Speculation: Pierre McGuire thinks Shattenkirk is headed to the Bruins - but was wrong

[GloryDaze4877]

Pierre Mcquire apparently.

I don't want to derail the thread, but Chara is one of a kind. The only player that might comes close is Pronger, but not really. We won't see another Chara until our sport reaches more shores.
That my friend is generational.

You are correct, this is a topic for another thread...where we can talk about why Chara isn't generational.

 

[pkunit]

You are correct, this is a topic for another thread...where we can talk about why Chara isn't generational.

Excellent deflection! Top corner

 

[DKH]

If Sweeney has any brains he will allow Vatrano, Bjork, Cehlarik, DeBrusk, Heinen and whatever other prospects perform well in camp compete for the two open spots in the top 9

Is he building an organization that draft and develops or getting 35 year old plus has-beens that Adam Jones, Glen Ordway and casual fans will recognize

 

[CharaBadSenyshynGawd]

There's no sense in giving prospects time if they flat out can't play. Some Bruins fans wanted Jared Knight in the opening day lineup 3 years in a row. Same with Koko and to a lesser extent guys like Florek, Macdermid etc.

Prospects are meant to play their way INTO the lineup. Not hand it to them and hope a flip switches and they become good NHLers.

 

[BruinDust]

There's no sense in giving prospects time if they flat out can't play. Some Bruins fans wanted Jared Knight in the opening day lineup 3 years in a row. Same with Koko and to a lesser extent guys like Florek, Macdermid etc.

Prospects are meant to play their way INTO the lineup. Not hand it to them and hope a flip switches and they become good NHLers.

True, but you can't pencil in established veterans into every line-up spot and leave no room for a young prospect to earn a job out of camp. Not in a cap system.

So Sweeney, who knows these guys better than us, has not one, not two, but by my count 11 forward prospects under 25 years old on two-way deals who will come to camp and battle it out for as it stands right now at least 3 spots, with possibly more as guys like Schaller could certainly find themselves beaten out by a younger guy in October.

So by Sept. it could be 4 spots (we'll see what happens with Spooner), or it could be 2 spots if Sweeney adds a forward this summer.

But hedging his bet that two or three of these 11 young forwards will be ready next year is a reasonably safe bet. And if not, perhaps they will be ready by next March/April, which really is all we should be worried about, I really don't care what the team looks like on July 1st or October 1st.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

There's no sense in giving prospects time if they flat out can't play. Some Bruins fans wanted Jared Knight in the opening day lineup 3 years in a row. Same with Koko and to a lesser extent guys like Florek, Macdermid etc.

Prospects are meant to play their way INTO the lineup. Not hand it to them and hope a flip switches and they become good NHLers.

Who said anything about handing them spots? And who said they can't play?

People love to talk **** like this, but conveniently forget the times when younger players like Sobotka should have been in the lineup over has beens like Yelle. It's a fine line and works both ways.

Love all the Knight talk, because nobody hear has ever been wrong about a prospect except for him?



I thought he was going to be a player, was wrong.

It happens.

I will put my hockey knowledge and acumen up against yours if you like.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Who said anything about handing them spots? And who said they can't play?

People love to talk **** like this, but conveniently forget the times when younger players like Sobotka should have been in the lineup over has beens like Yelle. It's a fine line and works both ways.

Love all the Knight talk, because nobody hear has ever been wrong about a prospect except for him?



I thought he was going to be a player, was wrong.

It happens.

I will put my hockey knowledge and acumen up against yours if you like.

I'm sure you know more about hockey than me so I'm not trying to start anything, but I seriously never got why people were so high on Knight. Sure he produced in juniors but he wasn't great in Providence, couldn't score over 5 goals in a season and was sent to the ECHL. And yes I did watch him play live a couple times, I know he had speed but I didn't see much else.

