Phoenix LXXXIX: If you don't approve it, we must move it!

[MaskedSonja]

@brahmresnik
#Glendale staffer says finished RSE proposal review at 2 am today. Putting counter proposal to RSE online by 5 pm

Counter proposal? So what they are voting on Tuesday may not be accepted by RSE?

Counter Proposal? Assuming this is legit and more than a couple tweaks, might shed new light on the vote Tuesday-particularly if they take the tone to RSE: Accept the deal with tweaks and we can come to an agreement. Possibly might explain partially how there could be a couple of "yes" votes, if indeed they are basing it on a counter offer acceptance. CF's detective work also a wonderous part of the puzzle

Odd, though considering the RSE deal was their "final offer"-CoG have the chutzpah to put out a counter proposal for a final offer?

An interesting gambit.

 

[Killion]

6 in favor can you explain that why such a low number.

When Gary Bettman assumed office in the early 90's, he began creating a number of By-Laws that he formulated to essentially end run the NHL's Constitution in consolidating & centralizing power. Some of the By-Laws were created to provide cover against possible accusations of anti-trust, others crafted to require minimum numbers on votes of far less than the majority in forming policy, in approving various mechanizations including ownership approval procedures.

 

[yotesreign]

Everyone needs an out clause.

 

[gstommylee]

okay Time out so what is going to be voted on tuesday is not what they are proposing to the RSE now?

 

[ahplk]

Counter Proposal? Assuming this is legit and more than a couple tweaks, might shed new light on the vote Tuesday-particularly if they take the tone to RSE: Accept the deal with tweaks and we can come to an agreement.


Odd, though considering the RSE deal was their "final offer"-CoG have the chutzpah to put out a counter proposal for a final offer?

An interesting gambit.

This way CoG shifts most of the blame on RSE...

 

[yotesreign]

Counter Proposal? Assuming this is legit and more than a couple tweaks, might shed new light on the vote Tuesday-particularly if they take the tone to RSE: Accept the deal with tweaks and we can come to an agreement.


Odd, though considering the RSE deal was their "final offer"-CoG have the chutzpah to put out a counter proposal for a final offer?

An interesting gambit.

CoG now shall stand from now on for "Chutzpah of Glendale"!

I love it!

 

[GordonGraham]

Ahhhhh....

This wraps it all into a nice neat little bow.

So we all knew Knaack and Sherwood were in the same 'yes' camp. And no surprise here, they have common contributors. That's 2 'yes' votes locked up

Manny Martinez has always been a 'yes' man. You can count on his 'yes' - so that's 3 votes now for 'yes'.

Thanks to your sleuth skills, we find that a contributor to Sammy Chavira is none other than the attorney working for RSE - that's four votes

Check and check-mate

Norma and the mayor will be the only 2 no votes

 

[MaskedSonja]

CoG now shall stand from now on for "Chutzpah of Glendale"!

I love it!

Going to retcon my statement taking full credit for that statement...... (Nice catch there Yotesreign )

 

[IceAce]

Counter Proposal? Assuming this is legit and more than a couple tweaks, might shed new light on the vote Tuesday-particularly if they take the tone to RSE: Accept the deal with tweaks and we can come to an agreement. Possibly might explain partially how there could be a couple of "yes" votes, if indeed they are basing it on a counter offer acceptance. CF's detective work also a wonderous part of the puzzle

Odd, though considering the RSE deal was their "final offer"-CoG have the chutzpah to put out a counter proposal for a final offer?

An interesting gambit.

There's always another offer...

 

[gstommylee]

There's always another offer...

But the deadline is july 2 though.

 

[yotesreign]

Norma and the mayor will be the only 2 no votes

What I want to see is the so-called COYOTES fans who will come on here and say THEY won't go anymore if they have to pay to park. They will post here - because it doesn't cost more $ to post than just watch.

 

[gstommylee]

okay i am so lost. What's the propose of the counter proposal. Trying to get it to where RSE will not agree to it so they can vote no on it?

