OT: Pirates Talk: That Skenes guy is okay at teh baseball
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Randy Butternubs
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Mind boggling. Important thing is, he convinced them he is worth it. Uncle Sam is going to love the $75 million signing bonus.
The Metropolitans can void the opt out.
$800 million possibility lol. I think Nutting just had a mini stroke.
Randy Butternubs
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The deal lol. I've watched less and less since The Slide. Might total a handful of games if you add up all the parts of games I watch.
The days of enjoying The Hitman, Cobra, The Hammer, Mad Dog, etc up to van Slyke etc has slowly eroded by the ownership situations.
BusinessGoose
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True, but that is the risk with free agency. Someone with his profile, you know you are going big on term and total value so it is only a question of how big.
BusinessGoose
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We will never know the feeling of going after or even getting talent like soto here
But
$5,800/hour for EVERY hour of EVERY day for the next 15 years is insane lol
But
$5,800/hour for EVERY hour of EVERY day for the next 15 years is insane lol
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Empoleon8771
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The Soto deal shows that the MLB is fundamentally broken. The Severino deal shows that Nutting is just a cheap bastard and this team will have to win in spite of him.
Imagine the Happy Endings Deshaun Watson could have with that bankroll.
If his shoulder is healthy, I would say go for Ha-Seong Kim although doubts could also potentially make him cheaper. He has been solidly above average at SS for the Padres for a few years.
I would take a flyer on someone like Buehler since Bieber has already signed. High upside if even most of his stuff returns.
If the Pirates want to go cheap, I'd rather go with injury doubts with upside potential than mediocrity or worse.
I would take a flyer on someone like Buehler since Bieber has already signed. High upside if even most of his stuff returns.
If the Pirates want to go cheap, I'd rather go with injury doubts with upside potential than mediocrity or worse.
Sasaki got posted so he will likely wait until after 1/15 so he can be part of the 2025 international pool.
For comparison, Ohtani signed for 2.3M in December 2016 then had 3 seasons of league minimum, arb 1 3M, arb 2 5.5M, and arb 3 30M.
Who is the last big signing from Latin America for the Pirates? Peanuts for a potential #1 and I would give him all of the international pool money.
For comparison, Ohtani signed for 2.3M in December 2016 then had 3 seasons of league minimum, arb 1 3M, arb 2 5.5M, and arb 3 30M.
Who is the last big signing from Latin America for the Pirates? Peanuts for a potential #1 and I would give him all of the international pool money.
BusinessGoose
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It's also funny that owners won't shell out a billion for a ballpark but will do almost that much for one player
It's never enough for you is it? So spoiled!
- Sit idly by while all the elite talent get stupid wealthy.
- Sit idly some more while really good talent set themselves up for life.
- Sit idly by while the best of the rest settle for scraps.
- Pounce on the leftovers looking for a bone.
Empoleon8771
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A couple of musings about some potential moves.
I think Hayes to Seattle actually makes a lot of sense on paper. The Mariners are also a pretty cheap organization and I figure they would view Hayes' contract very favorably, since he's both pretty cheap and cost controlled. It would largely depend on whether they think they can get more out of his bat, but the Mariners are also not getting good value out of their infielders offensively. The Mariners have a good bullpen, so I'd be shooting for Hayes for a bullpen arm and see if they can get that done.
I've mentioned wanting to look at a SS, but looking through the FA list it's pretty barren. DeJong is an interesting target for me because he's a power hitting SS that actually has good SS defense, but his issue is that he's downright atrocious at making contact. I'd probably bet on him putting up 15-20 HRs but still only having about an 85 OPS+, but 15-20 HRs with good SS defense seems worth the addition. Especially because it moves IKF to 3B, where his defense is actually plus caliber. DeJong at SS and IKF at 3B with Yorke and Triolo getting regular reps seems like something I can get behind.
The thing that sucks about this FA class is that there aren't a lot of good 1B or corner OF options that I actually like and are in the Pirates price range. I'd like to add 2 lefty bats, either 2 OFers and move Reynolds to 1B or 1 OF and 1 1B and keep Reynolds in the OF until Yorke is fully ready. Kepler is one guy I want and I really hope he's one of the lefty bats they add, but the list gets pretty grim after that. I think signing Verdugo to a 1 year deal and Kepler to a multi-year deal is the best option there, that would have Reynolds moving to 1B and Yorke taking Verdugo's spot in LF at some point. But I'm super lukewarm on that idea because I'm not a huge fan of Verdugo.
