Confirmed Trade: [PIT/ANA] Rickard Rakell (@65%) for Zach Aston-Reese, Dominik Simon, Calle Clang, and 2022 2nd round pick

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Good to know, the PK which was Top 5 in the league has been heavily effected with losing Deslauriers, Lindholm, and Manson. Silfverberg is also out injured. I also see he led Pittsburgh with 187 hits, that is good to know also. Ducks need more defense from their forwards. They are scoring goals this year but with the depleted D, need more defense from the forwards.

For what it's worth, ZAR's "hits" are more rub outs. If you're picturing someone who is consistently going out there and plastering opposition defensemen with bone jarring hits that wear them down over the course of the game, that's not what he does. He'll finish his checks, but they're about as punishing as gently guiding a player toward the boards and then pinning them there.
 
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Why would Pittsburgh need a player like Rakell, i think that's the question.
Who is he supposed to replace, would be the second question.

Last 4 games ice time : 20:18 | 19:13 | 19:13 | 21: 27

Pens gonna give him those minutes?

Has gotten about 19 mins avg per game this season

Drop his minutes to 15 or 16 mins in avg
or if he gets 3rd line minutes.

He won't be scoring much with those minutes.
 

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For what it's worth, ZAR's "hits" are more rub outs. If you're picturing someone who is consistently going out there and plastering opposition defensemen with bone jarring hits that wear them down over the course of the game, that's not what he does. He'll finish his checks, but they're about as punishing as gently guiding a player toward the boards and then pinning them there.

Can he win puck battles?
 

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For what it's worth, ZAR's "hits" are more rub outs. If you're picturing someone who is consistently going out there and plastering opposition defensemen with bone jarring hits that wear them down over the course of the game, that's not what he does. He'll finish his checks, but they're about as punishing as gently guiding a player toward the boards and then pinning them there.

Speaking of rub outs. ZAR is gone.
 
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Can he win puck battles?

Sure. But I was just talking about the hit stat and how it's kind of misleading if you're interpreting that to mean he's some sort of punishing hitter that defensemen will have to keep their head up for when he's on the ice.
 

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Why would Pittsburgh need a player like Rakell, i think that's the question.
Who is he supposed to replace, would be the second question.

Last 4 games ice time : 20:18 | 19:13 | 19:13 | 21: 27

Pens gonna give him those minutes?

Has gotten about 19 mins avg per game this season

Drop his minutes to 15 or 16 mins in avg
or if he gets 3rd line minutes.

He won't be scoring much with those minutes.

Before the trade we only had 2 top six forwards. He is going to get lots of ice time. Erod gets 17 mins almost. Rakell will get 17min and he averages 18min on the Ducks.

He might lose a min avg but thats it.
 

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For what it's worth, ZAR's "hits" are more rub outs. If you're picturing someone who is consistently going out there and plastering opposition defensemen with bone jarring hits that wear them down over the course of the game, that's not what he does. He'll finish his checks, but they're about as punishing as gently guiding a player toward the boards and then pinning them there.

Occasionally he'll put a good hit on someone and it is like, if you did that once a game then everyone would love you.
 

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Yeah, ZAR has great defensive analytics. Dude is an adv stat darling. No one here is arguing that. The problem is, he is currently providing zero offense and is making $1.75mil on a team that was capped out. He was the clear target to move in a deal to bring in a new player that would be more helpful to the top 6. The trade-off of "what Rakell will provide the top 6" vs "what we lose in 4th line defense from ZAR" is an easy gamble for Hextall give that we have Boyle, McGinn, DOC, Angello, etc.

When trades happen, players have to fly both ways. The FO thought Rakell would bring more to the team than ZAR. I agree. A lot of us agree. It doesn't mean ZAR is a bad player or person. It just means he's not bringing what the team currently needs at the moment. If the guy was on a 20-25g pace, he'd be here still.


Hell if he was a 15g pace, he'd still be here. The issue is that he's a 5g pace. That's very replaceable.
 
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I'll be shocked if ZAR becomes nothing more than a footnote for EITHER Pittsburgh or Anaheim when either team looks back on his tenure with them.

He's a defensively responsible, zero offense 4th liner. That's it. He's not, and never will be, someone a team will "miss" or someone that will cause the fortunes of a team to go downward after he leaves.
 

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So Ducks fans, have you speculated at all about what kind of extension Rakell could be looking at or heard anything regarding that? Hextall said that he wanted to discuss an extension with Rakell when the time made sense, which lines up with him allegedly wanting to acquire a top-6er with term instead of a rental. It appears the Penguins would be interested with bringing him back, I'm just not sure what number that would come in at.