Agree on Sobotka, but since we won a cup after he was traded I can't be too bitter, it ended up working out.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I'm sure you know more about hockey than me so I'm not trying to start anything, but I seriously never got why people were so high on Knight. Sure he produced in juniors but he wasn't great in Providence, couldn't score over 5 goals in a season and was sent to the ECHL. And yes I did watch him play live a couple times, I know he had speed but I didn't see much else.

Agree on Sobotka, but since we won a cup after he was traded I can't be too bitter, it ended up working out.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was high on Knight because after he was diagnosed with diabetes in junior and began receiving treatment, he absolutely tore it up and I thought he would continue in the pros. Also, met him and his family and he has an incredible work ethic. He got a little unlucky, could not stay healthy and that was all she wrote.

My post isn't so much about my hockey chops as it is the fact that everyone makes mistakes projecting prospects. I have done it many times and will be wrong about kids in the future for sure. The difference is that some of us are willing to admit our mistakes, while others just like to use it to poke at people.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was high on Knight because after he was diagnosed with diabetes in junior and began receiving treatment, he absolutely tore it up and I thought he would continue in the pros. Also, met him and his family and he has an incredible work ethic. He got a little unlucky, could not stay healthy and that was all she wrote.

My post isn't so much about my hockey chops as it is the fact that everyone makes mistakes projecting prospects. I have done it many times and will be wrong about kids in the future for sure. The difference is that some of us are willing to admit our mistakes, while others just like to use it to poke at people.

I would never use it against anyone unprovoked, but part of me was curious as to why people held him in such high regard. If there was a person that got it right 100% on prospects they would be a wealthy scout.

Didn't know he had diabetes, that's too bad. I think he was sent to the ECHL due to injuries too? I think it's kinda funny and random Knight has been popping up lately, it's definitely not something I take seriously. I was equally high on Spooner and he hasn't panned out the way I hoped. That's why unless they're 1st rounders I just go by what people on here that know more then me say and wait and see.

 

[DKH]

There's no sense in giving prospects time if they flat out can't play. Some Bruins fans wanted Jared Knight in the opening day lineup 3 years in a row. Same with Koko and to a lesser extent guys like Florek, Macdermid etc.

Prospects are meant to play their way INTO the lineup. Not hand it to them and hope a flip switches and they become good NHLers.

You have a good memory....long time lurker just deciding to join in June 2017 are we

anyways, love it when a guy walks into a gym shower with a big towel rapped around his waist pointing out how small everyone else's junk is.

I love a good fight but I couldn't actually find anything on you to bring up since you are such a new member.

So please expound your moves, what prospects will make it, wont?

Evaluating and making observations on prospects or players in sports is all subjective- this isn't science, mathematics, or physics where you get the same result every time or the Law of Principles where 'water seeks its own level'.

We have our Knights, Khokhlachevs, Floreks, McDermids and all the others you allude to but there are also the Leachs, Secords, Courtnalls, and Marchands that are proven correct

also, how does a prospect actually play there way onto a lineup

Marchand 20 games with 0 goals 1 assist

Krejci 33 games 0 goals

my view is they played until a switch went on

 

[DKH]

You hush your mouth! Bourque was definitely a generational player!!

Bourque was a generational player

Orr was a historical player

Chara is a HOF player who was one of the games great defenders and an underrated offensive game

Orr has no peer

Bourque if he started in Montreal would be the equivalent of Jean Belliveau

Chara might make a top 20 all time- certainly in the colorization era

 

[kutskova]

Bourque was a generational player

Orr was a historical player

Chara is a HOF player who was one of the games great defenders and an underrated offensive game

Orr has no peer

Bourque if he started in Montreal would be the equivalent of Jean Belliveau

Chara might make a top 20 all time- certainly in the colorization era

Wait, that's not fair you made a new category "historical" I thought generational was the top. If that's the case then yes bourque is a generational talent.

 

[DKH]

Wait, that's not fair you made a new category "historical" I thought generational was the top. If that's the case then yes bourque is a generational talent.