 

[MaskedSonja]

What I want to see is the so-called COYOTES fans who will come on here and say THEY won't go anymore if they have to pay to park. They will post here - because it doesn't cost more $ to post than just watch. ;)

Don't give HF Boards any ideas

 

[IceAce]

But the deadline is july 2 though.

My calendar says its still June 28th right now...

 

[gstommylee]

My calendar says its still June 28th right now...

My point was they don't have time to be messing with the deal if they want it voted on the 2nd. If they are making a final offer to RSE and have to get it posted by 5pm today. How would they know if RSE agrees to it or not by the 2nd.

 

[wunderpanda]

talking about 5 year out but ignoring 17.1.1.1 "leave at any time during due diligence"

Coyote fans deserve better than these iceclowns

 

[IceAce]

My point was they don't have time to be messing with the deal if they want it voted on the 2nd. If they are making a final offer to RSE and have to get it posted by 5pm today. How would they know if RSE agrees to it or not by the 2nd.

In the business world this isnt even close to the "last minute." You should know that from the CBA negotiations. Not to mention its not even 2 PM in Glendale right now.

Although I'm not quite sure where talk of a counter-proposal started? They havent mentioned that yet. According to them, COG's out clause was in RSE's latest offer.

 

[yotesreign]

Don't give HF Boards any ideas

You mean like:
"Show how much a fan you really are! Today's special - 10 Posts for a dollar! Today only. That's a 50% savings over our regular price!"

If HF had been collecting $1 for every 10 posts to these Phx threads and forking it over to Jamison he could have paid cash for the team a few months back (slight exaggeration I know).

 

[MaskedSonja]

If I heard right, RSE has given in and allowed the CoG an out clause

That would be very interesting: giving CoG the same ability as RSE to get out of the deal-and could certainly make a yea vote more viable on Tuesday.

 

[Donwood]

In the business world this isnt even close to the "last minute." You should know that from the CBA negotiations. Not to mention its not even 2 PM in Glendale right now.

Although I'm not quite sure where talk of a counter-proposal started? They havent mentioned that yet. According to them, COG's out clause was in RSE's latest offer.

Paul Giblin ‏@PaulGiblinAriz 1m
Both the #Coyotes and #Glendale can opt out if either loses $50 million, city attorney says. Team has not agreed to city opt out clause yet

 

[ahplk]

In the business world this isnt even close to the "last minute." You should know that from the CBA negotiations. Not to mention its not even 2 PM in Glendale right now.

Although I'm not quite sure where talk of a counter-proposal started? They havent mentioned that yet. According to them, COG's out clause was in RSE's latest offer.

@brahmresnik
#Glendale staffer says finished RSE proposal review at 2 am today. Putting counter proposal to RSE online by 5 pm

^ I posted this on the last page.

 

[IceAce]

@brahmresnik
#Glendale staffer says finished RSE proposal review at 2 am today. Putting counter proposal to RSE online by 5 pm

^ I posted this on the last page.

I saw that, but no one has said "counter proposal" in this session thus far.

 

[gstommylee]

question how does the city's opt out clause have an affect on the sale's financing?

 

[MaskedSonja]

Paul Giblin ‏@PaulGiblinAriz 1m
Both the #Coyotes and #Glendale can opt out if either loses $50 million, city attorney says. Team has not agreed to city opt out clause yet

See, the optics to me here say this: that both parties effectively are prepared to keep the Yotes until 50 million in losses happen, which could happen in a short amount of time, pretty much the amount of time (or close enough) that certain cities with arena situations of being built or talked about being built will be built then, at that time the Yotes will go to one and possibly expansion to the other (as well as a 3rd making it 32 teams)

ERGO: They're agreeing to placehold the Yotes for a couple of more years-that's my cynical take on it.

 

[wunderpanda]

RSE owners will lease team area from RSE arena managers 0.o