Phillip Broberg

[bucks_oil]

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

I just rewatched his post-draft interview... I stand corrected. I remember reading his family aren't Flames fans, but the quote was "aren't Flames fans anymore".

But this just INCREASES the depth of the conspiracy theory. OF COURSE Holloway was just biding his time to screw over the Oilers. The ultimate revenge for drafting him.

Unlike Viktor Arvidsson, this thread is not pointless.



Holloway himself said on Hockey Sense with Andy Strickland that he was puzzled the Oilers didn't even offer him a deal last summer. Said that his side wasn't even asking for that much. So I'm not sure what opportunity he missed when he wasn't even offered a contract. I get the whole playing for a championship argument, but either guy could have just as easily been shipped out at the deadline for other players. I think it's smart business to take the deal in front of you rather than holding out hope for what "might" happen in the future. Sounds like Holloway just wanted to get a deal done and the Oilers were dragging their feet for whatever reason.

We've been over all of this on the Oilers board, but the errors were:
1) Oilers ALWAYS wait (try to outwit) their RFA's so that they can use available space as leverage. It's a stupid strategy and it definitely backfired.
2) Jackson took the reins for UFA Frenzy because he had to... it was literally days after game 7.
3) Then he turned his attention to hiring Bowman
4) Then he allowed Bowman to handle Draisaitl and RFAs and because Edmonton was planning all along to overplay their hand (as in #1 above), Bowman made the decision to prioritize Draisaitl's deal first.
5) Kane also factors in here a bit... but less so because the plan all along was to try and maintain cap space BELOW Kane's LTIR so that they can accrue $$$.

People forget that Oilers tactics were to sign both to bridge deals that would still be active next year when Draisaitl (and Bouchard's) new deals kick in, so they did have to be somewhat cautious to avoid errors next year.

Again... it was a huge mistake to do #1 above and a tactical error to prioritize Drai above all else... you can multitask.

My point all along though is that once they messed up, the best course of action from that point was to bank cap space for the deadline. Hopefully that ends up being effectively used.

 

[Reality Czech]

I just rewatched his post-draft interview... I stand corrected. I remember reading his family aren't Flames fans, but the quote was "aren't Flames fans anymore".

But this just INCREASES the depth of the conspiracy theory. OF COURSE Holloway was just biding his time to screw over the Oilers. The ultimate revenge for drafting him.


We've been over all of this on the Oilers board, but the errors were:
1) Oilers ALWAYS wait (try to outwit) their RFA's so that they can use available space as leverage. It's a stupid strategy and it definitely backfired.
2) Jackson took the reins for UFA Frenzy because he had to... it was literally days after game 7.
3) Then he turned his attention to hiring Bowman
4) Then he allowed Bowman to handle Draisaitl and RFAs and because Edmonton was planning all along to overplay their hand (as in #1 above), Bowman made the decision to prioritize Draisaitl's deal first.
5) Kane also factors in here a bit... but less so because the plan all along was to try and maintain cap space BELOW Kane's LTIR so that they can accrue $$$.

People forget that Oilers tactics were to sign both to bridge deals that would still be active next year when Draisaitl (and Bouchard's) new deals kick in, so they did have to be somewhat cautious to avoid errors next year.

Again... it was a huge mistake to do #1 above and a tactical error to prioritize Drai above all else... you can multitask.

My point all along though is that once they messed up, the best course of action from that point was to bank cap space for the deadline. Hopefully that ends up being effectively used.

That all makes sense, plus I'm sure the regime change compounded the problem. Maybe Bowman didn't fully realize the situation or he had other priorities to attend to first. Lots of moving parts as you pointed out.

 

[bucks_oil]

That all makes sense, plus I'm sure the regime change compounded the problem. Maybe Bowman didn't fully realize the situation or he had other priorities to attend to first. Lots of moving parts as you pointed out.

I mean Bowman had three weeks to at least get an offer in front of Holloway. I hadn't heard that he hadn't even started negotiations until you mentioned it above in this thread... that was dumb... what were the AGM and all the other execs doing? They should have had one tee'd up for him to bless on day 2 of his new job.

Broberg? Meh... Just based on what he signed for and how he behaved during the season (asking for a trade), I don't think there was any chance he would stay. The parties were never going to repair that bridge. The mistakes on Broberg were made over the last two seasons, more than once keeping him (unnaturally) in the AHL due to contract status and cap constraints. From the Oilers perspective, they didn't have much choice/flexibilty, from Broberg's perspective his demotions were not merit-based. You can see that one from both sides for sure. Sucks... has happened to other cap-constrained contenders and will happen to more.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Goal-berg with a blast from the point

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Phillip Norris-berg at it again!!!

 

[johan f]

Lol, Halloway scored as well.

 

[SensontheRush]

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Broberg killing it in his new role. With Thomas out there’s further opportunities for Holloway, least short term. Can’t help but follow them but man seeing this production and knowing this was coming is rough.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I knew Bowman would screw it up worst than Holland. I thought they couldnt hire someone worst than Holland but they did. Only other person that would have been worst would have been Benning.

This wasn’t on Bowman. It was on Holland for walking them into being unsigned RFAs that could sign and offer sheet and it’s on Jeff Jackson too. JJ had ample time once free agency started to address this but made the decision after signing the UFAs to leave the rest for a GM who had yet to be hired. He F’ed that up badly. It’s ridiculous to hang this on the head of the guy who just walked in the door.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

This wasn’t on Bowman. It was on Holland for walking them into being unsigned RFAs that could sign and offer sheet and it’s on Jeff Jackson too. JJ had ample time once free agency started to address this but made the decision after signing the UFAs to leave the rest for a GM who had yet to be hired. He F’ed that up badly. It’s ridiculous to hang this on the head of the guy who just walked in the door.