Roger Daltry and Pete Townsend sung about My Generation and I figure they were talking about a specific time in England

Orr covers all generations not one era or timd period

Bourque would be The Who, while Orr the Beatles. Gretzky the Andrews Sisters

Belliveau Messier Bourque Richard Hull even Lemieux will have there place but its two guys and maybe 3 (Howe) that will survive time like Babe Ruth has

The Mount Rushmore's hockey version is Orr Gretzky Howe and once Bergeron gets that 5th Selke

 

[ORR2Sanderson2ORR]

Roger Daltry and Pete Townsend sung about My Generation and I figure they were talking about a specific time in England

Orr covers all generations not one era or timd period

Bourque would be The Who, while Orr the Beatles. Gretzky the Andrews Sisters

Belliveau Messier Bourque Richard Hill even Lemieux will have there place but its two guys and maybe 3 (Howe) that will survive time like Babe Ruth has

Demigod I say Demigod!!!

 

[shelbysdad]

You have a good memory....long time lurker just deciding to join in June 2017 are we

anyways, love it when a guy walks into a gym shower with a big towel rapped around his waist pointing out how small everyone else's junk is.

I love a good fight but I couldn't actually find anything on you to bring up since you are such a new member.

So please expound your moves, what prospects will make it, wont?

Evaluating and making observations on prospects or players in sports is all subjective- this isn't science, mathematics, or physics where you get the same result every time or the Law of Principles where 'water seeks its own level'.

We have our Knights, Khokhlachevs, Floreks, McDermids and all the others you allude to but there are also the Leachs, Secords, Courtnalls, and Marchands that are proven correct

also, how does a prospect actually play there way onto a lineup

Marchand 20 games with 0 goals 1 assist

Krejci 33 games 0 goals

my view is they played until a switch went on

I have used the switch went on analogy before....Thought it happened (hopefully) with Acciari at the end of the year....just wondering how long in your opinion how long does it take to translate to the NHL and for most young players to have it come on....

I'm guessing forwards usually need 25-50 games, D men maybe longer to come up to the speed and quick decision making needed to jump to the next level....

 

[KrejciMVP]

All I want to do is win the cup and beat up every team along the way. Can we get back to that someday?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I would never use it against anyone unprovoked, but part of me was curious as to why people held him in such high regard. If there was a person that got it right 100% on prospects they would be a wealthy scout.

Didn't know he had diabetes, that's too bad. I think he was sent to the ECHL due to injuries too? I think it's kinda funny and random Knight has been popping up lately, it's definitely not something I take seriously. I was equally high on Spooner and he hasn't panned out the way I hoped. That's why unless they're 1st rounders I just go by what people on here that know more then me say and wait and see.

I don't think it's funny and random at all when Knight comes up. It's typically after DKH posts and someone wants to get him riled. I was his #2 supporter and Dan his #1. The difference is that I'm a little more laid back and just laugh at most of the Knight stuff.

 

[DKH]

All I want to do is win the cup and beat up every team along the way. Can we get back to that someday?

Yes

2020

Take a long vacation and come back mid April 2020

 

[ODAAT]

All I want to do is win the cup and beat up every team along the way. Can we get back to that someday?

ya make it sound like it`s been another 30 year drought. I want the same thing too however, I have a tendency to be a touch more patient than many

 

[GloryDaze4877]

All I want to do is win the cup and beat up every team along the way. Can we get back to that someday?

Why don't you take a long break and I will shoot you a text when they start winning again?...

 

[ODAAT]

Why don't you take a long break and I will shoot you a text when they start winning again?...

Classic

 

[SPLBRUIN]

According to good old Eklund the Bruins are still very much in the running for Shattenkirk.

 

[Iceage]

For what it’s worth, Mike Commodore just tweeted that Shattenkirk is leaning strongly towards the Bruins.

 

[KrejciMVP]

For what it’s worth, Mike Commidore just tweeted that Shattenkirk is leaning strongly towards the Bruins.

Excellent

 

[Gee Wally]

If it happens Im really curious as to how they expect to psy him. Somebody or a couple of somebodys gotta go.