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I'm glad it was a Caba and not Tait. An 18 year old catcher showing power in A-ball isn't that common and being able to throw-out 30% of runners in the new base-stealer friendly rules isn't bad especially for someone still 'learning' the position as he didn't catch until he was 16 and signed with the Phillies and still only has 68 games at catcher under his belt.
 
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Gregor Samsa said:
So how many teams besides the Dodgers are doing this deferred money thing?
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None, to my knowledge. And if I'm wrong, it's very clearly a fraction of what the Dodgers are doing.

As a player and human, taking deferred money is very stupid. You're sacrificing value from an economic standpoint. Money now is more valuable than money later. This notion isn't opinion.

But what is my opinion is this just a big positive feedback loop. Freeman signs for deferred money to save payroll. This allows them to defer money to Mookie. Then Ohtani gets his enormous contract deferred. Now it's a super team, and oh maybe I should sign there too for deferred money (remember, cheaper on the payroll now) so that I can win now and get paid later. And then this other guy thinks the same....and hey look, Teoscar Hernandez takes 1/3rd of money deferred....etc

The LA Klarnas

(Note: this post does not represent the sentiments of the author. Klarna sucks. Do not do it.)
 
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Corbin Burnes signs with Arizona

Phillies might honestly miss the Playoffs. Almost hope it happens so the axe finally comes down on Dombrowski and we get a GM with some urgency to salvage Harpers prime.

They'll be competing with the Diamondbacks and Cubs for the last Wildcard spot
 
They already named Dave's replacement lol.

They're like 6 million over one of the luxury tax thresholds so they are more likely to cut payroll than add.
 
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They already named Dave's replacement lol.

They're like 6 million over one of the luxury tax thresholds so they are more likely to cut payroll than add.
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Thanks to genius additions like Max f***ing Kepler at $10 million.

Who is Dave's replacement? I must have missed that. Sam Fuld?
 
Flybynite said:
I'm glad it was a Caba and not Tait. An 18 year old catcher showing power in A-ball isn't that common and being able to throw-out 30% of runners in the new base-stealer friendly rules isn't bad especially for someone still 'learning' the position as he didn't catch until he was 16 and signed with the Phillies and still only has 68 games at catcher under his belt.
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Try 17. Unless his documents were falsified, a .760 OPS in A ball (SSS caveat) is pretty exceptional.
Listed at 6'0 175 at 16, but bigger now and should fill out and add even more power.
This isn't Ortiz, who was physical mature at 16 and never developed.

Caba has upside, great bat control and plate discipline, potential to be an elite defensive SS, but strength is an issue and could keep him from being more than a defense first guy. Right now he struggles to hit it out of the IF, but if he develops gap power will be a top notch starting SS.

DancingPanther said:
None, to my knowledge. And if I'm wrong, it's very clearly a fraction of what the Dodgers are doing.

As a player and human, taking deferred money is very stupid. You're sacrificing value from an economic standpoint. Money now is more valuable than money later. This notion isn't opinion.

But what is my opinion is this just a big positive feedback loop. Freeman signs for deferred money to save payroll. This allows them to defer money to Mookie. Then Ohtani gets his enormous contract deferred. Now it's a super team, and oh maybe I should sign there too for deferred money (remember, cheaper on the payroll now) so that I can win now and get paid later. And then this other guy thinks the same....and hey look, Teoscar Hernandez takes 1/3rd of money deferred....etc

The LA Klarnas

(Note: this post does not represent the sentiments of the author. Klarna sucks. Do not do it.)
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Taking deferred money isn't necessarily stupid - you're talking ballplayers, deferred money is guaranteed income that can't be stolen by "advisors" or badly invested.

This is where financial theory and behavioral economics clash, what is optimal if you are a CFA may not be if you're at the mercy of people that you're not trained to vet. Lot's of horror stories of athletes getting ripped off.
 
Took a look at the public HoF ballots for the first time all year. 17.3% of the votes are included. Utley is +2 and Rollins is +5. Obviously Rollins has further to come up (15% vs 29%), but that is wild. Could of course be a sampling issue. Or just a voting process that makes no sense. :laugh:
 
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Took a look at the public HoF ballots for the first time all year. 17.3% of the votes are included. Utley is +2 and Rollins is +5. Obviously Rollins has further to come up (15% vs 29%), but that is wild. Could of course be a sampling issue. Or just a voting process that makes no sense. :laugh:
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If Utley doesn't get in, the Hall has no credence, nor clearwater revival

We're talking about a top 3 seven year peak of all time for the position, including a WS for the oldheads
 
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If Utley doesn't get in, the Hall has no credence, nor clearwater revival

We're talking about a top 3 seven year peak of all time for the position, including a WS for the oldheads
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Honestly looking at his analytics he probably should have won more hardware during that run which would probably go a long way right now with traditionalist voters.

He never won a gold glove during that run for example. He probably should have won an MVP in there at one point too.
 
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LegionOfDoom91 said:
Honestly looking at his analytics he probably should have won more hardware during that run which would probably go a long way right now with traditionalist voters.

He never won a gold glove during that run for example. He probably should have won an MVP in there at one point too.
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It’s this and just how good of a baserunner he was. That’s one of those things that a very specific group fetishizes in the moment and then never thinks about again.

He has a strong argument to be the best defensive 2B of the last 50 years. In a ridiculous twist, Polanco is one of his main competitors there.
 
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It’s this and just how good of a baserunner he was. That’s one of those things that a very specific group fetishizes in the moment and then never thinks about again.

He has a strong argument to be the best defensive 2B of the last 50 years. In a ridiculous twist, Polanco is one of his main competitors there.
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He has the second highest DRS at 2B since 2000. It's him and Mark Ellis (lol), then 3rd place is like 20 runs away. These defensive stats all have nuance, especially the fact that there simply are cutoffs as to when they can be measured or not based on the tech available for the time period. Most are longevity related. I get it.

But if you look at that list (Mark Ellis!!) and consider his offense, it's very reasonable to conclude that he's STILL the best second baseman of the 2000s, and we're a quarter of the way through the century. What are we even doing.

Harold Baines, Jojo
 
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He has the second highest DRS at 2B since 2000. It's him and Mark Ellis (lol), then 3rd place is like 20 runs away. These defensive stats all have nuance, especially the fact that there simply are cutoffs as to when they can be measured or not based on the tech available for the time period. Most are longevity related. I get it.

But if you look at that list (Mark Ellis!!) it's very easy to conclude that he's the best second baseman of the 2000s, and we're a quarter of the way through the century. What are we even doing.

Tim Raines, Jojo
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Yep, Mark Ellis was a tremendous fielder. That’s the other reasonable name. Polanco gets another full season or so if you add in ‘98 and ‘99, which helps him too. They’re all fine choices. But if you attempt to go back even further than that, you have to keep going to a guy who started his career in 1973 to find a comparable. And even that (Frank White) is a no hit part-time SS archetype.

I will never understand the career total toggles. Do we really want to argue that Ichiro doesn’t meet the criteria because he stayed in Japan for example?
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
It’s this and just how good of a baserunner he was. That’s one of those things that a very specific group fetishizes in the moment and then never thinks about again.

He has a strong argument to be the best defensive 2B of the last 50 years. In a ridiculous twist, Polanco is one of his main competitors there.
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He is also a good argument for intangibles.

They don't replace talent or production, but teams tend to play better when they have stars who hate to lose and set an example, demanding the most from their selves before they push their teammates.
 
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