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OT: Pirates Talk: Lets Play Ball

Cutch deserves some credit. As someone who gets annoyed as him being DH most games...

He's like the only guy who wants to play for this team, and his old ass creaky knees just got a catch to end a screwed up inning

And he's like our best bat lol

What a team lol

Sidenote... Canario sucks
 
Nutting makes a shitload to keep the team exactly where it is. It's not rocket science folks. Seriously, look up MLB revenue sharing and see how much money is being literally given to Nutting and other small market clubs.

There is absolutely no incentive to improve when you're making 10 figures per year in profit, while spending the absolute bear f***ing minimum across all aspects of the franchise. MLB doesn't give a shit because Pittsburgh isn't a bankable market. And in half a decade, they'll be finalizing a deal to move the team to somewhere that is. I'd bet my retirement on it.
 
No chance the other owners let the Pirates move. Baseball has existed in Pittsburgh since the mid 1800s and the Pirates have existed since like 1880. Zero chance they'd let approve a sale to someone that would move the team.

The Pirates moving would be like the Reds moving. The MLB simply will not allow it to happen.
 
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You guys are not considering that the bottom line speaks the loudest. If another market brings more money and more fans, they'll absolutely consider it.

Nostalgia just isn't as important as it used to be.
 
ImporterExporter said:
You guys are not considering that the bottom line speaks the loudest. If another market brings more money and more fans, they'll absolutely consider it.

Nostalgia just isn't as important as it used to be.
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Pittsburgh is a bigger market than Cincinnati is, and zero people are thinking the Reds are at risk of moving.

The only relocations in the MLB in the last 50 years are Montreal going to Washington and Oakland going to Vegas. Neither of those teams had the history of the Pirates and both were leaving worse markets (for baseball at least) than Pittsburgh.
 
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Considering the issues the Athletics and Rays are having with moving... I dont fear it

The team is bad and yeah there's no incentive from the owner to do anything else

It is what it is. MLB needed a salary cap twenty years ago. Everyone is fine with this. Dunno when we'll ever be winners again.
 
ImporterExporter said:
Nutting makes a shitload to keep the team exactly where it is. It's not rocket science folks. Seriously, look up MLB revenue sharing and see how much money is being literally given to Nutting and other small market clubs.

There is absolutely no incentive to improve when you're making 10 figures per year in profit, while spending the absolute bear f***ing minimum across all aspects of the franchise. MLB doesn't give a shit because Pittsburgh isn't a bankable market. And in half a decade, they'll be finalizing a deal to move the team to somewhere that is. I'd bet my retirement on it.
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Literally a report less than a month old that theyve lost money the last 5 years.
 
Pittsburgh's roots with the game go back too far for MLB to approve a move, I legitimately believe that. Maybe if there's a decade-long saga where no owner can be found...again...then maybe it'd be considered, but in this market? With this nice of a stadium? We're sooner to get 32 teams than see a team from the 19th century move. I fully expect 32 teams to happen within a decade because that's how the pyramid scheme that sports team ownership is works. Moving the Pirates wouldn't be nearly as profitable as an expansion team would be, and we have a good stadium. We're safe. For now, at least.

If the A's played in a quasi-tolerable park I don't think this charade would have been allowed to happen. I've been to the Coliseum and it's every bit as bad as advertised, if not worse...and that was a decade ago. It was like Pitt Stadium at the end; just piss stains and exposed rebar. I hate that the A's were allowed to move, but moving is in that franchise's DNA...and that stadium was completely unacceptable. Do I think it's better than a minor league stadium? f*** yeah, this Sacramento shit is shameful and Fisher should have been pressured to sell locally. Still...big difference between a franchise that's moved multiple times without a proper home and a franchise that's been in the same market since the Cleveland administration in a great stadium.

You also have to look at who is looking for a team. MLB isn't going to sacrifice the Pirates to expand to f***ing Portland. If Houston or Atlanta needed a team, we may well be f***ed...but if the next in line are the likes of Portland, Nashville, & Indianapolis...we're safe. Just force the sale to a local owner...lord knows the structure exists to be profitable. Especially when a good stadium exists.

The ravages of age will eventually hit PNC Park, it's already lost some luster...but none of the issues are structural. The A's were flooded with sewage damn near annually and the coliseum is literally falling apart. It's older than Three Rivers was, had a worse design, and hadn't been effectively maintained for decades. Consistent maintenance is all that's necessary to make PNC Park last 2-4 times as long as its predecessor. It was well-built and amazingly designed. MLB has always struggled to have enough stadiums built in its niche configuration and we have that. Had this stadium never been built then we'd have no hope of keeping this team, but that feels unfair to say a quarter century after the fact.

If someone tries to buy this team and gets rebuffed...that's a potential expansion franchise that'd cost multitudes more than the Pirates or PNC Park ever did. Again, cities don't just hand out stadiums this way anymore and PNC Park was built at what is an absurd discount by modern standards. What AAA team is playing in a ML-quality stadium? None.

So, uh, Nutting...you aren't a savior. You are useless. You are worse than useless. f*** off and die. Say what you will about McClatchey, but he didn't have money and he got the stadium built. You've just made us suffer.
 
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Literally a report less than a month old that theyve lost money the last 5 years.
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"A report."

It truly is amazing that people exist who are too stupid to read between the lines and understand simple economics of subsidized entities and not buy into PR nonsense put forth by the lackies who support MLB/Nutting's way of doing business. You have a right to that opinion or thought, but I'll be damned if I entertain it as fact when I absolutely know it's nonsense. Take away the revenue sharing and I'll stand on that hill with you, but there is a reason why LA and NY send truckloads of cash to a team like Pittsburgh.

Do I truly want the team to move? Of course not. That's an emotional response to the shitshow we endure 98% of the time under the current scheme.

But then I turn on the TV, the internet, etc, and see tens of thousands of mouth breathing drones who frequent message boards and fly banners over the stadium and city, spending hundreds upon hundreds of dollars (on a single game) to watch a team they bitch about on a daily basis, the glaring example of pure hypocrisy.

MLB and Nutting are laughing their asses off at the stupidity of the average person.

How f***ing stupid must a person be to pay $300 to go to PNC, and then chant "sell the team" and accost Nutting as he smiles, walking through a crowd of people who probably shouldn't be legally allowed to procreate, but already have.

The only way this team remains in Pittsburgh is if Nutting sells. And if he does, it'll be a PR stunt to fool the fans into thinking a new owner will run the team any differently. We've already been through that with Mark Cuban's rhetoric.
 
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