OT: Pirates Talk: Lets Play Ball

[Fogel]

That contract is eww. 1B/DH and very inconsistent to boot. I can't imagine that it is worth it even 5 years in.

 

[TimmyD]

This contract is why the pirates will never win

A no deferral, full NTC contract paying a guy $35mil a year until he is 40 is insane

So deferring money is bad and unfair… but not deferring money is… also bad and unfair? I’m not trying to be snarky but is that what you are saying here or am I just totally missing the point you are trying to make?

 

[pistolpete11]

Wait, what? Is that really true? No multi-year FA signings since 2016? They're obviously cheap and no FA wants to sign here, but that is insane if true.

 

[MrBrightside]

Wait, what? Is that really true? No multi-year FA signings since 2016? They're obviously cheap and no FA wants to sign here, but that is insane if true.

Yea, that is accurate.

 

[BusinessGoose]

So deferring money is bad and unfair… but not deferring money is… also bad and unfair? I’m not trying to be snarky but is that what you are saying here or am I just totally missing the point you are trying to make?

The deferring is mostly a footnote, it's pretty much the same when it all shakes out..

But, As long as teams are willing to give dudes who, let's be real, are very one dimensional $35mil a year for, essentially, life... The pirates will not compete.

That's not a fiscal position this team will even THINK of entertaining. I mean, i don't want Vlad from age 35 on, at all... But who would sign with us for less than any other city?

 

[TimmyD]

The deferring is mostly a footnote, it's pretty much the same when it all shakes out..

But, As long as teams are willing to give dudes who, let's be real, are very one dimensional $35mil a year for, essentially, life... The pirates will not compete.

That's not a fiscal position this team will even THINK of entertaining. I mean, i don't want Vlad from age 35 on, at all... But who would sign with us for less than any other city?

But they could entertain that though. If they really wanted to. They could absolutely entertain that. I’m not saying they should be paying a guy like Vlad Jr like that. But they could definitely pay a young star $35 million a year if they wanted to

 

[BusinessGoose]

The reality is we know we need to double our salary. There's no internal or external pressure to do so... So defacto, we can not compete at these contract levels.

Then you have the issue of where we are. Vlad got PAID not he's a Torontonian through and through. They didn't pry him out of a nice LA deal.

We could have offered Soto a BILLION and he would have turned us down.

 

[cookthebooks]

see quinn priester got flipped to the brewers. keith law in the trade review refers to his fastball as a bp pitch, oof

 

[Booker T]

There we go!

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[WickedWrister]

TLDR; Hullihen thinks that $2.2m loss figure reported by DK is miscalculated (using CBT payroll figures and not LRD) and they potentially turned a $19m profit

 

[DJ Spinoza]

Pretty decent showing from Mlod tonight. 5 and dive will work ok as the turn before Skenes' day, and in general I am willing to give a little more run on the experiment to have him start given vague memories I have of being frustrated when we attempted it with Ortiz after having him go to the bullpen, and also just in general trusting Marin and the pitching coaches. I'm less enthused about Harrington coming in now as some kind of piggyback or long reliever, but it's probably good for him to try and get MLB outs somehow.

Otherwise, this game is an interesting little microcosm. So far it's gone well: how I looked at it coming into the night was that, independently from any longer-term concerns or hope etc., it was an opportunity to get a decent leg up on the Cardinals. They got thumped yesterday and their pitching staff is already pretty thin and was taxed headed into tonight. If we could get enough offense, then we could take game 1 and have Skenes tomorrow, obviously a big advantage.

The offense has hit Liberatore well, though he's still been efficient. He probably is gonna go as long as possible tonight so that they can get a reset for some of their relievers. If we take the win, that's not the worst trade in the world, since you have to just go into tomorrow and any Skenes start thinking that we should win it. The Cards have Sonny Gray going, but their pitching staff is all very hittable, including him.

Now, we'll see. 4 innings and a 3-run lead is by no means automatic for this bullpen. Harrington has gotten 2 outs while I was yammering away, and maybe he can just completely finish this one out.... and now it's 4-2. Any kind of modest lead like this still feels like it's on a knife's edge.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

TLDR; Hullihen thinks that $2.2m loss figure reported by DK is miscalculated (using CBT payroll figures and not LRD) and they potentially turned a $19m profit

It looks terrible either way, imo.

 

[BusinessGoose]

TLDR; Hullihen thinks that $2.2m loss figure reported by DK is miscalculated (using CBT payroll figures and not LRD) and they potentially turned a $19m profit

Didn't read.... But that Sounds more accurate.

Pretty decent showing from Mlod tonight. 5 and dive will work ok as the turn before Skenes' day, and in general I am willing to give a little more run on the experiment to have him start given vague memories I have of being frustrated when we attempted it with Ortiz after having him go to the bullpen, and also just in general trusting Marin and the pitching coaches. I'm less enthused about Harrington coming in now as some kind of piggyback or long reliever, but it's probably good for him to try and get MLB outs somehow.

Otherwise, this game is an interesting little microcosm. So far it's gone well: how I looked at it coming into the night was that, independently from any longer-term concerns or hope etc., it was an opportunity to get a decent leg up on the Cardinals. They got thumped yesterday and their pitching staff is already pretty thin and was taxed headed into tonight. If we could get enough offense, then we could take game 1 and have Skenes tomorrow, obviously a big advantage.

The offense has hit Liberatore well, though he's still been efficient. He probably is gonna go as long as possible tonight so that they can get a reset for some of their relievers. If we take the win, that's not the worst trade in the world, since you have to just go into tomorrow and any Skenes start thinking that we should win it. The Cards have Sonny Gray going, but their pitching staff is all very hittable, including him.

Now, we'll see. 4 innings and a 3-run lead is by no means automatic for this bullpen. Harrington has gotten 2 outs while I was yammering away, and maybe he can just completely finish this one out.... and now it's 4-2. Any kind of modest lead like this still feels like it's on a knife's edge.

That was amazing. Great we only used two pitchers. Finally like, a professional looking game from our side lol.

If we are going to stumble into a win, best to do it against division rivals lol