I was assuming something like 4 years at $4 million, but I don't know if that's low.
 

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Why would Pittsburgh need a player like Rakell, i think that's the question.
Who is he supposed to replace, would be the second question.

Last 4 games ice time : 20:18 | 19:13 | 19:13 | 21: 27

Pens gonna give him those minutes?

Has gotten about 19 mins avg per game this season

Drop his minutes to 15 or 16 mins in avg
or if he gets 3rd line minutes.

He won't be scoring much with those minutes.
2nd line LW or RW.

Neither Kapanen' nor Zucker have been a good fit with Malkin, and until Rust was put on his RW a couple games ago (which isn't likely to continue) his wingers were Rodrigues and Heinen. Rakell is a considerable upgrade on either.
 

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So Ducks fans, have you speculated at all about what kind of extension Rakell could be looking at or heard anything regarding that? Hextall said that he wanted to discuss an extension with Rakell when the time made sense, which lines up with him allegedly wanting to acquire a top-6er with term instead of a rental. It appears the Penguins would be interested with bringing him back, I'm just not sure what number that would come in at.

I was assuming something like 4 years at $4 million, but I don't know if that's low.
4-6 and 6 being super generous. His last two seasons really bit himIn the butt , but if he can parlay it to the ducks being bad and him pointing to his back to back 30 goal seasons when Getslaf was a star then who knows
 
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4-6 and 6 being super generous. His last two seasons really bit himIn the butt , but if he can parlay it to the ducks being bad and him pointing to his back to back 30 goal seasons when Getslaf was a star then who knows
I could see him extending with Pitt short term on a 'prove it' contract to boost his value playing beside Crosby or Malkin before signing the big deal.
 

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I could see him extending with Pitt short term on a 'prove it' contract to boost his value playing beside Crosby or Malkin before signing the big deal.

Maybe... but that's risky. His career earnings are only ~24 million. Deduct his taxes and other expenses, and I doubt he has much more then 6-8 million in the bank. A "prove it" type contract, while could be very lucrative... could also back fire significantly if things don't work out - and Pittsburgh has the depth that if he's not on his game, that they can easily shuffle him down. And unless Rust misses some time or doesn't get signed, Rakell might not even see PP1 - that too will be a hit to his production. He'd likely be better off taking a 2-3 yr deal that keeps him in his early 30s (next season will be his 29 yr season) while still getting him some coin vs singing a 4-5 yr deal unless the number is closer to 5m, as that deal would take him closer to 35 where it'll be harder to get that long term contract. 4 years would be his 32 yr old season and 5 years would be his 33 yr old season. Makes the contract after this one interesting and more challenging. Unless he's getting a long term offer (and I doubt it unless he excels), I think he is going to have to be thinking of the next contract (after the one he'll sign this summer) just as much as he'll think about the upcoming contract.

It'll be interesting to see how PIT works the cap this summer. Gotta think that Zucker is gone unless he goes on a tear once he's back. Likely one of MP or Mathesson as well - MP would be my guess. But even if Malkin and Letang sign decent team friendly contracts, they still have Kapanen, Heinen, Rust, Rakell and Rodigues to sign (although I'd probably let ERod walk). They currently have ~30m in cap space for next season, Malkin and Letang are likely to take up ~half of that (give or take a little). That's not much money to sign those 4 without moving out other salary.
 

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Maybe... but that's risky. His career earnings are only ~24 million. Deduct his taxes and other expenses, and I doubt he has much more then 6-8 million in the bank. A "prove it" type contract, while could be very lucrative... could also back fire significantly if things don't work out - and Pittsburgh has the depth that if he's not on his game, that they can easily shuffle him down. And unless Rust misses some time or doesn't get signed, Rakell might not even see PP1 - that too will be a hit to his production. He'd likely be better off taking a 2-3 yr deal that keeps him in his early 30s (next season will be his 29 yr season) while still getting him some coin vs singing a 4-5 yr deal unless the number is closer to 5m, as that deal would take him closer to 35 where it'll be harder to get that long term contract. 4 years would be his 32 yr old season and 5 years would be his 33 yr old season. Makes the contract after this one interesting and more challenging. Unless he's getting a long term offer (and I doubt it unless he excels), I think he is going to have to be thinking of the next contract (after the one he'll sign this summer) just as much as he'll think about the upcoming contract.

