OT: Pirates Talk: Lets Play Ball

[bigdaddyk88]

The biggest problem is that with the way the pace of seasons work, Cherington basically can't be fired until August or so. It's not possible to install a new leadership team in time for the draft and trade deadline.

This is where I think things can are headed from bad to worse. The draft seems relatively separate from things, and if Cherington is strongly in charge, he has garnered a lot of praise for the talent acquired anyways. But he cannot make trades where MLB talent is sent out and prospects are acquired to save his life, and surely the logical next step here is that guys like Keller and Reynolds are on the chopping block.

I guess either him or some replacement could cut a path where things are consolidated around Skenes/Chandler/Jones/Harrington and Cruz/???(Termarr?), (Trade acquisitions), but what we are looking at with sober eyes is a team that is effectively a 100-loss talent without too much of a cupboard of talent and absolutely no willingness to invest in free agency. It's grim no matter which way you look at it, which is why I think Shelton rightfully being fired is ultimately just a blip.

The only positive thing I can think to say about it is that it cuts out an excuse for when the team is still really bad and/or too buried for anything to matter.

He doesn’t draft well he can’t trade he can’t sign anyone with the budget he is given there’s no reason to keep him around.
He had 20 million off the books with chapman and his other guys he signed gone and got 1 4 million dollar bat. Pham for Taylor

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Well, good riddance

This is going to be a 120 loss season though

O would not be surprised if Jones and Skenes are shutdown and they will definitely limit the starters in the minors innings. It might be worse than that

 

[cookthebooks]

i otoh would not be surprised if they just lost a lot of games and there were no dark backstage machinations around player control because the team just stinks on normal inept parameters

 

[DJ Spinoza]

Is he good at drafting? He hasn't produced a single decent hitter through the draft in his years here. I am fine with letting someone else be in charge of the draft. I definitely don't want Cherington in charge of any trades.

He doesn’t draft well he can’t trade he can’t sign anyone with the budget he is given there’s no reason to keep him around.
He had 20 million off the books with chapman and his other guys he signed gone and got 1 4 million dollar bat. Pham for Taylor

It's hard to say for certain but he probably does not do more than manage the draft. The drafts have generally produced a good amount of talent, but it's development which has never been improved (and this was singled out as the area he would improve when he was hired).

Generally speaking, the drafts have gotten a lot of praise from all manner of national outlets in the last few years. I don't mean this as a defense of Cherington in any respect. I think he should be fired, I'd just be shocked if it happens before August/September or the offseason.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Cherington will be next (either late in the year or directly after it ends) barring some sort of miraculous turn around under Kelly and it needs to happen as Cherington has had more than enough time to show he can win on a shoestring budget....and failed miserably.

The hard reality is that getting rid of Cherington and his staff doesn't address the actual problems with the franchise and MLB on the whole. But most know that and know that nothing substantial (like a cap) will happen, even if the fans/players lose an entire season. MLB and the big markets will just be penalized more in the direction of owners like Bob. That's best case scenario, IMO.

Nutting is responsible for hiring the right people to operate a baseball org. with no real cash to spend. Is Travis Williams still pulling the political strings these days?