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Confirmed with Link: Pionk extension 6 years 7 AAV
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I really hope Pionk puts up career numbers next year so people can stfu about the myth that he only performs for contracts.
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Mud Turtle
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I think Samberg is the better of the two right now and will be the much better of the two in 5 years.
I hope we pay Samberg.
I hope we pay Samberg.
Our defense is way better with both Samberg and Pionk in it.
Historically that hasn’t resulted in the big dollar contracts. Defensemen usually also have to bring offense to get the big contracts.
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100% I just look at what slavin just signed and think that is where samberg is going to come in around
The whole discussion started when I said Pionk hasn't been great without Samberg and the question was maybe it was the partners they played with. When you add them all up, it is a pretty big sample of bad Pionk, and when you break it all down into the individual partner samples it continues to hold true.
Agreed. Samberg is the defensive anchor on that second pair. Pionk will get his points and paid bc of the PP role, but Samberg has really elevated that pair to arguably the best Jets best second pair since 17-18. Look at Pionk's yearly defensive rating among dmen the last three years(via jfresh) for the Samberg effect. Even this year when Samberg was hurt that pair was
. I think Samberg deserves way more love and appreciation on here than what he gets and how often it seems like posters try to discredit him.Anyway I think this deal is ok. Think it was expected and the Jets had ample room and like Pionk so it is what it is. Like you said, as long as he's paired with samberg it should be fine, and not his usual Pionk inconsistency.
But wondering what this means for Salo? I was told by galaxy brained HF posters last summer that Salo was going to a significant piece this past year? Once again, hf prospect analysts are way off base. Now they have the top 4 locked up for multiple years. He's probably an injury call up next year with 4 RHD signed ( demelo, Pionk, Miller, Schenn) and maybe an NHL 3rd pair d in 2 years.
I don't think anyone is saying that. The salient point is that he's been almost exclusively good when paired with Samberg, but if they continue to play together, he should continue to be good.
Back at the start of the season when he was over a point per game I seem to recall a lot of talk about him turning it on in a contract year (and how he was going to price himself off the Jets), but he's put together a solid all-around season and basically signed for what he's currently making (cap-inflation adjusted).
Channelcat
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So you're saying 6Mx7 (basically Slavin numbers) is a good deal for Samberg. You're only proving my point. Again, I'm a huge Samberg fan, but he isn't nearly as good as Slavin. Certainly not yet. This reminds of the Laine overhype after he'd go on a heater and everyone was screaming 8x11m.
As good as Slavvin, not yet for sure. But with cap going up, him coming in close to but not above Slaavin.
Top 5 suppressor in the NHL? Possibly, he did it this year with Pionk and he just turned 26.
These types are systematically underpaid, they are worth their weight in gold because of it to contenders.
Yeah I'm not the biggest Pionk fan in the world, but how can anyone be upset about this? There aren't any RHD racing to come here in free agency, and Pionk is definitely still a serviceable if not slightly above average 2nd pairing RHD. At worst, he falls off a bit over the next few seasons into more of a #4 and maybe after that the last few years of his contract he spends on the third pair while the Jets begin the rebuild... none of which is a bad thing. This is a solid deal at market value for a guy in role that every team needs. Is he a top 10 or even top 20 RH D in the game? Probably not, but he's more than serviceable if you don't have any of the elite RDs and need to slot a guy into your top 4.
It's either bridge or we pony up now. Hard to say what a long term Samberg contract look like.
Channelcat
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I agree, he's a beaut.....but I'm looking at Demelo coming off similar numbers (better numbers) just last year and signing for 4.9. Plus, you're getting 1 RFA year with Samberg.
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Yeah, I don't expect him to get paid on the same level as Makar's or Hughes' next contracts. With next year's cap what do you think those guys would get if they were signing this year?
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I would want him for as many years as possible, so 8 not 7. I highly doubt he will sign for 6 mil unless it is short term. There are a lot of factors that go into pegging a player's contract value. I'm not going to debate all of the similarities and differences between Sammy and Slavin.
For me, the Pionk signing comes down to one thing, and one thing only:
If Pionk goes, the Jets will desperately need a RHD. Can they replace him with a RHD of equal-or-better quality, for equal-or-less money?
If the answer to either of those questions is "no", then it's a no-brainer - they have to sign him.
I think the answer to both of those questions is "no". Therefore, the Jets did the right thing. It really is exactly that simple.
If Pionk goes, the Jets will desperately need a RHD. Can they replace him with a RHD of equal-or-better quality, for equal-or-less money?
If the answer to either of those questions is "no", then it's a no-brainer - they have to sign him.
I think the answer to both of those questions is "no". Therefore, the Jets did the right thing. It really is exactly that simple.
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