It'll be interesting to see how PIT works the cap this summer. Gotta think that Zucker is gone unless he goes on a tear once he's back. Likely one of MP or Mathesson as well - MP would be my guess. But even if Malkin and Letang sign decent team friendly contracts, they still have Kapanen, Heinen, Rust, Rakell and Rodigues to sign (although I'd probably let ERod walk). They currently have ~30m in cap space for next season, Malkin and Letang are likely to take up ~half of that (give or take a little). That's not much money to sign those 4 without moving out other salary.

Erod and Heien will be gone unless they take 1mill or less. Kap won't get a huge bump if any raise. Depends how the season finishes.

Zohorna is on a one way deal and Sullivan said DOC is an NHL player.

The bottom 6 is set.
Zucker - Carter - Zohorna
DOC - TB - McGinn

Theoretically you could move Petts and have POJ or Friedman then have around 31 mil in cap space.

Geno at 7.5
Letang at 7.5
Rust at 6
Rakell at 4.5
Kap at 3.5
DeSmith at 1.5

Jake - Sid - Rust
Rakell - Geno - Kap
Zucker - Carter - Zorhona
DOC - TB - McGinn

Dumo - Letang
Matheson - Marino
Friedman - Ruh
POJ

Jarry
Desmith

Would be tight but its possible to keep everyone if you move Petts. If you move Zucker you hav plenty to go around.
 

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....tight but its possible to keep everyone if you move Petts. If you move Zucker you hav plenty to go around.

Yeah, this is what I have been saying for the longest time. And it's a good thing that we actually have young forwards who have been marinating for a while, because I am completely comfortable with guys like Zohorna and DOC being regulars, and there are a few other meaningful options. At least for the regular season.

The notion that we should care that e.g. Rust will be too expensive in 5 years is just beyond me with how he has been for the last years. If he signs for 6 million long term, he will be very likely to be full value and more for the years that matter. He has 148 points in his last 153 games over three seasons. 70 goals.
 

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Yeah, this is what I have been saying for the longest time. And it's a good thing that we actually have young forwards who have been marinating for a while, because I am completely comfortable with guys like Zohorna and DOC being regulars, and there are a few other meaningful options. At least for the regular season.

The notion that we should care that e.g. Rust will be too expensive in 5 years is just beyond me with how he has been for the last years. If he signs for 6 million long term, he will be very likely to be full value and more for the years that matter. He has 148 points in his last 153 games over three seasons. 70 goals.
I think the Guentzel contract is about perfect for Rust.

He'd have to take a bit of a discount in today's market, but he's also got it pretty f***ing good here. You're playing with one of Crosby or Malkin every time you step on the ice, the team makes the playoffs every year...
 

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There was a piece with Brian Burke today talking about how Rakell had some digestive issues which led to his poor play over the past couple of seasons, but they have been addressed and they are expecting him to continue his rebound in a big way in Pittsburgh. Not sure if anyone has posted the piece but it was in Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver today.
 

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Maybe... but that's risky. His career earnings are only ~24 million. Deduct his taxes and other expenses, and I doubt he has much more then 6-8 million in the bank. A "prove it" type contract, while could be very lucrative... could also back fire significantly if things don't work out - and Pittsburgh has the depth that if he's not on his game, that they can easily shuffle him down. And unless Rust misses some time or doesn't get signed, Rakell might not even see PP1 - that too will be a hit to his production. He'd likely be better off taking a 2-3 yr deal that keeps him in his early 30s (next season will be his 29 yr season) while still getting him some coin vs singing a 4-5 yr deal unless the number is closer to 5m, as that deal would take him closer to 35 where it'll be harder to get that long term contract. 4 years would be his 32 yr old season and 5 years would be his 33 yr old season. Makes the contract after this one interesting and more challenging. Unless he's getting a long term offer (and I doubt it unless he excels), I think he is going to have to be thinking of the next contract (after the one he'll sign this summer) just as much as he'll think about the upcoming contract.

It'll be interesting to see how PIT works the cap this summer. Gotta think that Zucker is gone unless he goes on a tear once he's back. Likely one of MP or Mathesson as well - MP would be my guess. But even if Malkin and Letang sign decent team friendly contracts, they still have Kapanen, Heinen, Rust, Rakell and Rodigues to sign (although I'd probably let ERod walk). They currently have ~30m in cap space for next season, Malkin and Letang are likely to take up ~half of that (give or take a little). That's not much money to sign those 4 without moving out other salary.

I think you're right. Aftet making that post I read Burke's comment about how Rakell has been struggling with dietary and health issues over the past few years (explains the sluggishness and apparent lack of motivation in recent years). He's gotta just take all the money he can get if he's having health issues, on top of the other points you made.
 
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