for Pitts, but gives Guentzel the opportunity to sign another good deal after that one.
Because you give the one or two people the exact reaction they want, and ignore the others who make regular posts.
WingsMJN2965
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I wonder if the, "People who rarely watch Guentzel" argument could be the reason you don't get why Larkin is better.
By the way, I'm not saying Guentzel would be bad without Crosby... He's just not on Larkin's level.
"one or two people" Even you must know how much of bull- err....
Naah.. I won't continue this discussions as it's off-topic.
What I'm curious is how does Pitt's cap handle this? Brassard and Sheahan probably walk as UFA. It does leave very little cap space even after those two if I'm reading NHLNumbers correctly.
Darren McCord
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Man laughable is a bad word choice. I think they are comparable players. Larkin is younger than Guentzel and put up 63 on a terrible Detroit team. He also has 36 pts in 38 games as their number 1 center.
I think this contract is good and Guentzel is a great player but they are definitely in a Similar tier.
Darren McCord
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I think if the pens miss out on the playoffs or have an early exit kessel will be moved out this summer.