That said, if they give both Kepler and Verdugo a 3 year, $30 million deal to lock up their corner OFers for the next 3 years, I wouldn't exactly complain.
I think Hayes to Seattle actually makes a lot of sense on paper. The Mariners are also a pretty cheap organization and I figure they would view Hayes' contract very favorably, since he's both pretty cheap and cost controlled. It would largely depend on whether they think they can get more out of his bat, but the Mariners are also not getting good value out of their infielders offensively. The Mariners have a good bullpen, so I'd be shooting for Hayes for a bullpen arm and see if they can get that done.
I've mentioned wanting to look at a SS, but looking through the FA list it's pretty barren. DeJong is an interesting target for me because he's a power hitting SS that actually has good SS defense, but his issue is that he's downright atrocious at making contact. I'd probably bet on him putting up 15-20 HRs but still only having about an 85 OPS+, but 15-20 HRs with good SS defense seems worth the addition. Especially because it moves IKF to 3B, where his defense is actually plus caliber. DeJong at SS and IKF at 3B with Yorke and Triolo getting regular reps seems like something I can get behind.
The thing that sucks about this FA class is that there aren't a lot of good 1B or corner OF options that I actually like and are in the Pirates price range. I'd like to add 2 lefty bats, either 2 OFers and move Reynolds to 1B or 1 OF and 1 1B and keep Reynolds in the OF until Yorke is fully ready. Kepler is one guy I want and I really hope he's one of the lefty bats they add, but the list gets pretty grim after that. I think signing Verdugo to a 1 year deal and Kepler to a multi-year deal is the best option there, that would have Reynolds moving to 1B and Yorke taking Verdugo's spot in LF at some point. But I'm super lukewarm on that idea because I'm not a huge fan of Verdugo.
That said, if they give both Kepler and Verdugo a 3 year, $30 million deal to lock up their corner OFers for the next 3 years, I wouldn't exactly complain.
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BusinessGoose
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Adames at SS and Cruz into OF could have been interesting, but not sure about the contract SF went with for him
Empoleon8771
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Interesting name I keep seeing being thrown out: Triston Casas. The Red Sox are allegedly moving Devers to 1B due to his bad defense and they already have Yoshida at DH. Not sure where that leaves Casas.
Swapping Hayes for Casas would be a really good move if Cherington went after it.
Swapping Hayes for Casas would be a really good move if Cherington went after it.
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Moving Keller for a bat would be a wise explore. If there is one place we're bursting with young talent, it's SP and we need f***ing offense.
A plus is trading Keller frees up coin to at least theoretically offer something to Skenes.
As Emp said, moving Hayes is another move that should be considered.
A plus is trading Keller frees up coin to at least theoretically offer something to Skenes.
As Emp said, moving Hayes is another move that should be considered.
ChaosAgent
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I feel like it would take Jones to get Casas. But Jones has more value than Casas so maybe Jones + Hayes (negative value given contract) gets it done.
Hayes + Jones for Casas + say, Luis Perales would be nice.
I am interested in Keller's value as well. Another year in which the guy turned out to be the middest of the mid of the mid in terms of results and mainly did ok just by not getting injured is not exactly inspiring. The guy is almost 29. There isn't another gear, and Oviedo/Ortiz are both better prospects IMO.
BusinessGoose
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Hayes is actively hurting the team
Almost as much as carrying Cutch at DH is handcuffing options.. But Hayes doesn't even have the goodwill of the fanbase
Almost as much as carrying Cutch at DH is handcuffing options.. But Hayes doesn't even have the goodwill of the fanbase
Empoleon8771
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I don’t think Casas has nearly that value tbh.
I think Ortiz for Casas is closer to what Casas’ value is. I’d do that deal most likely but I don’t like giving up Ortiz.
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ChaosAgent
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I kinda think he does. Look at what we were willing to move for Rooker.
Doesn't Casas A) play a position well defensively and B) have 4 years of arb control?
I banged this drum most of last year, but I don't see what makes Jones a better bet than Ortiz per se. I think Jones both broke out and get pretty heavily overrated at the same time. I think at this point everyone agrees that we'd rather trade Jones than Chandler at least.
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