Wattsburgh
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OT: Pirates Talk: That Skenes guy is okay at teh baseball
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"You're a boring old man"
I think DJ was fair in his take on Cherington (not liking him) while accepting that he's greatly hamstrung by Nutting/MLB, which every person needs to accept as fact before casting blame.
I still maintain that Shelton is the biggest issue at the ML level if we're talking non-players. When we hired Hurdle, he had a track record. There was some winning along the way, at the ML level. Shelton was a nobody, in the grand scheme. We could have canned him 2 offseasons ago and made a real push at Bochy. Probably wasn't even considered and if it was, Nutting/MLB shot it down because "financial". And despite having an abysmal record over half a decade, he's still employed.
Cherington is a WS winner and the following WS won by Boston was largely done with players he brought in. That's a hellova big gap between he and Shelton.
Cherington, and I'll admit I've soured on him (still less so than others given his shackles) has done a largely fantastic job with the pitching development. Almost completely the opposite on the offensive side of things. And at the end of the day, he hired Shelton and obviously feels a strong attachment. Regardless, Shelton has not proven a damn thing in 5 years. Numerous managers have been canned, on big and small market teams with better resumes over that time frame. So why not here?
BC's been quite inconsistent with player swaps. Same story in FA, though that will happen given you're always scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel and he's made some of those budget players work.
I appreciate a quick jump out of the gate, trying to add to the offense, even if I have my reservations about the trade itself.
I shudder to think what we'll get back if Jones or Keller are dealt and the news that payroll won't increase a dime, even with Skenes, just further cements we are not witnessing a serious org.
I still maintain that Shelton is the biggest issue at the ML level if we're talking non-players. When we hired Hurdle, he had a track record. There was some winning along the way, at the ML level. Shelton was a nobody, in the grand scheme. We could have canned him 2 offseasons ago and made a real push at Bochy. Probably wasn't even considered and if it was, Nutting/MLB shot it down because "financial". And despite having an abysmal record over half a decade, he's still employed.
Cherington is a WS winner and the following WS won by Boston was largely done with players he brought in. That's a hellova big gap between he and Shelton.
Cherington, and I'll admit I've soured on him (still less so than others given his shackles) has done a largely fantastic job with the pitching development. Almost completely the opposite on the offensive side of things. And at the end of the day, he hired Shelton and obviously feels a strong attachment. Regardless, Shelton has not proven a damn thing in 5 years. Numerous managers have been canned, on big and small market teams with better resumes over that time frame. So why not here?
BC's been quite inconsistent with player swaps. Same story in FA, though that will happen given you're always scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel and he's made some of those budget players work.
I appreciate a quick jump out of the gate, trying to add to the offense, even if I have my reservations about the trade itself.
I shudder to think what we'll get back if Jones or Keller are dealt and the news that payroll won't increase a dime, even with Skenes, just further cements we are not witnessing a serious org.
BusinessGoose
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At least we got some new blood as hitting coach and someone new with the pitching staff
Shelton 4D chess'd himself into a few wins... And a ton of losses, last year
But I'm not quite sure if it matters he's here if our guys have some better strategy behind the plate...
Shelton 4D chess'd himself into a few wins... And a ton of losses, last year
But I'm not quite sure if it matters he's here if our guys have some better strategy behind the plate...
Wattsburgh
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Do you guys think we will ever see a Salary Cap in our lifetime? I mean people have to be tired of seeing the same teams buy World Series every FA.
BusinessGoose
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Emmanuel Valdez, Buccos problems are solved.
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Pirates Acquire Enmanuel Valdez
The Pirates and Red Sox announced a trade that will see infielder Enmanuel Valdez head to Pittsburgh in exchange for …
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Coastal Kev
There will be "I told you so's" Bet on it
Only the smaller markets which are in the majority could force one, but they haven't. Why not? Because they invested millions and are making billions.
It's no longer a sport, over half of the teams first interest is maximizing profit, with the Pirates being the most transparent with their intentions.
Goalie_Bob
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Emmanuel Valdez, Buccos problems are solved.
Pirates Acquire Enmanuel Valdez
The Pirates and Red Sox announced a trade that will see infielder Enmanuel Valdez head to Pittsburgh in exchange for …
Another f***ing infielder.
Empoleon8771
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This isn't even close to what Valdez is.
He's a power hitter that is awful defensively. He was once a good prospect and the Pirates are getting him as a sort of Joe/Olivares reclamation project. Skeptical it pans out but he has a .475 SLG in the minors, so it's a worthwhile gamble.
It will probably be more like Olivares than Joe, but if they can get a useful bench bat/pinch hitter out of him, I'll be happy.