This is also on the coaching staff constantly scratching, benching or sending back to the AHL players like Broberg for every small mistake they made while some of the veterans can do no wrong in the eyes of Woodcroft and Tippett.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

This is also in the coaching staff constantly scratching, benching or sending back to the AHL players like Broberg for every small mistake they made while some of the veterans can do no wrong in the eyes of Woodcroft and Tippett.

I hated how Broberg was handled. It’s the reason I don’t blame him for moving on. The money aside he got himself an opportunity. Was a no brainer. Just hard seeing him develop into the player we thought he could be. Our management just isn’t handling our young players well. Drafting, developing, deployment. Screwing it up every damn time.

The good side of that is I don’t care if we move picks and prospects for veterans cause we waste our picks selecting with them.

 

[Devonator]

Man oh man....did the Blues ever do well getting this kid and Holloway....yikes.....2 fine young players.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

To make things even worse Ryan McLeod has 4 goals, 5 pts so far and he's the Sabres #2C.

 

[SensontheRush]

This wasn’t on Bowman. It was on Holland for walking them into being unsigned RFAs that could sign and offer sheet and it’s on Jeff Jackson too. JJ had ample time once free agency started to address this but made the decision after signing the UFAs to leave the rest for a GM who had yet to be hired. He F’ed that up badly. It’s ridiculous to hang this on the head of the guy who just walked in the door.

Just because Bowman hadn't signed on yet doesn't mean he wasn't working with Jackson to implement his vision.

I think it would be foolish IMO to assume that Jackson was working on his own, making moves that would constrain the incoming GMs maneuverability.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Oilers screwed up--Broberg did not want to be an oiler and the team should have moved him at the draft--they could have gotten a late first for him at least. But they were so full of themselves they ignored all the warning signs

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Just because Bowman hadn't signed on yet doesn't mean he wasn't working with Jackson to implement his vision.

I think it would be foolish IMO to assume that Jackson was working on his own, making moves that would constrain the incoming GMs maneuverability.

That's literally why Jackson sat on his hands. JJ wanted to leave those deals for the incoming GM. That was clearly the wrong decision. Had he just focused on them and signed them, this all could have been avoided. End of day it's mostly on JJ. He was overseeing the end of the Holland era and all those last moves had his stamp on them, not Hollands. Examples the Brown deal, The Knoblauch hiring, these were JJ moves.

To make things even worse Ryan McLeod has 4 goals, 5 pts so far and he's the Sabres #2C.

He's been productive as their 3C for sure. He's not the 2C in Buffalo.

 

[SensontheRush]

That's literally why Jackson sat on his hands. JJ wanted to leave those deals for the incoming GM. That was clearly the wrong decision. Had he just focused on them and signed them, this all could have been avoided. End of day it's mostly on JJ. He was overseeing the end of the Holland era and all those last moves had his stamp on them, not Hollands. Examples the Brown deal, The Knoblauch hiring, these were JJ moves.

Rumours were abounding that Bowman was the incoming GM leading up to FA, and I was talking in regards to the players signed by Jackson.

Jackson wouldn't be taking up all that cap with free agent signings just to potentially railroad the heir apparent.

 

[jackjohnson]

To make things even worse Ryan McLeod has 4 goals, 5 pts so far and he's the Sabres #2C.

Foilers are gonna Foil got rid of 3 young promising players for 2 washed up hasbeens. Never understood why they got injury prone Arvidsson and a washed up skinner who doesnt even have the what little playoff experience broberg and holloway has. They not only narrowed their window to compete for the cup, they also got worst at the same time

 

[DJJones]

Props to the blues. What a steal

 

[Nogatco Rd]

The fact that multiple teams were lined up to offer sheet Broberg tells you how much of an organizational failure this was by Edmonton

 

[jackjohnson]

Props to the blues. What a steal

I will say it again. I wished Canucks had made an offersheet for Broberg. Only a 2nd round pick for a young stud top 4 dman is very cheap. He would make Canucks easily the favorites for the cup.

 

[The don godfather]

Blues are back in business because Oilers management sucks. Unreal poach job.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Oilers screwed up--Broberg did not want to be an oiler

If he didn't want to be an Oiler he would've asked for far more than he did. Oilers did him dirty.

 

[ExileNZ]

Getting tired of this excuse. Broberg didn't want to be an Oiler because he didn't get a chance to play, while at the same time the Oilers coaches kept icing inferior meat and potato players that couldn't move the puck out of their own zone. Consequently, he asked his agent to see whether a trade would give him playing time.

Finally a new coach came in, decided that plugs like Desharnais etc weren't at Broberg level, gave him minutes and subsequently he asked for a one way deal and 1.8 million per year. Seems reasonable to me. The Oilers wouldn't match and instead kept him waiting. Eventually Armstrong took advantage of the situation, gave him an offer he couldn't refuse and that was the end of his tenure with the oilers. To me this is a failure thats 100% on Oilers management.

He wanted to sign for 1.8 Million and on a one way contract. Oilers felt he was not worth it. Fact.

So lets stop this Broberg didn't want to be an Oiler, he wanted to, they just couldn't agree on his value and more importantly playing time and league. Broberg felt that he belonged in the NHL and that the Oilers played inferior players while he continuously got demoted to the AHL. He felt that it wasn't in his best interest. Based on what we have seen so far this season, few would side with the Oilers here. Broberg is an NHL player and 1.8 million would have been a steal...

 

[Ghetty Green]

To make things even worse Ryan McLeod has 4 goals, 5 pts so far and he's the Sabres #2C.

McLeod is an irrelevant player on an irrelevant team